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In Which It Is Explained That The Biggest Latino Organization Dreads Becoming American
'The Corner' in National Review ^ | April 2, 2006 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 04/02/2006 8:07:47 PM PDT by quidnunc

The Richmond Times-Dispatch, in a thoughtful editorial yesterday, called attention to the email sent out by La Raza, the biggest Latino organization in the United States, first mentioned by The Corner last Thursday:

The e-mail refers to congressional legislation that would, among other things, (a) provide grants to immigrants taking English classes, (b) permit those who gain English proficiency to apply for citizenship one year early, and (c) provide grants to groups offering instruction in U.S. civics and American history. These ideas hardly seem provocative; learning English and American civics used to be something immigrants did enthusiastically. The e-mail about the bill, however, warns that "while it doesn't overtly mention assimilation, it is very strong on the patriotism and traditional American values language in a way which is potentially dangerous to our communities."

(More on the memo here.)

It sounds like La Raza has proclaimed itself un-American, don't you think? They don't want their people to assimilate, and they don't seem to like "patriotism" or "traditional American values."

Somebody might mention this to President Bush…

-snip-

Posted at 07:32 PM


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: quidnunc

"provide grants to groups offering instruction in U.S. civics and American history."

And Jay Bennish will probably get a job teaching civics to immigrants.


2 posted on 04/02/2006 8:11:57 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: quidnunc

Interesting. Thanks. Additional links found at the source are informative as well (including image of La Raza memo).


3 posted on 04/02/2006 8:13:59 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: bilhosty

Everyone contact your senators at the link below. It is very, very easy. Tell them NO amnesty, Yes to border enforcement. E-mail them everyday.

www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm



4 posted on 04/02/2006 8:18:19 PM PDT by floridavoter2
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To: quidnunc; All
The Hispanic Challenge (To America) A MUST READ Samuel Huntington (Long But Good)

The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:

"Strangely enough, despite the fact that he was buddies with Henry Kissinger at Harvard, he is registered as a member of the Democratic Party, and has written foreign policy speeches for Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, and Jimmy Carter."

5 posted on 04/02/2006 8:28:21 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Snapping Turtle

You are a psychic!


6 posted on 04/02/2006 8:30:23 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: neverdem

The Mexicans are nothing like previous immigrants. For one, most of them are illegal.

Two, they have no desire to assimilate, to build on our society.


7 posted on 04/02/2006 8:31:54 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Protect American jobs. Don't hire illegals.)
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To: floridavoter2
Interestingly that both LaRaza and those opposed to ANY so called amnesty will both be finished if Congress act to seal the border and comes up with some sort of way for those that have been here and established themselves, to stay.
8 posted on 04/02/2006 8:36:21 PM PDT by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: quidnunc
La Raza has in it's group, members of the Brown Berets, a Bolivarian circle controlled by Hugo Chavez.
9 posted on 04/02/2006 8:41:48 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: quidnunc

Assimilate my ass.

These people have no desire to assimilate.

Anyone who thinks they will assimilate is an ass.


10 posted on 04/02/2006 8:45:56 PM PDT by Mogengator (That government is best which governs least. --Thomas Paine)
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To: VeniVidiVici
As a first generation Hispanic, I am finding it increasingly irritating to be lumped into the group of Hispanics being currently displayed in the mainstream media. My parents came her legally (paying a dear price for it, I might add), and have taught all 7 of thier children to become solid, American citizens. They taught us to love the USA and all the good we stand for, and they did it successfully. The faces of Hispanics that you are currently reading about are the ones who not only broke the law to get here, but are proud of it. Not all Hispanics are like that. A great many came here to get a chance to live the American dream by hard work, solid conservative values, and by not taking said opportunities for granted. However, (and unfortunately) those are not the Hispanics being currently portrayed, and it quite frankly pissing me off. My family and I are very opposed to illegal immigration, especially in light of the severe security risk it poses. We have contacted our elected officials to give ideas on how to quell it. Two of my four brothers have served honorably in the USMC. We are all living the American dream. Because this is a free country, I'm not going to ask you to more carefully craft your words so that you refrain from lumping all Hispanics into the same category. However, I will ask you to learn from someone who is Hispanic and who is not what the media says I am. I love this country. I proudly fly the American flag and know and practice all of the protocols which ensure it is treated respectfully. I pay taxes. I worship freely. I raise my children with good, solid family values. I am an American and proud of it. Mine is the face of many Hispanics who are being ignored during this very important debate.
11 posted on 04/02/2006 8:49:54 PM PDT by rscully (It's not enough to have aim in life...you must be willing to pull the trigger.)
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To: rscully

Oh I agree with you. And you are learing that our MSM will not show anyone like you and your family. Just like they will not show gays who are aganist gay marriage. Policemen who are aganist gun control. You do get the picture. We play aganist a biased media and elite and powerful group.


12 posted on 04/02/2006 8:55:13 PM PDT by therut
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To: quidnunc
Becoming an American is racist, ridicules, simply not done ...but getting to and living in America is worth dieing for.
13 posted on 04/02/2006 9:08:22 PM PDT by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: rscully

I think most of us know people like you and yes we have tended to not differenicate various immigrants when we see these things on tv so thanks for reminding us.


14 posted on 04/02/2006 9:46:25 PM PDT by Edison
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To: rscully

That's why we try to clarify that this is about ILLEGAL immigration.

The folks who are really trying to lump everyone together, legal and illegal alike, in my view are those who also support open borders. However, if you have any suggestions for better wording, I'm all ears.


15 posted on 04/02/2006 9:48:19 PM PDT by bordergal
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To: rscully

I've been saying "NO AMNESTY for ILLEGALS" for a long time... But I'll modify that;

Any family, even those who came in illegally, that has sons or daughters that will enlist in the military (Obviously this takes a waiver), and complete their enlistment contract satisfactorily, gets 'probationary amnesty' upon enlistment; Once the contract is completed, they get full amnesty and 'go to the head of the line' for Citizenship.

And of course for 99% of us, this debate is not about LEGAL immigrants of any kind or 'hispanics', or anything based upon racism.

It is mostly about not wanting people who leave a society / culture because it is incompetent, corrupt and lacks economic opportunity, coming here and trying to replace our successlful culture with the one that they left.


16 posted on 04/02/2006 10:02:02 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: VeniVidiVici

"most of them are illegal". The wagon trains of Americans moving into Mexican California, they weren't illegals?


18 posted on 04/02/2006 10:37:05 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: Rechtsradikal
"You're a freaking genius.

And you are a failure at sarcasm.

Or understanding what the modern military is like.

While there are parallels between what is happening in America, and the Roman empire, you are really stretching to make THAT one significant.

When I said And of course for 99% of us, this debate is not about LEGAL immigrants of any kind or 'hispanics', or anything based upon racism." I meant the Conservatives that are being painted as racists....

Barring further information, from your tone, I'll have to assume that you are one of the 1% that I didn't include in my statement. (Either that or a liberal troll from the DU)

P.S. Welcome to FR... I'm honored to be the target of your first post on Free Republic.

19 posted on 04/02/2006 10:37:42 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

You are partly correct, but it is about more than just that. It is also a question of economics, and how the influx of workers is effecting wage scales and such. Labor cost functions like anything else, by the laws of supply and demand. When the supply of labor exceeds demand, the price of labor declines. When demand approaches or exceeds the level of supply, employers have to compete to get people to come work for them, by offering better wages and benefits. This competition for labor is being stunted by immigration levels, both legal and illegal.

Our economy is cooking, but most Americans do not really feel like it is, and many think we are in a recession. Why? Because the economic boom we are experiencing is making corporations and stockholders happy, but the working class is seeing paychecks which do not increase enough to pay for your gas to work.

Since when is our dependance upon immigration a given? What IS the top end on immigration into this country? What population do we have to get to before we say we do not need MORE people to come here? 500 million? 1 billion? 5 billion? IS there any top population figure? I want immigration FROZEN, and I do not care what race or nationality the immigrants are. The nationality I place first is American, and I pay my government to do the same.


20 posted on 04/02/2006 10:55:08 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: Blake#1

"The wagon trains of Americans moving into Mexican California, they weren't illegals?"

Good point.. and look what allowing illegal immigration got them. We should learn from it and not make the same mistake.


21 posted on 04/02/2006 10:58:29 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: Blake#1
"The wagon trains of Americans moving into Mexican California, they weren't illegals?"

Actually, they weren't 'illegals'. Many were given land grants, because the government of Mexico was encouraging settlement by just about everyone who could do anything productive:

Non- Spanish or Non- Mexican settlers like John Marsh, John Sutter, John Bidwell, and others were awarded large land grants.

Mexico wanted money coming in from their California territory, and they were more than willing to 'give away' land that they thought was pretty much useless to them, and they welcomed settlers with open arms.

Then in 1848 (prior to the 1849 discovery of gold and the ensuing rush of "Americans" to settle in California,) the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ceded California to the United States. So, in general, to call the early 'american' settlers of California is actually not correct.

22 posted on 04/02/2006 11:08:13 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt
Left out a word, sorry:

...to call 'american' settlers of California ILLEGALS is actually not correct.

23 posted on 04/02/2006 11:13:25 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

Just what was the Mexican-American War fought over?


24 posted on 04/02/2006 11:22:28 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: rscully

No, actually, you are not being ignored, you are a part of us already. One of the worst parts of all of this is how people are now looking at legal immigrants and throwing them in with the illegal. The overwhelming numbers of the illegals has made it almost impossible for the legal immigrants to get in. That is what is so fundementally unfair about all of this.


25 posted on 04/02/2006 11:25:18 PM PDT by McGavin999 (The US media is afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder)
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To: quidnunc
Mexico's Laws for Foreigners regarding purchase of land in Mexico

Snip: REAL ESTATE AND TIME-SHARES: U.S. citizens should be aware of the risks inherent in purchasing real estate in Mexico, and should exercise extreme caution before entering into any form of commitment to invest in property there. Investors should hire competent Mexican legal counsel when contemplating any real estate investment.

Mexican laws and practices regarding real estate differ substantially from those in the United States. Foreigners who purchase property in Mexico may find that property disputes with Mexican citizens may not be treated evenhandedly by Mexican criminal justice authorities and in the courts. (Clck here to see: entire text:)

26 posted on 04/02/2006 11:35:28 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: rscully
Growing up, my best friends were second generation Mexicans. They all went to college (which their parents paid for it when they didn't earn scholarships) and the parents basically worked like dogs to get their kids a better life and make sure they were Americans. And none of them grew up militant, socialist or racist (and some of them inter-married). Pretty much the American dream.

It's literally stunning that there are no voices being aired in the media which represent those Americans of Mexican decent who didn't either break the laws or want to see California handed back to Mexico. The media doesn't want to see Arabs who love America or Mexicans who love America. Kind of gets to the problem with the media doesn't it? They can't stand to see people who love America.

27 posted on 04/02/2006 11:46:39 PM PDT by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: Blake#1

Ok, I'm kind of trying to dredge up a memory here that wasn't very precise (by me) in the first place... So, please don't 'bite my head off' if I'm wrong;

But it seems to me that I remember from my pre-revisionist history that the Mexican-American War was fought primarily over Texas and California... But not because "american illegals" invaded them; The LEGAL settlers (by the then Government of Mexico's own definition) in both Texas and California (Hispanic and Non hispanic alike, in a general majority) voted to secede from Mexico's rule; either to become independent states or to become part of the USA.

Most of the Alcaldes, the Dons etc, the local mexican/hispanic elite, as well as the majority of the every day 'gringos' of both areas understood that their best financial futures were with the US, rather than Mexico which was sucking them dry through taxes, etc.

So, Remember the Alamo and all that. (There were a good many 'hispanics' fighting INSIDE the Alamo, and running around WITH Sam Houston, by the way).

When Mexico sent troops north to make sure that California and Texas STAYED under their rule, that coincided with the "Manifest Destiny" policy of the US government and people; So, with the excuse of supporting the freedom of the Californios and Texicans to secede from Mexico; President Polk eventually sent American Troops to aid the 'militias' of California and Texas (and the rest of the Southwest in general).

Sure, greed and the desire of America to expand are part of it, but you have to remember that none of the Southwest was particularly valuable in those days. There were a few places that produced a little wealth here and there but nothing really worth fighting for on strictly economic terms.... (Had they found gold at Sutter's Mill a few years earlier, that might have started the Mexican-American War all by itself, and made Mexico fight more seriously... But it didn't.... And so it was a short war that just wasn't important enough for Mexico to put up more than a token fight....

In 1845 Mexico probably COULD have won if they really, really wanted to expend the necessary resources. Their military was better trained and better equipped than ours, with fewer logistics problems, IMHO.

Anyway, that's the way I remember it; I'll admit I could be wrong about significant parts.


28 posted on 04/03/2006 12:11:01 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: rscully

"My parents came her legally (paying a dear price for it, I might add), and have taught all 7 of thier children to become solid, American citizens."

It is people like you (and your parents) who make America work.

In 28 + years of service I have seen intense loyalty and devotion to the American dream by people who came to this country with the idea of becoming American. They pass that on to their children. They (and your family) make a proud additon to the fabric of America.

In all the retoric, many on this site (myself inlcuded) talk about Illegals, but have repect for those who work to become legal immagrants then American citizens.


29 posted on 04/03/2006 12:26:03 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: truemiester

Thank you and to my other fellow freepers who have responded so kindly to my post. I've always disliked La Raza and other organizations of the same ilk because of thier "representation" of Hispanics. It would be like the media asserting that the ACLU represents all caucasions or that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton represent all blacks. La Raza and other organizations like them get thier power and influence from un-educated hispanics or liberal hispanics or worse, liberal-psuedo-intellectual hispanics. I've been called an elitist by some liberal-leaning hispanics because of my hard-core conservative, USA-Lovin' views. I'm not an elitist. I'm a practical, thinking person with more than 1/2 a brain that I'm not afraid to use. I also happen to love and respect my hispanic heritage. This love of heritage, however, extends to the country I was born in and which continues to be the greatest nation on earth. This country is a divine gift to humanity and should be treated as such.


30 posted on 04/03/2006 1:57:43 AM PDT by rscully (It's not enough to have aim in life...you must be willing to pull the trigger.)
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To: rscully
One of the things making this country worth loving is it was founded upon the rule of law and a constitution which outlines the way laws are created.

There are immigration laws which were passed for a good reason and they are being broken by MILLIONS of trespassers. That lawlessness begets more lawlessness and undermines respect for the entire American system. It makes a mockery of citizenship, sovereignty and the rule of law.

Our country will cease to exist without control of its borders.

A nation that cannot control its borders will not long remain a nation.

31 posted on 04/03/2006 2:37:57 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: rscully

Your parents were/are great people. They are to be honored. There must be many more like them among the illegal immigrants, but their status forces them to remain in the shadows. I personally love the Mexican culture, but I cannot replace my own with it. The roots of our problem is the Mexican government corruption that creates conditions of high unemployment, low wages, and all the other third world conditions. If millions of your people are forced back to Mexico the government will quickly collapse. Maybe that would be a good thing in the long run. My position is hardening because I refuse to let this mess destroy my country. Thank you for your service sir. God bless you and your family!


32 posted on 04/03/2006 7:22:23 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: rscully
"Mine is the face of many Hispanics who are being ignored during this very important debate."

Not ignored, appreciated, but as in the ol' saw---The good a man does dies with him etc etc ....My folks were 'boat people','Ellis Island people' also....

33 posted on 04/03/2006 7:29:34 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: LegendHasIt

I think your account is the same as mine, considering! What some, not all Latinos in the USofA today claim is that the will "TAKE BACK" the southwest. If they want to "TAKE BACK" then they feel that someone or something "TOOK AWAY"! For decades the American LEFT has yapped that the "evil" whiteman took away land from rightful owners in North America. My answer has been "what ever is the greatest good for the greatest number" should pervail.


34 posted on 04/03/2006 8:45:51 AM PDT by Blake#1
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