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W. House backs Rumsfeld as generals demand he resign
Reuters ^ | April 14 2006 | Steve Holland

Posted on 04/13/2006 3:15:15 PM PDT by jmc1969

The White House gave a new vote of confidence to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday as yet another retired general demanded Rumsfeld resign.

"Yes, the president believes Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a very fine job during a challenging period in our nation's history," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters.

A fifth retired general, Major Gen. John Riggs, added his voice to those opposing Rumsfeld. In an interview with National Public Radio, Riggs cited an atmosphere of "arrogance" among top civilian leaders at the Pentagon.

Rumsfeld "should step aside and let someone step in who can be more realistic," he said.

Of the Pentagon's civilian leadership, Riggs said: "They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign."

Retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni kept up the pressure for Rumsfeld's scalp by telling CNN Rumsfeld should be held accountable for a series of blunders, starting with "throwing away 10 years worth of planning, plans that had taken into account what we would face in an occupation of Iraq."

"I think he should (resign). This is not personal, believe me. We grew up in a culture where accountability, learning to accept responsibility, admitting your mistakes and learning from them was critical to us," Zinni said.

A recently retired two-star general, Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the Germany-based 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, called on Wednesday for Rumsfeld to resign.

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To: jmc1969

Five retired generals...out of how many?


51 posted on 04/13/2006 4:12:06 PM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: demkicker

52 posted on 04/13/2006 4:17:36 PM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: jmc1969

I hate to break it to some folks here, but the retired generals are almost certainly acting as mouthpieces for the active duty ones. An active duty general cannot speak out. A retired one can, but wouldn't take that step (I believe) unless they first talked to those on active duty.

And NO, that doesn't make these generals 'perfumed princes'. There are a lot of people, including myself, who don't think much of Rumsfeld. I can't speak to Iraq, but his policies in acquisition suck. He's been a good friend to the contractors, but the reality is the big defense contractors will screw the American taxpayer every chance they get.


53 posted on 04/13/2006 4:17:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: jude24
They may be 100% wrong, but they have earned the right once they're out to speak their mind. They have credibility that none of us have earned, since none of us are retired generals. They were in a better position than we to know if Rumsfeld bungled the Iraq occupation and reconstruction.

Why would you even include "they may be 100% wrong" if they have any modicum of credibility? They've earned much respect for what they DID -- past tense.
They demean themselves when they don't preface ALL their comments with "I'm a civilian now, privvy to no intel and know, basically squat, but when I was in charge..."

Anything beyond that is pure speculation and should be treated as such. Every war is different, as THEY will tell you. The middle east is an complicated as any war has ever been. NOTHING simple about it.

I CRINGE when I listen to them. I say, "Please, just go away and shut up, sir." Wesley was PARTICULARLY embarrassing. It's like hearing Muhammad Ali or George Foreman talking about fighting again. PLEASE, just be quiet and go away. Write a friggin' book and spout away, but get off the air with your airs of past glory. They sound just like GAS BAGS. Clinton and Carter come to mind.....just write a book and close mouth. GeezLaWeez.

54 posted on 04/13/2006 4:18:09 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Leisler

November 14, 2004
“We've got great Iraqis who are patriots, committed to a free and democratic Iraq.”
--Major General John Batiste, then-commander of the First Infantry Division,
”Iraqis, frankly, in my experience, do not understand democracy. Nor do they understand their responsibilities for a free society.”
--Retired Major General John Batiste, CNN, today


Sad to say that the later comment does not surprise me much.


55 posted on 04/13/2006 4:21:08 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: starfish923
Why would you even include "they may be 100% wrong" if they have any modicum of credibility?

Because neither you nor I know enough to prove or disprove their allegations. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

"I'm a civilian now, privvy to no intel and know, basically squat, but when I was in charge..."

They were in during the initial stages of the war. They'd be in a position to know if Rumsfeld screwed up.

They've earned the right to tell us their opinion - and they deserve more than "shut up." They know what they are talking about.

56 posted on 04/13/2006 4:24:38 PM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: napscoordinator

The second comment appears to be sadly true.


57 posted on 04/13/2006 4:25:14 PM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: starfish923
Hilarious how trolls want retired military dissing our leaders and the war, abetting the cultists with boots on the ground?

Why not go see the Pres or his people, if they are sincerely concerned?

Or why not write a book trashing Rumseld once the conflict is over?

I, for one, cannot WAIT for Rumsfeld to write his book!
58 posted on 04/13/2006 4:27:33 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Mr Rogers

No, they are not mouthpieces for active duty. They are mouthpieces for the DNC.

The DNC had this battleplan leaked about 6 weeks ago. Their Clinton generals would be orchestrated to speak out incrementally all the way to October.

EVERYTHING happening this year is the MSM cooperating with a grand DNC strategy to take Congress. The one mistake they are making is they are fighting the battle with last decade's tools. The web forms opinion now, not the MSM.

They will not take Congress if YOU volunteer your time and money to GOP candidates in vulnerable districts.


59 posted on 04/13/2006 4:30:52 PM PDT by Owen
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To: jude24
They were in during the initial stages of the war. They'd be in a position to know if Rumsfeld screwed up.
They've earned the right to tell us their opinion - and they deserve more than "shut up." They know what they are talking about.

I DID say "Please" and "sir" because I do have respect for them. But, demanding Rumsfield's resignation? I dunno.

60 posted on 04/13/2006 4:31:57 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Owen

There are a LOT of active duty with no use or respect for Rumsfeld. And with most of the officer core Republican (roughly 90%), it isn't likely they are all democrat plants. In the O-4/5 range, I'd say about 50% dislike Rumsfeld, but that percentage is growing.

One needs to accept the possibility, at least, that some of these guys care about the US and are speaking out because Rumsfeld is not doing an acceptable job.


61 posted on 04/13/2006 4:41:12 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: starfish923
But, demanding Rumsfield's resignation? I dunno.

If Zinni and Riggs are right, then Rumsfeld should resign. But neither you nor I know for sure if they are right.

62 posted on 04/13/2006 4:44:15 PM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: Mr Rogers

You either oppose the Democrats taking power and ALL of their machinations or you do not. If you do not, leave.

There is no room for equivocation. A daily mantra is ORCHESTRATED. If there were genuine motivations, the place to complain would be directly to the president. Going public, loudly, is for one reason and one reason only. To advance the Democrat strategy.


63 posted on 04/13/2006 4:52:33 PM PDT by Owen
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To: jmc1969
Uh oh.

"Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job."

64 posted on 04/13/2006 4:54:30 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren (Start the Chihuahua Airlift now!)
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To: jude24
If Zinni and Riggs are right, then Rumsfeld should resign. But neither you nor I know for sure if they are right.

True, they MAY be right. If they are, then he should indeed retire. You and I DON'T know if they are right or not. No argument from me there.

The generals just THINK they are right....there's the rub. I AM acquainted with two former generals, 2-star, and they DO tend to think that they simply CANNOT be wrong about anything.

65 posted on 04/13/2006 4:56:45 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Aren't they in the same category as "retired" presidents and with about the same credibility? Think Carter, for example.


66 posted on 04/13/2006 4:57:24 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: vbmoneyspender

Aren't they in the same category as "retired" presidents and with about the same credibility? Think Carter, for example. One must wonder how many of these military types are registered RATs?


67 posted on 04/13/2006 4:58:07 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Non-Sequitur; xarmydog

I have a great story about General Joulwan.

I was a brand spanking new 2LT attending the Army's Air Assault Course. Next to me on my stick was one PFC Joulwan, who sweated it out along me through the course.

At the graduation ceremony, there's a brief interruption in the pinning of the wings part, when a 2 star heads to my stick to pin the wings on his son. Naturally I froze to death.

Afterwards all I could tell PFC Joulwan was: You son of...you didn't tell me your dad was a General!

Great guys both.


68 posted on 04/13/2006 5:03:52 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: jude24

"If Zinni and Riggs are right, then Rumsfeld should resign. But neither you nor I know for sure if they are right."

Not necessarily. Zinni and Riggs could be right and Rumsfeld could be right. All we really know is what we have been told. Rumsfeld may have had to look into several aspects of this war that Zinni and Riggs had no responsibility for, and maybe no knowledge.

Without knowing all of the facts that went into making these decisions we can not know if Rumsfeld did well in a bad situation, or poorly in a good situation.


69 posted on 04/13/2006 5:24:24 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Owen

Guess we disagree.


70 posted on 04/13/2006 5:56:21 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: jmc1969

I wonder how many of these generals Rumsfeld asked to resign.


71 posted on 04/13/2006 5:58:13 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: cll
I was assigned to accompany two tanks during a Reforger exercise in Germany in 1975.I was in charge of two armored personnel carriers,one with my squad,and one full of German soldiers who spoke no English.I spoke what would be called bar German and needless to say,the other half of our communications consisted of charades.The tankers were not to friendly as the units never got along.Being in charge,it was my duty to change the CEOI at midnight,as no one else could.I was dog tired and gave explicit instructions to be awoke at 11:30 to check on things and make sure I was alert enough to change frequency's.Prior to that,I had posted two German soldiers in a tree stand in the middle of a field for watch,while we parked in the wood line and set up.Well,sure enough,I awake and it is 6:00 in the morning!Everyone is asleep!And the tankers are gone!Since I had been asleep,I had no idea what frequency to be on.I look out in the field,and sure enough,the two German soldiers were still in the deer stand.Only one problem.The enemy is setting up an 8.2 mortar platoon right there.I know right then that I am around 5 miles behind enemy lines and am trying to think what the heck to do.[Besides my court martial].I had no idea where any one from my unit was,as I had no way to know what channel they were on.So,I send a German soldier out to get the men in the deer stand with instructions not to arouse any suspicion.Mean while,all the men are going nuts wondering what to do.I did not have a clue.When the German soldiers came back to the vehicles,[no one notices!]I load everyone up,and come charging out of the wood line,shooting,and hauling butt out of there.We get down the road and pull over as I was trying to get through to someone to no avail.That started a 3 day journey behind enemy lines,and every time we came upon them we just attacked.We must have covered every inch of Germany attempting to find friendly forces.I had been putting fuel in those APCs out of my pocket,and I was writing IOUs to the men when I ran out.Then,driving down the road,out of the brush comes this LTC.wearing a 45.,waving me down.I knew then we had been'killed',as he was on the other side.He asked me,"What the hell are you doing"?I started with the name,rank and serial number stuff,all the while he was shaking his head.He said I had been raising hell with his unit and wanted to know what unit I was from.I told him my Battalion commanders name and he broke out laughing.They were very good friends,so he made me a deal.He said he would not 'kill'me,and he would give me the grids to my Battalion HQ.on one condition.I had to send him a message.I thought that was not a bad deal all things considered.Little did I know,the message would be written on the side of my APC in grease pencil,in large letters!Joulwan says hello!So I head back thinking how much jail time I was gonna get.It was late at night when I finally arrived,and sure enough,the butt chewin started.LTC.O:Shea started to get on to me until I told him about the message.We went outside,and after he read it,he laughed so hard I thought he was going to die!You can not imagine my relief!He gave me the grids to my unit,and I was gone back to finish the rest of the exercise.About 2 weeks after we had returned from the exercise,I was given a commendation that was unbelievable.It went along the lines of singlehandedly destroying 11 tanks,8.2 mortar platoon,and on and on.It was my turn to laugh my ass off!General Joulwan is a great man in my book.I was just glad I didn't get into trouble!
72 posted on 04/13/2006 6:11:46 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: jude24

They were in a better position than we to know if Rumsfeld bungled the Iraq occupation and reconstruction.

Not necessarily.


73 posted on 04/13/2006 6:17:52 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (www.thehousingbubbleblog.com)
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To: jmc1969
W. House backs Rumsfeld as generals demand he resign

Make that EX-generals. These "former" generals are people who were unable to adapt to the new types of challenges facing us. It is understandable that they think Rumsfeld is fighting an unconventional war, we are facing an unconventional enemy.

If World War II starts up again these former generals know exactly how to fight it. Otherwise we should consider the source.

74 posted on 04/13/2006 6:22:04 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: xarmydog

Just another great day in the Army!

God Bless.


75 posted on 04/13/2006 6:48:52 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: jude24
Good evening.
"They know what they are talking about."

You just don't know that. They climbed a ladder that began to get political when they became officers.

They punched their tickets and made their bones under clinton and all spent time in CENTCOM and the Pentagon during the same era.

They might be professional warriors or they might be political hacks. In either case, they are trying to lend authority to the DemocRATS and their anti war movement and to hurt us in time of war.

You give them the benefit of the doubt if you want. I don't.

Michael Frazier
76 posted on 04/13/2006 7:32:56 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: demlosers
It is of interest to note that most of the Generals who have complained in the past about there not being enough troops were of the faction that said it'd take 6-9 months just to get to Baghdad, with many thousands of KIAs. ...and then the occupation would begin. These Generals were pretty clearly shown to be wrong.

Shinseki was one of them, though IIRC he was graceful and pleased that the other plan worked out.

77 posted on 04/13/2006 8:00:44 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: jmc1969
Yeah, sure. A few liberal whacko generals spew the usual idiotic line and... wouldn't you know! Why, they're not only experts as to all things military, they also somehow reflect current opinion among most ex-generals.

Leave it to Reuters to spew stupidities. It's what they do best, at least when they aren't busy being apologists for terrorists and tyrants across the globe.

78 posted on 04/13/2006 8:25:39 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: brazzaville
In either case, they are trying to lend authority to the DemocRATS and their anti war movement and to hurt us in time of war.

See, I don't see things in black-and-white, good-and-evil in the political arena. I'm disillusioned with both major parties (and so am not a Republican either). Being a political independant means I can support the troops, and even the mission, without supporting the cult of personality. Gen. Zinni, for instance, is not anti-war. What he's saying is that, if we're going to salvage this mission and make it a success, it will require some serious strategic changes. If he's right - and unless you're a flag officer, you're not qulified to determine that any more than I am - than he has a moral duty to speak up now that he can do so. It's actually the patriotic thing to do.

Even Emperors need someone to tell them "Remember that thou art mortal." It's not disloyal to tell the President that he's made mistakes - even huge ones.

79 posted on 04/13/2006 9:05:56 PM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: jmc1969
When 1 star, 2, or 3 star generals retire, it is because they were not going to get that next star. So, when a 2 star retires, he was never going to get that 3d one. He has to blame someone, and in the case, the SecDef. All officers, especially generals, want 4 stars. ALL OF THEM.
80 posted on 04/13/2006 9:08:28 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians are in it for themselves, to get reelected, to benefit them, not we the people.)
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To: Reactionary
A few liberal whacko generals spew the usual idiotic line

"Liberal whackos" don't join the military, let alone advance to flag rank.

Saying that Rumsfeld screwed up does not make the generals "liberal whackos." Not unless you define "liberal whackos" as anyone who dares disagree with Bush.

81 posted on 04/13/2006 9:09:38 PM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: LS
Churchill was right: the best thing generals can do when they retire is SHUT UP.



That should include two democRATS' former Presidents as well!!!
82 posted on 04/13/2006 9:14:34 PM PDT by danamco
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To: jude24
Good evening.
"If he's right - and unless you're a flag officer, you're not qulified to determine that any more than I am"

Nonsense. The stars just mean that an individual filled all the requirements and avoided the pitfalls.

He or she might be worthy of respect or they might not but their rank is not necessarily an indicator either way. Not all officers are good officers, but good or bad we respect the rank and not the person.

General Zinni was commissioned in 1965. He met his educational requirements and did the requisite time in grade and in command slots. He was Director of Operation Hope under HW Bush and worked his way up under clinton and his merry band until he became CiC of Centcom. If you look at all of these ex-generals who want Rummy's head, they mostly spent their DOD and CENTCOM time in Weasely Clark and Shinseki's world. That's the time that molds them.

One of the generals, Newbold was a colonel leading a MEU under Zinni in Somalia and got his star from clinton and the DemocRAT congress. He was director of Manpower, Plans and Policy at Marine HQ under a clinton Sec Def. He hung out in Italy with like minds and he hasn't been happy since bill went away. Some FReeper wrote about the golden parachute these guys get when they retire and their relationship with the military/industrial complex. It's no wonder they hate W and Rummy's way of waging war, is it.

You should give black-an-white a try. Sometimes it makes things clearer.

Michael Frazier
83 posted on 04/13/2006 10:27:37 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: jude24
Good evening.
""Liberal whackos" don't join the military, let alone advance to flag rank."

All kinds join the military and anyone can advance if they try and are lucky in their timing.

Michael Frazier
84 posted on 04/13/2006 10:31:25 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: starfish923

Yes, I agree it might be over the line. But, in my opinion, we ARE talking about retired GENERALS here. Not draftees. Not people that served for a few years for money to go to college. So, I tend to be one of those people who listen. I may not agree, but when people like this break ALL known protocols, I have to ask myself why. I still may walk away thinking these guys are wrong, but they've earned the right to speak in my book. Shame on everyone who would dare call a decorated veteran a "traitor" simply because they don't like what they said. I hear Saddam operated very much like that. We are the greatest country in the world because Americans are free to speak their minds, even if we don't agree with them.


85 posted on 04/13/2006 11:42:50 PM PDT by NW Gun Owner
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To: starfish923

So long as we're going to talk about the awful nature of generals, let's talk about why we're supporting a man who shook hands with Saddam Hussein on this thread more than we're supporting (even RETIRED) men who fought his sorry ass? I'm confused. We support the man who at one time welcomed Saddam more than we support our troops? I guess since they're retired, they must've slipped into Clinton era liberalism. Is that what you're saying? A lifetime of service to this country in the military, and once you retire, you're not worthy of having an opinion? I'm a long time supporter of our military, and I'd like to think I would stop to listen to anyone who's fought to protect my freedoms. Particularly if they'd earned the rank of general. In my opinion, all you should do is stand up, shut up, and salute. Even if you don't agree.


86 posted on 04/13/2006 11:51:37 PM PDT by NW Gun Owner
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To: demkicker
Gee, I would think military protocol or at the very least, their duty as patriots would keep any retired general from publically speaking out against their commander in chief's decision making during a time of war.

The duty of a patriot is to speak out when you believe something is wrong. Agree or disagree, these men are expressing their sincere beliefs on the way the war is going. They have earned the right to do so, and they speak from experiences that the rest of us cannot begin to understand.

87 posted on 04/14/2006 4:16:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: xarmydog
Read their different biography's.Night and day.

Not really. Here is General Joulwan's Bio and here is General Clark's Bio . Seem pretty similar to me, if Clark hadn't become such buddies with Clinton he would probably be better respected around here.

88 posted on 04/14/2006 4:20:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: jmc1969; All
Interesting and very informative thread.

Hooray Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and The United States Armed Forces!

89 posted on 04/14/2006 4:45:07 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: brazzaville; Gamecock
Nonsense. The stars just mean that an individual filled all the requirements and avoided the pitfalls.

I'm gonna call you on that - bullcrap.

How many people in the Army top off at Colonel because they don't advance to flag rank? Or in the Navy who retire at Captain? It takes more than "punching your ticket" to make it to be a General or Admiral.

90 posted on 04/14/2006 6:06:02 AM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: Dog

I'm with Rummy screw them generals.


91 posted on 04/14/2006 6:17:12 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: jude24
Good morning.
"I'm gonna call you on that - bullcrap."
"It takes more than "punching your ticket" to make it to be a General or Admiral."

Call it what you want.

How many people get the key to the executive restroom, only to lose it when their patron goes away or the mood shifts?

The debate on this thread revolves around trusting or believing people because of what they were, rather than, who they are. What they are is a clique of former officers who are acting for political reasons to harm our war effort.

Believe what you want. I'm off to the VA hospital at Fort Miley. I get to see what generals and admirals do, good ones or bad ones. I'll be back tonight.

Michael Frazier
92 posted on 04/14/2006 7:40:03 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: jmc1969

More Generals to privates quit the military under Clinton and no one interviewed them. Books have been written by Generals on how bad Clinton was as Commander in Chief.

Now, this is just more Bush Bashing.


93 posted on 04/14/2006 7:41:33 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Moleman
"This is a key point."

Active duty generals learns the lessons of MacAuthur and Pattan and more recently an Air Forse general critical of Clinton. Keep your mouth shut (in public) until you retire, then speak your mind.

94 posted on 04/14/2006 7:48:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: NW Gun Owner
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

1. This is a planned even by Democrats, they talked about it months ago. They went around and found all the retired military members they could that were on their side (fellow believers) and willing to spout their talking points. Now they are coming out.

2. How many retired generals are their total? These generals who agreed to be part of the Democrat campaign (and there is no way do deny that is what this is given 1) represent what percent of retired Generals? 15%, 2%?, 0.1%? What percent?

3. On another thread one of these generals was shown to be part of a Left-Wing democrat think tank. In other words being paid specifically to spout anti-Republican talking points.

4. Several of these Generals have been fired by Rumsfield, or have had their pet projects canceled by him, of course they are going to attack him. So what? Especially if they are even not a majority?
95 posted on 04/14/2006 8:15:30 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Ooops, correction:

1. This is a planned event by Democrats

96 posted on 04/14/2006 8:18:34 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
"2. How many retired generals are their total? These generals who agreed to be part of the Democrat campaign (and there is no way do deny that is what this is given 1) represent what percent of retired Generals? 15%, 2%?, 0.1%? What percent?"

This should help you figure it out: In the Department of Defense there are:

34 - four star generals/admirals

124 - three star generals/admirals

278 - two star generals/admirals

439 - one star generals/admirals

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year 15-20% of those flag officers retire; some not by choice.

How many generals are saying these things? Five? Six? These generals have about the same weight in numbers as the LP Presidental candidates do.

97 posted on 04/14/2006 8:18:56 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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Wow, how pathetic this effort is then. The only thing keeping this going is the spin of the MSM trying to pretend what spews out of the mouth of a tiny minority of sore losers represent something of signifcance.


98 posted on 04/14/2006 8:25:38 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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Let me share another statistic with you that will add more light on the issue. Our military is 1,400,000 strong today BUT we have the same number of flag officers today as we did during WWII when our military was 12,000,000 strong.


99 posted on 04/14/2006 8:28:17 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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That is insane. I wonder if Rummy has tried to take any steps in rectifying that. If so that would be another reason for resentment by some over him doing the right thing.
100 posted on 04/14/2006 8:36:25 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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