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Woman denied membership in all-male Elks Club
The Merced Sun-Star ^ | April 19, 2006, 02:32:31 AM PDT | Corinne Reilly

Posted on 04/19/2006 1:30:14 PM PDT by keat

Chapter only one in Central California with no female members

Merced resident Michele Arancibia applied for membership to the service organization in March, but was rejected following an April 6 vote. Arancibia and several Elks members say her gender is all that kept her out of the club, located at 1910 M St.

"I realize that there are a lot of old-timers out there," said the 55-year-old Arancibia. "But I didn't think it was still like this. It's sad, really."

The controversy over Arancibia's recent bid for membership began prior to the election when a current Elks member reportedly made phone calls to other members, urging them to attend the April 6 vote.

"I heard that a member had been calling around, asking other members to show up to vote against my joining," said Arancibia.

Several Elks members present at the April 6 meeting confirmed that a member stood up prior to the vote and pressed other members to deny Arancibia membership specifically because of her gender.

"There was a particular individual who stood up and urged members not to vote for females," said Merced resident John Burk, a 20-year member of the Elks.

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1 posted on 04/19/2006 1:30:15 PM PDT by keat
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To: keat

She looks like a hippopotamus, why doesn't she start a local chapter of the Hippos?


2 posted on 04/19/2006 1:32:57 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: keat

And Mike Tyson or Kobe Bryant should be allowed to join the Girl Scouts too.


3 posted on 04/19/2006 1:33:10 PM PDT by noobiangod
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To: keat

Hey, the headline says woman....where is the pics of a woman? Very misleading.


4 posted on 04/19/2006 1:34:01 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: keat

Well, in that case, I demand admission into the Association of Hispanic Women Engineers.


5 posted on 04/19/2006 1:34:47 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: mass55th
Republican Womens, Small Business Womens, League of Women Voters,..................

Why can there no longer be a white heteral sexual mens group?

6 posted on 04/19/2006 1:35:08 PM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: keat

What part of "all-male club" seems to escape your comprehension?


7 posted on 04/19/2006 1:35:21 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: keat
"and several Elks members say her gender is all that kept her out of the club..."

Used to be that people had sexes and words had genders...

8 posted on 04/19/2006 1:35:33 PM PDT by TXFireman
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To: keat

The only place I know where no one is denied admission is the Paris Hilton.


9 posted on 04/19/2006 1:36:27 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: keat
"I realize that there are a lot of old-timers out there," said the 55-year-old Arancibia. "But I didn't think it was still like this. It's sad, really."

It's sad that Ms. Arancibia thinks she should be allowed to force her way into a private organization that doesn't want her. It's sad that she doesn't respect the wishes of the members whose club she wants to join.

Why doesn't she start her own club, if what she wants is to be of service to the community?

10 posted on 04/19/2006 1:36:54 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: TonyWojo
Why can there no longer be a white heteral sexual mens group?

Because we're the focus of evil in the modern world.

We would already have been exterminated if not for the fact that we own a lot of guns.

11 posted on 04/19/2006 1:37:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: mass55th

Hippos and Elks require different climates. She ought not fit in too well with the Elks, but do perfect in the mud.


12 posted on 04/19/2006 1:37:56 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: mass55th
Are you a guy? Yes? Let's say you had to go buy a patch for your jeans in the fabric store; there are 3 clerks, and one of them is a GUY.

Do you want HIM to wait on you?

This happened to me 2 days ago. In San Francisco.

13 posted on 04/19/2006 1:38:18 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: noobiangod
And Mike Tyson or Kobe Bryant should be allowed to join the Girl Scouts too.

And Curves, the all-female fitness centers that bar men.

And sororities, who also bar men.

Hey, and what about those all-women colleges......that also bar men?

I guess some barring is more equal than others, eh?

14 posted on 04/19/2006 1:38:25 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: noobiangod
Just what are you insinuating Michele Arancibia may do to those men at the Elk Club if allowed to join?

Slap the boys around a bit before making them have 'consensual sex' with her?

The horror! The Horror!

15 posted on 04/19/2006 1:38:53 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: MadeInAmerica
Let the men have their clubs. Why doesn't she have her husband join the Elks? She can be in the wives club.

What's wrong with letting men be men? I think we should stop women who try to be men.

she's just a trouble maker.>
16 posted on 04/19/2006 1:39:51 PM PDT by BarbM
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To: keat

I do not believe there is any government money involved in the Elk's activities. Nor, do they use public property.

So, under the right of free association, guess what?

They can freely choose with whom to associate!

Give the lady and Elk burger and say goodbye!


17 posted on 04/19/2006 1:40:01 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: keat

The Elk membership policy states in part "To be eligible for membership in the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, you must be a citizen of the United States over the age of 21 who believes in God." Nothing about male or female. Our Elks club is the largest in California and we accept female applicants and have a number of well respected female members. We do reject applicants both male and female however through the selection process.


18 posted on 04/19/2006 1:40:06 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: Redleg Duke

The Elks actually does admit women. Perhaps it's just HER they don't want...


19 posted on 04/19/2006 1:40:12 PM PDT by USMC79to83
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To: Gabz

Ping-a-Ling! :) (Or are you a Moose Lodge Gal? I can't remember...)


20 posted on 04/19/2006 1:41:03 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: American Quilter
The Female elk is called a cow.

She could start a "Cow Club" for cows like her.

21 posted on 04/19/2006 1:41:42 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: All

All these Male Clubs should just adopt a charter that proclaims that any member may at any time ask another member to remove all clothing from the waist up.

....think that'd work?

(Not that it would help the male members in this case, but may stave off these idiots)


22 posted on 04/19/2006 1:41:50 PM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: Redleg Duke
What part of "all-male club" seems to escape your comprehension?

Funny, I know a woman here in Indy that's a member of the Elks club. Her dad was a grand poohbah or whatever at another chapter in another county.

I wouldn't say that Elks as a whole is all male. Perhaps just that chapter.

23 posted on 04/19/2006 1:42:53 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: gaijin

Are you a guy? Yes? Let's say you had to go buy a patch for your jeans in the fabric store; there are 3 clerks, and one of them is a GUY.
Do you want HIM to wait on you?

This happened to me 2 days ago. In San Francisco.
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I dunno. When I'm ready to pay for my merch, I really don't give a flying [fill in the blank] who waits on me. Do you really think about that kind of stuff?


24 posted on 04/19/2006 1:43:16 PM PDT by dmz
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To: keat

ever heard of the lady elks?


25 posted on 04/19/2006 1:44:36 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: gaijin
Are you a guy? Yes? Let's say you had to go buy a patch for your jeans in the fabric store; there are 3 clerks, and one of them is a GUY. Do you want HIM to wait on you? This happened to me 2 days ago. In San Francisco.

in san francisco? heck yeah! everyone knows that gay men are THE fashion experts!
26 posted on 04/19/2006 1:45:15 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: keat

She would be very welcome to join the clampers ... NOT


27 posted on 04/19/2006 1:45:28 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties)
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To: Ben Mugged

The Red Green Man's Prayer:
I am a man. I can change if I have to, I guess.


28 posted on 04/19/2006 1:46:19 PM PDT by BarbM
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To: keat
[REAL WORLD] "Man denied membership at all-female health club."

"Men have no business trying to apply at our private health club," said the 55-year-old Arancibia. "But it's for women only, and we don't admit men. Deal with it." [/READ WORLD]

The double standard no one will ever bring up. Why the hell not college bathrooms that are co-ed by stall, for God's sake? There are women's clubs for this woman...her only goal is "taking down" the men's only facility.

29 posted on 04/19/2006 1:48:15 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: keat

The Elks thing reminds me...I once heard Joe Buck broadcasting a St. Louis Cardinals baseball game. When his partner took a moment to recognize a large group of Elks who were there for the game, Joe said, "My father (Hall of Fame broadcaster Jack Buck) was an Elk - and a Lion, and a Moose, as well as a Buck. I used to charge the kids in the neighborhood a quarter just to come in the house and look at him asleep on the couch!"


30 posted on 04/19/2006 1:48:31 PM PDT by Gtown
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To: CygnusXI
"All these Male Clubs should just adopt a charter that proclaims that any member may at any time ask another member to remove all clothing from the waist up.

....think that'd work?

Do you really want to see that?!

31 posted on 04/19/2006 1:49:12 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: BarbM

Let the men have their clubs. Why doesn't she have her husband join the Elks? She can be in the wives club.

What's wrong with letting men be men? I think we should stop women who try to be men.

she's just a trouble maker.>
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Excellent approach from a real woman BarbM. It doesn't make these men any better than her, just different and they want to associate with others of the same. Men should also honor those "clubs" that only accept women.

It's not a good thing that men and women associate ALL the time, in EVERY activity.


32 posted on 04/19/2006 1:50:13 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: absolootezer0

Gay men are so NOT the fashion experts, though they certainly like the world to think that they are.

I'm sorry, but strutting around in pointy rattlesnake loafers,, jeans, and horn-rimmed glasses does not a fashion expert make.


33 posted on 04/19/2006 1:50:18 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Ben Mugged
The Elk membership policy states in part "To be eligible for membership in the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, you must be a citizen of the United States over the age of 21 who believes in God."

Well, if you can discriminate on the basis of religion (atheists need not apply to the Elks) then you may as well discriminate on the basis of gender. As an earlier poster stated, it's a private club on private property. I'm not sure how a lack of belief in God impairs your ability to do community service activities, but hey, it's the right of free association....

34 posted on 04/19/2006 1:51:32 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: BarbM

I thought he was talking about brands of duck tape.

mc :-)


35 posted on 04/19/2006 1:53:01 PM PDT by mcshot (Many of our enemies are busy - pouring through our gates .)
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To: keat
"There was a particular individual who stood up and urged members not to vote for females..."

Combine freedom of speech with freedom of association and this can be one of the results.

And what if it really was just this one female that most members didn't want? Is that allowed, I wonder?

36 posted on 04/19/2006 1:53:36 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

And you know there's bunch of guys 'round here that think they are really Lesbians...


37 posted on 04/19/2006 1:54:39 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: gaijin

They don't sell duct tape in S.F.?


38 posted on 04/19/2006 1:57:30 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: gaijin
Let's say you had to go buy a patch for your jeans in the fabric store...

You went into a fabric store to buy a patch for your jeans? Why?

39 posted on 04/19/2006 1:57:30 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: CheyennePress
Gay men are so NOT the fashion experts, though they certainly like the world to think that they are. I'm sorry, but strutting around in pointy rattlesnake loafers,, jeans, and horn-rimmed glasses does not a fashion expert make.

oops.. did i forget a /sarcasm tag?
40 posted on 04/19/2006 1:57:30 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: keat

tough titty.


41 posted on 04/19/2006 1:58:14 PM PDT by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: TXFireman
Used to be that people had sexes and words had genders...

Very true!

42 posted on 04/19/2006 1:58:36 PM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: keat
Arancibia and several Elks members say her gender is all that kept her out of the club, located at 1910 M St.

It was probably her sex too.

43 posted on 04/19/2006 2:00:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: gaijin
Right click on image then left click on properties for URL.
44 posted on 04/19/2006 2:01:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: azhenfud

On the other hand, there already is a "Moose Club" in her area. She looks more like a moose than an elk. She also may try to become an Eagle but she would never got off the ground there.


45 posted on 04/19/2006 2:02:23 PM PDT by fish hawk (TU)
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To: TexasCajun

Actually, the women are in the Doe's.

The men join the Elks, the women the Does.

But some women want in the Elks themselves. It seems sort of silly to me. They just sit around and play cards and have dances anyway.

They do participate in some worthy causes, and Elks looks good on your resume.

I've always wondered, just the same, why people want entrance into a social club where nobody wants to socialize with them. I mean, next this stupid woman will probably be suing to brind her "significant other" and stick HER in the Does.


46 posted on 04/19/2006 2:02:35 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: keat
The ELKS Lodge which I have been a member of for 12 years now began admitting women about 6 years ago as full members. (hey, they let me in, requirements can't be too strict)

The first women admitted were wives of members who had been officers in the Womens Auxiliary know as "The Does".

The Does had their own rituals and procedures separate and apart from the ELKS. Since then, women had been admitted from outside the Does and have held the highest positions within the Lodge... FREE SPEECH - FREE ASSOCIATION - SECRET BALLOTS - What more can you ask for??
47 posted on 04/19/2006 2:08:26 PM PDT by UPcrawfish
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To: gaijin
"Are you a guy?"

No, I'm a middle-aged female. Having a GUY in a San Francisco fabric store wait on you is probably no different than having a GAL wait on you.

48 posted on 04/19/2006 2:09:38 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: keat

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there all women organizations in the US that won't allow men to enter? I am sure there are several around. If this is the case what complaint does this person have? Since when does a private club have to comply with PC rules? Down with PC, up the republic.


49 posted on 04/19/2006 2:10:37 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: fish hawk

She's too old to be an EAGLE Scout and then there's that 'gender' thing again.. OH, wait - that's not what you were talking about.. NEXT....


50 posted on 04/19/2006 2:10:54 PM PDT by UPcrawfish
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