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State-to-State Migration Is Linked to Cost of Housing
NY Times ^ | April 20, 2006 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 04/20/2006 11:28:58 PM PDT by neverdem

The 1990's exodus to other states from California and from the Northeast appears to have eased since 2000, but not in metropolitan New York, a Census Bureau analysis says.

The Midwest is still losing residents, and the West is gaining. The South remains a magnet for migrants, but the influx of new residents has declined steeply outside the South Atlantic region.

The analysis, which is being released today, looked only at people moving from one place to another in the United States and did not take into account people arriving from other countries.

Maine, Rhode Island, Maryland and Wyoming, which lost population to other states in the 1990's, have gained residents from elsewhere in the country since 2000.

In five other states — Indiana, Minnesota, Utah, Mississippi and Oklahoma — the pattern was reversed: more people moved out than in from other states.

William Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution in Washington, attributed much of the pattern to soaring housing costs.

"In effect, the housing affordability crunch in metro New York is a windfall for nearby areas like Allentown and Poughkeepsie and Southern hot spots like Tampa and Orlando," he said. "And on the West Coast, it's interior California and the rest of the West that is gaining."

In California, on average, 221,000 more people moved out every year than moved in from other states in the 1990's. From 2000 to 2004, the annual average net loss declined to 99,000 as more Californians moved inland from cities on the coast instead of moving to other states. San Bernardino has gained more migrants annually since 2000 than any other metropolitan area.

"It's the next frontier," said Marc J. Perry, who wrote the Census Bureau analysis.

About 183,000 more people left New York State annually than moved in from other states...

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KEYWORDS: bluestates; census; censusbureau; exodus; housing; population; states; taxes; topten

New York Is Losing People at Fastest Pace in America

Bay State exodus 2d only to N.Y

From deep within liberal lines, it's not just taxes and housing, there are too many reasons to count!

1 posted on 04/20/2006 11:29:01 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The three biggest reasons for the NYC Metro area net intra-U.S. migration are:

1) Housing costs
2) Taxes
3) Foreign immigration, displacing NYC Metro residents

Also, due to a technical change in how metro areas were defined for ranking purposes in 2000, some of the growing exurban areas (like Orange County, NY) are no longer part of the NYC metro area (although they are still part of the NYC Combined Statistical Area). One of the fastest-growing counties within a 75-mile radius of NYC, Monroe County, PA, isn't included in the NY Metro or combined areas. The L.A. metro lost fast-growing Riverside and San Bernadino Counties due to the same change.

New York State is still gaining population (albeit at a much slower rate than the rest of the country) due to a net positive birthrate and foreign immigration. Most of Upstate New York is losing population, though. The only state that the census estimates has lost population since 2000 is North Dakota.
2 posted on 04/21/2006 12:42:12 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem

Weather is certainly a big factor in the NE. Why suffer through northern winters when you could have a much easier time down south?


3 posted on 04/21/2006 2:17:52 AM PDT by thoughtomator (That new ring around Uranus is courtesy of the IRS)
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To: neverdem
Since taxes are tied to this ridiculous housing boom I think a lot of people are leaving for that reason. I want to. I want to go somewhere where I get something for my taxes. I pay $6000/year and we have no police, fire or garbage pickup.

I know a guy who's moving to southern Il, where he is from orignially, and his brother pays $1100/year for 20 acres and 2600' house.

4 posted on 04/21/2006 3:39:43 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: thoughtomator

Combine the climate with high housing costs and high taxation and you have a perfect storm that is driving people out of the region.


5 posted on 04/21/2006 3:41:54 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: neverdem

"In effect, the housing affordability crunch in metro New York is a windfall for nearby areas like Allentown

As someone who lives in northeast PA, believe me, it's no windfall. These people bring the low morals and incivility that NYC is famous for, with them.


6 posted on 04/21/2006 4:03:29 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: neverdem
Within California, migration is from liberal coastal counties to conservative inland counties. The Goldem State is becoming demographically redder.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

7 posted on 04/21/2006 4:29:39 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
I can Hilliary and Romney now: Vote for us so we can do for the nation what we've done to...er, for our states.

SNORT.

8 posted on 04/21/2006 4:32:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: freedomfiter2

We should build a wall at the New York border.

We've experienced a reverse migration from NYC over the last 20 years, which brings the sort of stuff you mention. The worse being grafitti.


9 posted on 04/21/2006 4:47:32 AM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: neverdem
Gee... this also looks like a list of best and worst states to own a firearm. Maybe people are leaving nanny state tyranny for freedom?
10 posted on 04/21/2006 4:52:41 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: neverdem
Golly Darn! THe NYSlimes discovers capitalism! People can find better housing and better living conditions for their dollar, so they go get what they want! Amazing!

And isn't it astonishing that people tend to move away, as somebody already noted, from nanny states seeking to disarm them to places where they can breathe free and take a little responsibility.

Of course, Noo Yawk is so hip, so cool, such ahappening place. But faced with the choice between living the way newsies think we all secretly want to live and living like free people, folks turn out to prefer being unhip and free to being oh so hip and slaves.

Maybe there's hope for us.

11 posted on 04/21/2006 5:42:53 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: neverdem

Gee, who would have thunk it? People are leaving Blue states due to high taxes and are moving to red states with lower taxes.

I'm stuned I tell ya.


12 posted on 04/21/2006 7:17:22 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (To Serve Man......It's a cookbook!)
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To: conservative in nyc; neverdem
As I have said before, the main people leaving New York are 1. Blue Collar whites, 2. Nuyoricans of all social stripes (to Central Florida and Pennsylvania and 3. Middle Class blacks (to Atlanta and points south).

New York City is still attracting the wealthy like crazy. The tax base should remain OK, as the blue collar and government employee types don't exactly contribute much to the tax base, no matter what they think. Not any more.

13 posted on 04/21/2006 1:23:42 PM PDT by Clemenza (Amor de mi Vida, Donde Estas?)
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To: cll; AuH2ORepublican
Lots of Nuyoricans are moving to the Lehigh Valley and Poconos region of Pennsylvania. Many are also moving to Central Florida. As you pointed out, some go back to PR, but the reverse migration pales in comparison to that of "los Joe" who return to the Dominican Republic after making their money in the U.S.

Interestingly enough, very few Nuyoricans and Dominican Yorks choose South Florida (Miami-Dade/Broward/Palm Beach), due to the fact that its become an expensive part of that state. The Jewish migration from New York/New Jersey to South Florida (especially Palm Beach, North Broward, and even portions of coastal Dade) continues, albeit largely of the upper Middle Class to wealthy, to say nothing of wealthy South Americans.

14 posted on 04/21/2006 1:28:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Amor de mi Vida, Donde Estas?)
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To: Clemenza; cll

I was aware that a lot of Puerto Ricans (not just from NY, also from PR itself) had moved to the Lehigh Valley over the past decade or two, but wasn't aware of the Poconos being a magnet as well.

The reverse migration of Nuyoricans to the Island is quite different from that of Dominicans, since most Nuyoricans who move to PR don't do it to retire, they move to PR to work under less stressful conditions and nicer weather.


15 posted on 04/21/2006 1:45:23 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clemenza

My secretary, pardon, administrative assistant, is Nuyorican, and boy is she pushy.


16 posted on 04/21/2006 1:56:59 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: cll

I think I dated her once. LOL!


17 posted on 04/21/2006 2:03:56 PM PDT by Clemenza (Amor de mi Vida, Donde Estas?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clemenza

I got a joke about Puerto Ricans/Nuyoricans in Pennsylvania.

I was at nearby Fort Indiantown Gap training with the Guard. A couple of buddies (anglos) and I went to the movies, in Lebanon I think it was. We sat in front of these two girls, who immediately started cussing in Spanish about or choice of seats.

My buddy from Alabama was asking me what they were saying. I told him to forget it.

The girls keep on keeping on about us in Spanish (Pendejos, cabrones, blanquitos, etc.) for a few minutes.

One of them then taps me in the shoulder and with an attitude asks me in English, "Hey, what time is it?". I replied to her IN SPANISH and in my best Puerto Rican accent, "son las dos de la tarde" and give her "the look". Needless to say the two girls froze to death and then left the theater.

My buddies just couldn't stop laughing.


18 posted on 04/21/2006 2:09:01 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
"Gee... this also looks like a list of best and worst states to own a firearm. Maybe people are leaving nanny state tyranny for freedom?"

Unfortuately, it appears we have many liberals/greens moving to Montana, a change is in the air and it isn't for the better.

19 posted on 04/21/2006 2:09:22 PM PDT by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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