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Bush promotes fuel cells, rides his bike on Earth Day
AP ^ | 4/21/6 | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 04/22/2006 9:32:49 AM PDT by SmithL

ST. HELENA, Calif. -- Unable to drive down high oil prices, President Bush is spending Earth Day promoting futuristic hydrogen fuel technology as a way to wean Americans from gas-guzzling vehicles.

After a bike ride near his Napa Valley resort Saturday morning, Bush planned to visit the California Fuel Cell Partnership in West Sacramento for a tour and speech on his energy plan.

The plan does not include any measures that would reduce gas prices in the short term, the White House acknowledges. But with Republicans worried that the increasing cost to drive could hurt them in the voting booth this year, Bush said he understands Americans are hurting.

"I know the folks here are suffering at the gas pump," Bush told an audience Friday in San Jose. "Rising gasoline prices is like taking a — is like a tax, particularly on the working people and the small business people."

But to address the immediate problem, Bush offered only a pledge that "if we find any price gouging it will be dealt with firmly."

The White House hopes the high gas prices will pressure Congress to act on the energy proposals the president outlined in his State of the Union address, such as increased federal research into alternative fuels and batteries for hybrid and electric cars.

Democrats, meanwhile, contend that the Bush administration places too much emphasis on drilling reserves and not enough on alternative fuels.

The promise of hydrogen fuel cell technology in vehicles is a favorite of automakers, environmentalists and politicians because it accomplishes two important goals — automobiles that run on fuel cells would not require gasoline and emit only water.

The problem with the technology is that it's many years away from widespread use.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: apbias; bigoil; bike; calvisit; drilling; earthday; endforeignoil; fuelcell; fuelcellpartnership; gasprices; hydrogen; hydrogeneconomy; hydrogenhighway; mountainbike; nedrapickler; oilprices; pricegouging; reserves
Nedra Pickler bias in the opening sentence alert!
1 posted on 04/22/2006 9:32:53 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Hydrogen, electric cars for the commute that don't use any gasoline at all, and not a penny cheaper to run but at least they aren't dependent on foreign oil.


2 posted on 04/22/2006 9:34:33 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: SmithL



So out of touch...


3 posted on 04/22/2006 9:39:17 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: SmithL

"Unable to report the news in an unbiased manner, AP today assigned Nedra Pickler to . . ."


4 posted on 04/22/2006 9:40:37 AM PDT by Muleteam1
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To: SmithL

"Prez......promoting futuristic hydrogen fuel technology"

read my lips....its not in the thermodynamics, stupid!


5 posted on 04/22/2006 9:44:13 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: SmithL

"automobiles that run on fuel cells would not require gasoline and emit only water."
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No its dihydrogen oxide they will emit, a substance that kills countless people every year. This is terrible!


6 posted on 04/22/2006 9:45:39 AM PDT by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: fizziwig
I thought the proper term was Dihydrogen Monoxide.
7 posted on 04/22/2006 9:57:44 AM PDT by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SmithL
Nedra Pickler? Namephreakism Day (see related thread.)
8 posted on 04/22/2006 10:01:22 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: SmithL
Been cooler to seem him ride his big four stroke dirt bike tear a$$ing across the desert in the SW looking for Illegal Aliens and calling them into the border patrol on his sat phone....

And in the evening barbequeing a whole cow for the Border Patrol and Minutemen....

Or ignoring Lennin's birthday altogether and telling folks why.

9 posted on 04/22/2006 10:23:50 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy

Bush promotes fuel cells, rides his bike on Earth Day

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Notice he didn't take the Gub up on an offer of a ride in his motorcycle sidecar.


10 posted on 04/22/2006 10:42:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SmithL

Yeah, like the President controls the oil prices. But to Leftists, the gubermint is supposed to control everything, from the price of oil, to its availability (those with special "need" like celebrities and Party officials will always have top priority), to the amount of time you can pass gas in a day.


11 posted on 04/22/2006 11:07:02 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: SmithL
What a great web site! This is too funny ...
12 posted on 04/22/2006 12:01:32 PM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need not stinkin' rule of law! We want AMNESTY, muchacho!")
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To: manwiththehands

The City Council where my SIL lives actually tried to ban DHMO.


13 posted on 04/22/2006 12:20:34 PM PDT by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SmithL

So much for drilling under this GOP controlled government. Independence from foreign oil was one of the major issues for which I voted all GOP since 2000.


14 posted on 04/22/2006 12:22:18 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: All
Nobody seems to have figured out that producing hydrogen takes huge amounts of energy. The earth does not have any free hydrogen floating around, even tho' it is the most abundant element. All of it is tightly bound in substances like water, hydrocarbons, and living creature tissue. Hydrogen is effectively a (very inefficient) way to store energy.

Yes, I do know what a fuel cell is. And yes, I do know how to make hydrogen. The problem is that the making of hydrogen is thermodynamically inefficient. Moreover, storing, transporting, and using hydrogen as a fuel are all problematic. It is a low-density fuel, meaning that it takes much more space. It is a very dangerous fuel. Does anybody remember the German dirigible "Hindenburg"? It was a great bag filled with hydrogen. When it ignited, the entire airship burned in seconds. (No, I am not old enough to remember it. I just know my aviation history.)
15 posted on 04/22/2006 1:22:07 PM PDT by agedav (the aviation theologian)
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To: RightWhale
There are no hydrogen wells anywhere to be found, you know... Hydrogen is not a primal source of extracted energy, it's a way to store energy that is produced by other means.

Promoting fuel cells is nice, but without legislation fast-tracking nuclear energy, it's not very helpful. If you have to burn imported fuel to produce hydrogen, then you are set further back because the process is less efficient than gasoline engines, due to the multiple conversions.

16 posted on 04/22/2006 1:39:45 PM PDT by FrogBurger
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To: RightWhale

Actually, it is more expensive:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1284737/posts?page=1

Stupid thieving government.


17 posted on 04/22/2006 2:19:41 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: SmithL
Bush planned to visit the California Fuel Cell Partnership in West Sacramento ...

Now there are a bunch of crooks, IMO. Firoz Rasul, chairman of Ballard Power Systems Ltd., took over chairmanship of the California Fuel Cell Partnership in 2004. He has a pretty sleazy history.

18 posted on 04/22/2006 3:22:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: FrogBurger

We have been over and over this on FR for a long time. The idea is to get free of imported oil, not to find a cheaper source of fuel. Reason being, there is nothing cheaper on this planet than oil.


19 posted on 04/22/2006 3:58:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: traviskicks

The object of this exercise is to eliminate foreign oil. Cost is of interest but is secondary.


20 posted on 04/22/2006 4:04:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale

well, I don't think government should have any interest in how US citizens go about attaining their fuel or what fuel it is they attain. It certainly shouldn't be stealing money from the populace to prop up a strategy that is more expensive than the current one. Including, incidentally, one that pollutes more.

Let me repeat that, environmentalists pushing for hydrogen are pushing for a fuel that pollutes more, not less.

The goal of 'energy independence' is as shallow and as ridiculous as that of 'automobile independence', and has become little more than political jargon of the meddling elites.

Then Bush is out there talking about price gouging, of which, by definition, there is no such thing.

It is so topsy turvey, it is, frankly, somewhat mindboggling.


21 posted on 04/22/2006 5:30:23 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: traviskicks

The Dept of Energy has sucked down $5 billion a year for 30 years, and if there isn't a gov't solution in hand by now there won't be. The latest example of gov't coming to the rescue was Katrina, and that is probably the best that can be expected. Being $9 trillion in debt can't be of any help, and the private sector is likewise $9 trillion in debt. There isn't much more where that came from. Answer? Horses? Bicycles?


22 posted on 04/22/2006 6:10:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: All
You realize that the hydrogen tech is in its infancy, right? Better ways of producing the hydrogen fuel are always in the works.

We're better off getting away from the oil dependence (a lessen we should've learned 30 yrs ago during the oil embargo) than worrying about short term costs of adopting new technologies. Gas-electric hybrids and hydrogen fuel cells are two parts of a strategy. Don't be a luddite.

It's not necessarily more polluting to produce the hydrogen than to use oil. The libertarian Reason Institute's think tank's assumption was based on using natural gas plants. That's definitely not the only answer.

23 posted on 04/22/2006 9:43:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: agedav; All
Hydrogen Exonerated in Hindenburg Disaster
24 posted on 04/22/2006 9:56:17 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: SmithL
After a bike ride near his Napa Valley resort Saturday morning

When did Bush buy a resort in Napa Valley? Is that to go with his timber company from the 2004 debates?

25 posted on 04/22/2006 9:57:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: MaineVoter2002
So much for drilling under this GOP controlled government. Independence from foreign oil was one of the major issues for which I voted all GOP since 2000.

You aren't alone in your perturbed feeling in that regard.

26 posted on 04/22/2006 9:59:26 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: FrogBurger

We have a winner!

Nuclear power should offset the thermodynamic inefficiency of hydrogen production, correct?

How would this be done? Electralysis?


27 posted on 04/22/2006 10:11:10 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: RightWhale; newzjunkey; okiecon; FrogBurger; calcowgirl; agedav; MaineVoter2002; SmithL; ...

If any of you are interested I just blogged about this article, and this entire issue of high gas prices, which seems to be in the news a lot lately:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm


28 posted on 04/22/2006 10:30:43 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Clock King

The template is: if something good happens, the Democrats did it. If something bad happens, blame the Republicans.

"Gas prices are high, in spite of President Clinton's best efforts to rein in the Republican Congress."

"Gas prices are high because of Bush and the Republican Congress."


29 posted on 04/22/2006 10:34:28 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: agedav
and living creature tissue.

Like that alien crystal said, we are ugly bags of mostly water.
30 posted on 04/22/2006 10:35:57 PM PDT by Rastus
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