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Ukrainian skinheads stab Jew
YNet ^ | April 23, 2006 | Miri Chason

Posted on 04/23/2006 9:02:47 AM PDT by Alouette

Thugs mark Hitler's birthday by attacking, stabbing Safed yeshiva students marking Passover in Ukraine

An emissary of the Union of Jewish Communities in Russia was the target of an attack by skinheads Saturday evening in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, Ynet has learned.

The man, Haim Gorbov, who studies at a Safed yeshiva, returned to Ukraine as part of a Seder organized by the Union of Jewish Communities in Russia and the former Soviet Union. After Gorbov's condition improved he was released from hospital.

It appears a gang of skinheads in the city sought to mark Hitler's birthday, April 20, by attacking a Jew. Dnepropetrovsk's Chief Rabbi Shmuel Kamintzky said that at first the skinheads tried to attack a group of yeshiva students in the city center, between the synagogue and the yeshiva in which they studied. They managed to escape, however, and the thugs then set upon the 20-year-old Gorbov.

Gorbov, who has Ukrainian citizenship, studied at the Or Avner school and after graduating arrived in Israel in order to study at a yeshiva in Safed. Rabbi Kamintzky said that at first the thugs struck him with a bottle on his head, but when they realized that the hat he was wearing was protecting him against serious injury they stabbed him in the chest and fled.

The President of the Union of Jewish Communities in Russia and the Soviet Union, Lev Laviev, called on the Ukrainian government not to be satisfied with another investigation into an attack on Jews after they take place.

"The rise in anti-Semitic activity demands immediate and determined preventative action. Whoever doesn't invest in fighting skinheads who are attacking minorities will have to deal with them when they increase the level of violence towards the whole of Ukrainian society," said Laviev.

Two months ago security guards thwarted a stabbing attack on the central synagogue in Kiev, Ukraine. The incident took place when a 65 year-old man arrived at the synagogue and asked to meet the rabbis. While speaking to the guards, the man pulled out a knife and said that all Jews should be killed.

The guards overpowered the attacker and handed him over to the police.

Meanwhile, Dnepropetrovsk's Chief of Police Alexander Beveilov, who is himself Jewish and who took part in the Passover Seder organized by the Jewish community in the city, promised Rabbi Kamintzky that police would hunt down the skinheads responsible for the attack.

Jewish Agency head Ze'ev Bielsky said that "we are at a situation 60 years after the Holocaust where Jews in Ukraine and Russia live under nonstop harassment.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: hitler; skinhead; ukraine

1 posted on 04/23/2006 9:02:50 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 04/23/2006 9:03:13 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119 1:96)
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To: Alouette

Thugs, and cowards.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 9:07:18 AM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav
Just wrapping up nearly 4 months teaching at a Christian University and at a seminary here in Kiev.

This guy is the EXCEPTION to the norm. I have not witnessed or heard or even experienced any anti-Semitism (I am an Italian/American that looks Jewish). Ironically, the media will splash this all over the front page while totally ignoring the real threats to the Jews: Hamas, PA, and Iran with their nuclear weapons program and their stated goal to blow the Jews to bits, but hey that is just "Bush overreacting."

4 posted on 04/23/2006 9:54:25 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Alouette
These morons have it backwards.

As a very small percentage of world population, the Jews have contributed a disproportionate percentage of progress in science, economics, commerce, medicine, music, literature and the arts.

The Ukrainians, being a part of Western civilization should be more concerned with the fascist plans of Islam towards we, the endangered "infidels" of Western civilization rather than the minuscule number of Jews left in Eastern Europe.
5 posted on 04/23/2006 10:00:03 AM PDT by garyhope
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6 posted on 04/23/2006 10:04:39 AM PDT by Wiz
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7 posted on 04/23/2006 10:05:45 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Alouette

I guess some things haven't changed..


8 posted on 04/23/2006 10:11:59 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: garyhope
During and after WWII, the Ukrainian people joyfully killed thousands of Jews for the German Swine. They are among the most anti-Jewish hateful people on earth.
9 posted on 04/23/2006 10:14:12 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name, His Son Yahshua Messiah is coming soon!)
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To: Lewite
You are definitely one of the most friendly...
10 posted on 04/23/2006 10:16:55 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Alouette

Was there a Wedding Cake involved?


11 posted on 04/23/2006 10:29:54 AM PDT by tupac (Just wondered.)
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To: garyhope

As a very small percentage of world population, the Jews have contributed a disproportionate percentage of progress in science, economics, commerce, medicine, music, literature and the arts.==

It is because they live in other countries and no need to defend it. In Israel jews progress as any other nation on Earth. Not better not worse.
Maybe it is better for jews truly jews of cause to live in home country?


12 posted on 04/23/2006 10:47:34 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Lewite

During and after WWII, the Ukrainian people joyfully killed thousands of Jews for the German Swine. They are among the most anti-Jewish hateful people on earth.==

Same was early during polish-ukranian wars of 17th century. Cossacks of Khmelnitskii killed almost all jews in Ukraine.
They hated jews as oppressors even more then poles. Lot later when they were in Russian Empire all the jewish "pogroms" happened in ukranian and moldovians towns.
WHY? Do you know the answer?

I see it like the multiculturism failure. It failed in 17, 18, 19 century. And today.


13 posted on 04/23/2006 10:52:34 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Alouette

Its a sad day when one "untermensch" celebrates Hitler's birthday by stabbing a fellow "untermensch" !


14 posted on 04/23/2006 10:52:54 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: RusIvan

You ask why the Jews in Russia and elsewhere have been the target of pogroms and near genocide?
Another poster implied the answer-jealousy.The Jewish people have excelled in so many endeavors.The less successful resented their talents and reacted violently under the guise they were protecting their country from some nebulous"Jewish Conspiracy".


15 posted on 04/23/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: RusIvan
I will most likely get in trouble for my answer, but I feel the religion of those people is responsible for instilling the hatred for all things Hebrew.
16 posted on 04/23/2006 10:59:30 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: Lewite

Joyfully? Or did the Nazis play off the "subhuman" Slavs (Ukrainians) against the Jews? Or, pray tell, what is the history of the secular Jews (atheists) in the Communist party apparatus that helped instrument the "collectivization" programs in the Ukraine thereby creating the forced death by starvation of 7 million Ukrainians during the 1930's, or so it's been said? I don't know what the truth is, maybe you can provide some light on this matter; I've heard several stories from several sides on this sordid relationship and don't know what to believe.


17 posted on 04/23/2006 11:05:14 AM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: Riverman94610

The Jewish people have excelled in so many endeavors. The less successful resented their talents and reacted violently under the guise they were protecting their country from some nebulous"Jewish Conspiracy".==

Let look on Israel. Why there are rich people and poor people, talented people and not talanted. So same way as in any other country?

But if we look into other country we see jewish community which is "fat" and poor people of native origin? Why 2 jews in Russia like Berezovskii and Khodorkovskii stole nation wealth by bribing the goverment beurocrates and no voices of condemnation from jewsih community of Russia? Why they did that in Russia. And no such things in Israel?

Answer is simple. Because Israel is thier home country but Russia (or Ukraine or else) is just place for profitteering. They do not feel attached to other country then Israel. I may understand it since they are jewish they should be attached to Israel not to Russia.
But for Russia or other country it isn't good when there are alien by ethnicity people who do not attach to her just use her for thier profitteering. Isn't it right?

So my conslusion. It is not jelousy but resentment. Anyways if man is real jew that according his religion he HAS to live in Israel.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 11:14:09 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

It is because they live in other countries and no need to defend it. In Israel jews progress as any other nation on Earth. Not better not worse.




What kinda cr@p is this?

I am Jewish AND serving in the USAF. In fact, I just tested for Master Sergeant and fully expect to make it a career.

Jew's don't defend their country... bullcr@p!

Not to mention the other cr@p of assuming that Jews don't consider the country they were born in as 'home'. They just live there, like a guest.

More bullcr@p!


19 posted on 04/23/2006 11:28:48 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: rageaholic

Its even a more sad day when an "untermensch" stabs the wrong one. It would have been A-OK if it was haji baba instead.


20 posted on 04/23/2006 11:34:06 AM PDT by John Frum
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To: RusIvan

Plenty Zhids died fighting for Mother Russia.


21 posted on 04/23/2006 11:37:03 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: RusIvan

You know, all my great-grandparents had to flee your pogroms... and from what I've been able to learn, at least one of them was just a tailor. Obviously, you think that a tailor is an 'oppressor', justifying the Ukrainian progroms that forced him to leave.

And my grandfather fought in WWII as a US Army minesweeper in Europe. (whoops, Jews aren't supposed to fight for the country they live in, because it's not really their home)

Not to mention my father, who served in the USAF during Vietnam...

Or myself.


22 posted on 04/23/2006 11:42:36 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: RusIvan

But if we look into other country we see jewish community which is "fat" and poor people of native origin? Why 2 jews in Russia like Berezovskii and Khodorkovskii stole nation wealth by bribing the goverment beurocrates and no voices of condemnation from jewsih community of Russia? Why they did that in Russia. And no such things in Israel?

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When's the last time your church apologized for the actions of any corrupt Christian official?

Hate to break it to you, but the Jews of the Ukraine and Russia are not some 'johnny come lately' needing to prove their loyalty. They've lived in both countries since their beginnings.

Jews live in the Kievan Rus... and shared it's fate when the Mongols came.


23 posted on 04/23/2006 11:47:24 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: RusIvan
Lot later when they were in Russian Empire all the jewish "pogroms" happened in ukranian and moldovians towns.
WHY? Do you know the answer?

A) Pogroms were state organized- the capital of the state being in Moscow. It was executed by the officers, soldiers and policemen- the Black Hundreds, not the average villager or urbanite who had Jews for neighbours.

B) Sure I know why the pogroms happened in Ukraine and not in Russia. Because the enlightened Russian Imperial government had something called the Pale of Settlement - which controlled Jewish movements and didn't allowed them to live in Russia. Jews didn't live in Russia- there weren't any Jews for Russians to kill.

24 posted on 04/23/2006 8:20:24 PM PDT by Mazepa
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To: RusIvan

Really? when did you become a rabbi? BTW, Russia was settled by the Rus from Sweden. Perhaps you should move to Stockholm..


25 posted on 04/23/2006 8:34:52 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: RusIvan

Do you belong to Pamyat? Come on, you can admit it!


26 posted on 04/23/2006 8:38:32 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: RusIvan
Let look on Israel. Why there are rich people and poor people, talented people and not talanted. So same way as in any other country?
In any group of people, some will do better than others. The competition is just greater.

But if we look into other country we see jewish community which is "fat" and poor people of native origin? Why 2 jews in Russia like Berezovskii and Khodorkovskii stole nation wealth by bribing the goverment beurocrates and no voices of condemnation from jewsih community of Russia? Why they did that in Russia. And no such things in Israel?
They took advantage of the corruption and bad laws in Perestroika and afterwards. Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky gave a lot of money to the Jewish community.
Israel has property rights and is less corrupt than Russia.
As for the Jewish community in Russia, there are rich an poor. However, since Ashkenazy Jews culturally value education and on average have a higher IQ, they tend to do better.

27 posted on 04/23/2006 9:15:41 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Mazepa

A) Pogroms were state organized- the capital of the state being in Moscow. ==

Sit down "2":). Go learn history:).


28 posted on 04/24/2006 1:05:44 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: gogogodzilla

Not to mention the other cr@p of assuming that Jews don't consider the country they were born in as 'home'. ==

America I count out. Because America is ONLY unique country where any ethnicity (jews or russians) may feel itself home.
Any other country on Earth INCLUDING Israel is ethnical country.

So I hail jews in Israel and russians in Russia. And both of them in America:).


29 posted on 04/24/2006 1:11:52 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
They hated jews as oppressors even more then poles. Lot later when they were in Russian Empire all the jewish "pogroms" happened in ukranian and moldovians towns. WHY? Do you know the answer?

Because Russians forbid Jews to live in Russia and confined them to "the Pale". Then used classic imperialist tactic of playing off one group against another to keep their own power in place. THATS why.
30 posted on 04/24/2006 1:13:20 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: rmlew

However, since Ashkenazy Jews culturally value education and on average have a higher IQ, they tend to do better.==

Russians value education too. My both parents graduated from univercities. SO am I and my sister. Now my nephews and my daugther attend univercities of their choice.
So we not jews but cherish higher education.

The difference of Berazovskii and Khodorkovskii and me that they both live in Russia as guests but I as host. So I cann't do some things to Russia as they allow themselves to do. But I'm sure they won't do those things to Israel like I cann't to do them to Russia. It is obviously because they are jews but I'm russian.


31 posted on 04/24/2006 1:18:01 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Kozak

Because Russians forbid Jews to live in Russia and confined them to "the Pale".==

Yeah? Are you sure? What about the Khmelnistkii "pogroms". IS Russia again guilty of those?

You knwo seems like you want to clense your reputation and accuse others of your wrongdoings.


32 posted on 04/24/2006 1:19:57 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
How on earth can you claim that the Jews in the Ukraine "oppressed" the Cossacks and that is the reason for the pogroms?
33 posted on 04/24/2006 1:25:04 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: RusIvan

Not at all. Some Ukrainians are guilty as charged. But it's a fact that the Pogroms of the 18th and 19th century were instigated by the Czarist regime as a classic imperialist tool. Rile up the peasants against the Jews, use that fear to control the Jews. Who wrote the "Protocols of Zion"?

I myself have had many a heated argument with friends and relatives on the topic, and antisemitism sickens me. I've stated here that for Ukraine to have any hope of a successful future they MUST put aside all the old hatreds and prejudice.


34 posted on 04/24/2006 1:26:03 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Mazepa; All

B) Sure I know why the pogroms happened in Ukraine and not in Russia. Because the enlightened Russian Imperial government had something called the Pale of Settlement - which controlled Jewish movements and didn't allowed them to live in Russia. Jews didn't live in Russia- there weren't any Jews for Russians to kill.==

Mazepa did you listen yourself what accually you just said?

You just said that jews were to be "pogromed" in Ukraine or anywhere where they lived beacuse they just live there. No matter else. You just said that jews was "hated by anyone" then to be "pogromed" by anyone.
So ukranians are not guilty of thier "pogroms' but it is Russia' imperial goverment which "compelled" ukranians to live together with jews.

It is extreme anti-semitic ideas, isn't it?

BTW it wasn't Russia' goverment who dwelled jews in territory of Ukraine. I thought it was Rzhech Pospolita who did it. And Cossacks of Khemnitskii pogromed jews BEFORE they even asked to join Russia.

So do NOT accuse Russa of your OWN wrongdoings!


35 posted on 04/24/2006 1:27:45 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Most Jews living in Russia were poor.

The Cossacks weren't poor, now were they? Nope, that's not what they were.

Jews, in the Diaspora, before there even was a glimmer of hope that Israel would be theirs again, were not all wealthy; few were wealthy.

Jews have lived in America since colonial times. During that entire history, there have been wealthy Jews, middle class Jews, and poor Jews.

Are "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" still being sold as "fact" to you?

36 posted on 04/24/2006 1:32:07 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

How on earth can you claim that the Jews in the Ukraine "oppressed" the Cossacks and that is the reason for the pogroms?==

It is not me who claims it. It is Khmelnitskii cossacks who claimed it. Those claims is noted by thier historians.

They complained that jews was "factors" (means the
managers) of polish landlords. And Ukranian cossacks was double exploited by polish landlord and jews.
Jews held alckogol trades in Ukraine and sped alhogolism between them. And jews gave the money under high interest so created poverty.
It is not my words but the words of ukranian historians.


37 posted on 04/24/2006 1:33:39 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

You go learn some factual history...you've been lied to.


38 posted on 04/24/2006 1:34:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Are "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" still being sold as "fact" to you?==

It was falsified book. I do not beleive it. I know many jews personally. My aunt is jewish. SO my cousins are jewish too.
But I think that interethnical differences exist. And the problem will be there.
IMHO Jews in Russia has only 2 options: to assimilate compeletely and become russians (many did) or emigrate (many did). Or live under possibility interethnical trouble. Some continue because they make money in Russia.


39 posted on 04/24/2006 1:38:50 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
You've been lied to and propagandized.

There are people on this thread, whose family history says otherwise. And ALL books, available outside of what was once the USSR corroborate their posts. You weren't alive, when these things happened, neither were the posters, but their family members were and they have NO reason to lie; unlike the sources you are using.

What's the excuse for the terrible alcoholism, in the 1930s through today, then? Isn't what you're saying, just an excuse? The Jews, of old, held guns to the heads of those old Cossacks and made then drink, did they? They did it to Rasputin too, I assume, based on your egregious post.

What a load of garbage!

Oh yes, the old "money lender" canard, I see. So now, let me get this straight....ALL Jews in the Ukraine were rich, they oppressed the bloody Cossacks, they forced Christian to become alcoholics, and they also bleed them dry with usury. Except for the alcoholism bit, that's all right out of "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION", which is nothing but lies.

They ARE your words,now, because you've posted them and they are all libelous, erroneous, spurious drivel.

40 posted on 04/24/2006 1:45:32 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: RusIvan
So, your cousins' relatives, way back when, were all rich, made all of the Cossacks alcoholics, and lent money at exorbitant rates, did they?

At least you know that "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" is garbage. That's a start.

By assimilate, do you mean become Christian? But that can't be, because you say that your Aunt is a Jewess.

Yes, many Russian Jews left; when they were able to. But after WWII, until quite recently, the USSR wouldn't allow many to do so.

Do you mean unethical? There isn't an English word "interethical".

There are good and bad in all nations, races, and religious groups' always have been.

41 posted on 04/24/2006 1:52:24 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

By assimilate, do you mean become Christian? But that can't be, because you say that your Aunt is a Jewess.==

She did. But my cousins assimilated. They turned to become russian. They after all were half-russian already.

Do you mean unethical? There isn't an English word "interethical".==

Sorry it was my mistyping: I meant "inter-ethNical". I lost the letter "n":).

I think I will silence now.

Just one thing. It is NOT me who say things about Khmelnistskii "pogroms". It is their historians explained them that way.


42 posted on 04/24/2006 1:58:14 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
I'm not quite certain that the fact that English is not your mother tongue, is the real problem here. But there is a problem.

Converting to Christianity doesn't make your cousins Russians. They were born there and I assume that many generations of their family were likewise born there. That and that ALONE, makes then Russians; NOT any religion.

In English the word "assimilation" means that the person takes on the culture and the language of the nation that person has emigrated to. It does not mean that they convert to some religion or other. Russian Jews and Russian Orthodox, alike, who immigrated to America, in the past, assimilated, but neither had to convert to Protestantism to do so.

I'm sorry to say that there is still something amiss with the word interethnical. I looked for it in two dictionaries and it doesn't exist.

The historians you are using as a source...LIED.

Good night............

43 posted on 04/24/2006 2:13:47 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: RusIvan
Sit down "2":).

what's "2"?

You just said that jews were to be "pogromed" in Ukraine or anywhere where they lived beacuse they just live there. No matter else. You just said that jews was "hated by anyone" then to be "pogromed" by anyone.

There's nothing wrong with my argument. You said pogroms only happened in Ukraine, I said if Jews were allowed to live in Russia, they would have pogroms there too.

Pogroms were state organized- Ukrainian lands in the Austrian Empire (Galicia, Bukovyna, Transcarpathia) were peaceful. My town- Chernivtsi- is the perfect example.

So ukranians are not guilty of thier "pogroms' but it is Russia' imperial goverment which "compelled" ukranians to live together with jews.

All that is needed is to look at who the pogromshchiki were- it was not the general population. It was the conservative monarchist societies, Russian nationalist in character, like the Black Hundreds who were responsible.

I watched "Fiddler on the roof" not long ago (funny movie)- same story as what I'm saying.

And Cossacks of Khemnitskii pogromed jews BEFORE they even asked to join Russia.

So do NOT accuse Russa of your OWN wrongdoings!

I don't consider Khmelnytsky's actions as pogroms (which I define as conscious and planned implementations). In the Khmel. revolt, rich versus poor, Jews were on the wrong side of the war, they were allied with Poles and had died along with the Poles.

45 posted on 04/24/2006 11:59:08 AM PDT by Mazepa
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To: Mazepa

I don't consider Khmelnytsky's actions as pogroms (which I define as conscious and planned implementations). ==

Khmel cossacks cut throats of jewish women and children and burn alive men in synagoges. It is not "pogroms" you rights it is massarce.
You repeated such massarce later in 1943 in Volyn. And in that case in was agaiunst poles and it was galitsians the perpetrators. DO not forget.


46 posted on 04/25/2006 1:07:48 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
My family is not Jewish, however for the record my Uncle was fighting Hitler for the French Foreign Legion during WWII, because he just immigrated to France from Poland real close to the Ukrainian border. Anyway his unit was captured by the Germans and they were taken as POW's my Uncle because he was Russian/Ukrainian ended up in Auschwitz while his comrades ended up in a regular POW camp. My point is that there is more to the story that meets the eye. One thing that I would love to read up about is Polish-German relations before and after both World Wars.
47 posted on 04/25/2006 5:41:47 AM PDT by peter the great
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To: RusIvan
Actually what you are saying is incorrect. The Communists disbanded the Cossacks shortly after they took over in 1917.
48 posted on 04/25/2006 5:44:50 AM PDT by peter the great
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To: RusIvan
Khmel cossacks cut throats of jewish women and children and burn alive men in synagoges. It is not "pogroms" you rights it is massarce.

It was war and both sides committed atrocities. There are similar Ukrainian horror stories about the Polish acts (ex. Vyshnevetsky).

You repeated such massarce later in 1943 in Volyn. And in that case in was agaiunst poles and it was galitsians the perpetrators.

It amuses me very much when Russians mention the Volyn massacre. Why? because Russians don't care about what happens to Poles. This concern for the Poles is a fakery. The more dead Poles- the better. Isn't that a Russian motto? :) So, c'mon, let's be real.
You didn't ask for it, and I'm not giving you/Russians a permission ;) to talk about Volyn'.

WW2 is a very sensitive period in Ukrainian-Polish relations. Atrocities (followed by subsequent reprisals) were committed by both sides. After decades of stubborn pointing fingers at each other, there's finally some hope for mutual forgiveness.

49 posted on 04/25/2006 3:15:52 PM PDT by Mazepa
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