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Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)
AP ^ | April 26, 2006 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.

Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.

The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; bushhaters; citzenship; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; openborders; sellout
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To: Fledermaus

Kind of difficult separate the ideas of the man from the site...but convenient I guess.


351 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:32 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: TAdams8591
Immediately after 9/11 was the perfect time to secure the borders, as part of the WOT. It was a missed opportunity.

Agreed; no crystal balls needed.

352 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:36 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Mo1

"Wow, that is one of the most intelligent posts I've ever seen on Free Republic. I stand in awe of your finely honed logic"

[Something that will never be said about your posts]

That's your first post to me, the implication being I'm an idiot. Howlin and you started the cracks, without reference to immigration, and I am swift on the retribution. You have yet to respond to a single thing I've said on immigration.


353 posted on 04/26/2006 8:42:25 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: CWOJackson
but convenient I guess.

ROFLMAO.

354 posted on 04/26/2006 8:42:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: COEXERJ145

Well, I was wondering when the first Bushbot would show up and start maligning conservatives. Sounds like the half dozen of them or so on here are getting a little slower policing threads for anti-Bush sentiment with every bad decision el Presidente makes.


355 posted on 04/26/2006 8:43:36 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Junior_G
"So, how are the anti-borders folks spinning this unsurprising revelation?"

Just read this thread, they're all here.
356 posted on 04/26/2006 8:44:14 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: FastCoyote
To: shhrubbery!
You know the rules. When speaking of another poster, make sure you ping that poster.
1,078 posted on 03/19/2005 7:05:24 PM EST by Lead Moderator
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357 posted on 04/26/2006 8:44:31 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: Old_Mil
Bushbot: anyone who cannot find six new reasons to hate President Bush by noon each day.

True Conservative: someone who can.

Real Conservative: someone who can think up twenty by noon and thinks a "true conservative" is a Bushbot.

358 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:09 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Old_Mil

Obviously you have nothing to contribute except cheap personal attacks.


359 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:17 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: CWOJackson

Just conveying what is written:

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360 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:44 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Bush administration and the GOP Congress have proven to be totally incompetent.)
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To: Howlin

"Plenty of people at this web site are working to make sure that happens." No, plenty of people here yearn for a principled conservative that earns their trust and belief he will uphold the things about the country they revere, and in many cases, have fought and spilled blood for. Whistling past the graveyard, perhaps, but just maybe Lucy won't jerk the football away next time.


361 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:50 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Prokopton



Name them.
Name the people here who are FOR open borders.


362 posted on 04/26/2006 8:46:05 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: FastCoyote
Howlin and you started the cracks, without reference to immigration

Can you link the rule that says we are FORCED to respond to you, period, much less discuss any one topic?

And don't discuss me again without pinging me.

363 posted on 04/26/2006 8:46:19 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FastCoyote

Again .. I didn't call you a name

I just made an observation


364 posted on 04/26/2006 8:47:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Fledermaus

It also has fewer calories then other sites, which doesn't change the actual comments and intentions, as stated by, the founder and operator.


365 posted on 04/26/2006 8:47:15 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: nicmarlo
I'll let my post #330 speak for itself as to whom it is making opinions and asking rhetorical questions rather than stating the facts.

You ask me a rhetorical question grounded in hyperbole that doesn't logically follow from my statement.

I respond in kind.

My statement remains unaddressed by you.

366 posted on 04/26/2006 8:49:12 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: CWOJackson

Now, the fact that Jim himself has declared his personal belief we need to elect more Republicans does not conflict with the mission statement.

Everyone with half a brain knows the only way, albeit not very effective as of late, to advance the conservative position is only through electing Republicans. It's hard work and will take more time but if we can get some real leaders again we can succeed.

Frankly, the pickings for 2008 are looking bleak.


367 posted on 04/26/2006 8:49:24 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Bush administration and the GOP Congress have proven to be totally incompetent.)
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To: CWOJackson

Taste great!


368 posted on 04/26/2006 8:49:53 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Bush administration and the GOP Congress have proven to be totally incompetent.)
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To: FreeReign

As I said, I'll let my post #330 speak for itself. Thanks.


369 posted on 04/26/2006 8:50:28 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Howlin
Were you one of those "support Harriet Miers or Pelosi will be Speaker Of The House" type posters back in the day?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you were one and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other non enforcement types posting in this thread were big supporters of hers.

Here's hoping they fail on amnesty like they failed on Miers and the principled conservatives will save the day again.

370 posted on 04/26/2006 8:51:26 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Fledermaus
"Everyone with half a brain knows the only way, albeit not very effective as of late, to advance the conservative position is only through electing Republicans."

You just called a lot of Freepers half-wits. Now that IS against the posted rules.

371 posted on 04/26/2006 8:51:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Fledermaus
Free Republic is not affiliated with any political party, group, news source, government agency or anyone else.

The word "affiliated" has various meanings. How do you thing it is being used in the above statement?

372 posted on 04/26/2006 8:51:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: bobwilgo
Now you'll tell everybody you have never,never,never...broken a pledge

I never made a public pledge to 625,000 people, like Tancredo did.

Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was the only congressman who actually kept that pledge.

Term limits are stupid, and people who make term limit pledges on their own are super-stupid.

373 posted on 04/26/2006 8:52:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: FastCoyote
"It's their responsibility to show documentation. They are not citizens, the same rules don't apply. In practice, it isn't all that hard, if you barely speek English, you've got no papers, you can't site where your birthplace and birth certificate are, etc., etc. you are gone."

Yes, it is their responsibility to show documentation the same way it's anyones responsibility to show a drivers license when pulled over.

Correct, the same rules don't apply but all persons in this country, documented or undocumented, are afforded adjudication.

If you don't know where they're from or who they are, where are you going to deport them to?


"How about this question, say I'm an American who committed a crime, but refused to show any documentation."
Two different crimes, the crime its self and failure to provide name then a possibility of obstruction.


"Under your scenario, undocumentation would have greater privileges than documentation, we'd need a new trial for every crook who claimed to be John Smith."
Not greater privileges just more complexity. First you need proof of a crime then knowledge of whom you charge. The problem with illegal immigration is they're both in the same.


"In fact, that is the case now, but only for illegals."
No it's not, every single day someone gives a false name and B-Day then the police let walk away if there's no other proof of a crime.

"Why can't I tell the traffic cop I'm Jesus, give him a false address and skate indefinitely? The illegals do on a regular basis."
You can and if you have knowledge of other info. you walk. The illegals have info pools that they can draw a name, Drivers License Numbers, addresses, phone numbers, etc. from then give it to law enforcement. They'll get a ticket for failure to have a license on them but they walk.
374 posted on 04/26/2006 8:52:55 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: onyx

"Name the people here who are FOR open borders."

Just read the posts of those who support President Bush's past and present open border policy.


375 posted on 04/26/2006 8:52:57 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Howlin; Mo1

Neither of you have anything to say on immigration, just a bunch of innuendo. So, goodbye


376 posted on 04/26/2006 8:53:50 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Prokopton

Not good enough and a false assetion and accustion.

Not one poster on this thread is FOR open borders.


377 posted on 04/26/2006 8:54:37 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: FastCoyote

Later dude!


378 posted on 04/26/2006 8:55:18 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: nicmarlo
As I said, I'll let my post #330 speak for itself. Thanks.

No problem.

As I said:

You asked me a rhetorical question grounded in hyperbole that doesn't logically follow from my statement.

I responded in kind.

My statement remains unaddressed by you.

Thanks.

379 posted on 04/26/2006 8:55:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: WayneM

The only thing that can be done is to start replacing the liberal republicans with Tancredo republicans in the primaries in states where they have a chance, replace 'moderate' democrats with Tancredo-like conservative 3rd party that way the GOP does not gain power out of the democrat losses.


380 posted on 04/26/2006 8:55:43 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Prokopton
Just read the posts of those who support President Bush's past and present open border policy.

Bush doesn't have an open border policy.

381 posted on 04/26/2006 8:57:01 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign


Facts don't matter.


382 posted on 04/26/2006 8:59:37 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: FreeReign

"Bush doesn't have an open border policy."

Allowing about a million illegal aliens a year to invade our country each year, during his entire term, sure doesn't sound like a secure border policy.


383 posted on 04/26/2006 9:02:52 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: onyx; Prokopton
Not one poster on this thread is FOR open borders.

Yes, I don't recall seeing any open borders posters. But let's not leave any question about it for Prokopton.

All in favor of open borders please reply to this post.

(For bandwidth considerations, don't everybody respond at once)

384 posted on 04/26/2006 9:03:16 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Bush doesn't have an open border policy

You only have to listen to him speak on the issue of the border. His response is that family values do NOT stop at the Rio Grande.

Another response to a secure the border statement Bush replies with a "they just want to put bread on the table for their families"

And if that does not convince you he called the Minutemen "vigilantes" and the last I knew the Minutemen were not setting up their chairs in the immigration offices dictating which visas are good and which visas are not...they are watching the border!

385 posted on 04/26/2006 9:03:35 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: FreeReign


ROTFLMAO!
Excellent. Absolutely excellent.


386 posted on 04/26/2006 9:04:56 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: Prokopton
Bush doesn't have an open border policy.

Allowing about a million illegal aliens a year to invade our country each year, during his entire term, sure doesn't sound like a secure border policy.

I'm not sure if one million is a correct figure.

I do know that CBP arrested 1.2 million illegal aliens at the border in FY2005.

That doesn't sound like an "open border". We should try to characterize the border situation without hyperbole.

387 posted on 04/26/2006 9:06:43 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Methinks thou protesteth too much.


388 posted on 04/26/2006 9:08:34 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: FreeReign

There you go again with the facts.


389 posted on 04/26/2006 9:08:48 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I smell a sell out Rat coming big time.

These beltway pols are going to do what ever they want and hope that the voters are to stupid to remember come November how they were screwed by THEIR elected folks.

I hope everyone of these turds that vote for amnesty in any form get a snoot full of no votes come November.

Democrat politicians are lower than the sewer rats they muck dive with in that cesspool called the DNC.


390 posted on 04/26/2006 9:08:49 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: FastCoyote
Amnesty: Trojan pinata

These blind-folded, open border apologists will be in for a big surprise- after they regain their balance from the 'spinning' on the right/left and start swinging their sticks. It won't be candy, but communism- neatly wrapped in bite-sized pieces falling all over the place.

I gotta ask my association if we can approve bigger gates on my already 'gated' community.

391 posted on 04/26/2006 9:09:00 PM PDT by budwiesest (I don't do that kind of diversity.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
You only have to listen to him speak on the issue of the border. His response is that family values do NOT stop at the Rio Grande. Another response to a secure the border statement Bush replies with a "they just want to put bread on the table for their families" And if that does not convince you he called the Minutemen "vigilantes" and the last I knew the Minutemen were not setting up their chairs in the immigration offices dictating which visas are good and which visas are not...they are watching the border!

Bush's CBP arrested 1.2 million illegal aliens at the border in FY2005.

Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes.

Bush doesn't have an open border policy.

392 posted on 04/26/2006 9:09:52 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Prokopton; FreeReign
Methinks thou protesteth too much.

Methinks thou posts falsehoods, so I guess we're even.

393 posted on 04/26/2006 9:10:39 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: FreeReign
I do know that CBP arrested 1.2 million illegal aliens at the border in FY2005

Obviously 1.2 million was not enough. LOL

Are they still waiting for their day in court?

394 posted on 04/26/2006 9:11:18 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: onyx
Not one poster on this thread is FOR open borders

It won't stop them from making it up

395 posted on 04/26/2006 9:11:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: FreeReign

And the point of repeating yourself is for....your own reading amusement? To see yourself in print? I'm at a loss, otherwise, as repeating your opinions doesn't make more true your unsubstantiated opinion that "the reason employer enforcement/arrests decreased is because border enforcement funding increased."

The facts I've posted contradict your opinions.

The point of this article: "Bush favors bestowing citizenship upon illegals." This, I said (in an earlier post), comes as no surprise. The reason? FACT 1: he hasn't secured the borders, FACT 2: he has slashed the budget for Border Patrol Agents, and FACT 3: employer arrests have decreased during his term.

And because actions really do speak louder than words, I am not surprised by the statements in this article.

Now, if you have evidence that the facts I've posted are incorrect, please feel free to post it and I'll read it. Otherwise, your unsubstantiated opinion/conclusion as to why employer arrests/enforcement has decreased under his presidency is just that, unsubstantiated opinion.


396 posted on 04/26/2006 9:12:10 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: FreeReign
"Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes."

But Lou Dobbs said he did so it must be true.
397 posted on 04/26/2006 9:12:13 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Mo1

Correct!
Facts don't matter.


398 posted on 04/26/2006 9:13:23 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: Mo1
Lou Dobbs said Bush is for open borders so it must be true. sarc
399 posted on 04/26/2006 9:13:33 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: FreeReign
I wonder why President Bush has been singled out in this issue. I don't see a single person attacking the President also demanding that their own state take action.

To say it's the federal government's job to protect the border and give an utter and complete pass to the state governments who are causing the problem, is BS.

If I lived in California the first thing I'd be trying to change is the local and state laws that facilitate the illegals. Would they be coming to California in such numbers if:

- the could not qualify for any government benefits

- if they had to produce proof of citizenship for any government action and failing so would be arrested and turned over to the INS

- If their children were not allowed to go to school

- If they were denied any medical care beyond emergency room treatment accompanying with a call to the INS.

- If they had to provide proof of citizenship to vote, register vehicles, etc.

California makes it very attractive to an illegal...and we blame the President for that.

400 posted on 04/26/2006 9:14:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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