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Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)
AP ^ | April 26, 2006 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.

Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.

The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; bushhaters; citzenship; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; openborders; sellout
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To: pollyannaish


Facts don't matter.


451 posted on 04/26/2006 9:36:42 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes

Oh yes he did! Hmmm...now I question the truthfulness of all your other statements

Oh no he didn't. Now I question your objectivity, and your sources of news.

452 posted on 04/26/2006 9:36:52 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Prokopton
Just read this thread, they're all here.

Yikes...the illegal immigration apologists seem to have completely overtaken this thread.

453 posted on 04/26/2006 9:37:21 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: tobyhill
Your favorite Jimmy Carter for starters

And that makes you feel comfortable when the only name you can list who had a lower rating than Bush has is Carter? You feel good about that?

My God!

454 posted on 04/26/2006 9:37:41 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: FreeReign

Facts don't matter.


455 posted on 04/26/2006 9:38:14 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I don't need the Washington Post, AP, etc., to tell me what I've known for quite a well. From the moment he started referring to them as "guest workers", etc. (i.e. anybody but criminals, which is what they are), it was clear that he was "reaching out" the the criminals, I mean less fortunate.


456 posted on 04/26/2006 9:38:52 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: FreeReign
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.

Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm

457 posted on 04/26/2006 9:39:33 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: West Coast Conservative

I may never vote again.


458 posted on 04/26/2006 9:40:20 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: FreeReign
This was all hashed out in another thread a long time ago. Bush did in fact refer to the Minutemen as vigilantes, in response to a reporter's question to him about folks patrolling the southern border. You can do your own homework on it though...Google should bring you several links right away.

The last time I saw this come up, some of you folks finally conceded the point, but then started arguing that the Minutemen in fact are vigilantes so Bush was just "keeping it real".

459 posted on 04/26/2006 9:41:10 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: MaineVoter2002
There are a few. I think Truman was at 23 percent and he didn't seek another term.

However Bush has gone from 63 just before the election to middle 30's in less than two years.
460 posted on 04/26/2006 9:41:26 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: MaineVoter2002

Truman, Nixon, Bush Sr., LBJ, and just about a third of all Presidents in the history of the US.


461 posted on 04/26/2006 9:41:58 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: skip_intro
"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America"
462 posted on 04/26/2006 9:42:01 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: FreeReign
Please post a link to corroborate your initial claim (now greatly changed to include other things) that employer fines/arrests have decreased BECAUSE funding for Border Enforcement has increased.

You've posted full facts? Hardly.

Documentation required from me but not by you, though repeatedly asked? Fine. Here's some more (and I'd appreciate the courtesy if you would finally do the same, as asked for repeatedly regarding my first paragraph).

Bush budget scraps 9,790 border patrol agents
President uses law's escape clause to drop funding for new homeland security force

Michael Hedges, Houston Chronicle
Wednesday, February 9, 2005

....Officially approved by Bush on Dec. 17 after extensive bickering in Congress, the National Intelligence Reform Act included the requirement to add 10,000 border patrol agents in the five years beginning with 2006....

But Bush's proposed 2006 budget, revealed Monday, funds only 210 new border agents.

The shrunken increase reflects the lack of money for an army of border guards and the capacity to train them, officials said.

Senate Floor Speech
Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison
March 16, 2005

We are seeing an increase of 137 percent in immigrants who are from countries other than Mexico. These immigrants, which are called OTMs, "other than Mexicans," are coming into our country in the largest numbers we have ever seen. But due to a lack of resources, they are often caught and released, or they are not caught at all.

Recognizing our serious border vulnerability, Congress passed the intelligence reform bill last year and authorized an increase of 10,000 Border Patrol agents over 5 years. It included provisions to add 8,000 detention beds and 800 additional interior investigators. Unfortunately, the [President's] budget before us only allocated enough to cover 210 agents, 143 investigators, and 1,920 beds for detention.

The Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection recently said:

We do not have enough agents; we don't have enough technology to give us the security we need.

Let me give you some examples of recent happenings.

In Detroit, Mahmoud Youssef Kourani was indicted in the Eastern District of Michigan on one count of conspiracy to provide material support to Hezbollah. Kourani was already in custody for entering the country illegally through Mexico and was involved in fundraising activities on behalf of Hezbollah.

The two groups of Arab males were discovered by patrol guards from Willcox, AZ. One field agent said:

These guys didn't speak Spanish, and they were speaking to each other in Arabic. It's ridiculous that we don't take this more seriously. We're told not to say a thing to the media.

This is a field agent for the Border Patrol.

* * *
When I first came to Congress, we doubled our Border Patrol agents from 3,000 to 6,000. We were a country that was porous, both on the borders of Canada and Mexico. But, clearly, we have had more and more influx of illegal aliens that have become a burden in many parts of our country, and now we have a security threat from people who do not live on our borders but are using our borders as a conduit to come into our country. The examples that Senator Ensign and I have just mentioned, where we are finding Muslim prayer rugs and instructions in Arabic on how to cross the border of the Rio Grande River, are just wake-up calls that we cannot avoid. So we are, hopefully, going to have the support of Congress to add a full 2,000 Border Patrol agents.

But as important as it is to catch these people, we also need to be able to detain them. Today, many times, because we have no detention facilities, we will say to the people: You must promise to come back in 60 days for your hearing on illegally entering this country.

Well, guess how many come back. Ten percent come back for their hearing. What happened to the other 90 percent? We are finding them in places such as Vermont, New York, and Detroit, MI. That is what happened to them.


463 posted on 04/26/2006 9:43:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: FreeReign
I don't recall any threads demanding that the states and municipalities retract the laws that are making it so attractive for the illegals. For instance, back to California. The state and local governments are putting out the welcome mat. They guarantee the illegals that once they get here they can have government funded benefits, licenses, schooling for their kids, medical care...everything, without fear of even being asked their citizenship.

So the answer is for the President to stop them at the border? Seems to me if the state of California wasn't offering them such a nice benefits package it would be a lot easier to work on this problem.

464 posted on 04/26/2006 9:43:20 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
LOL. Yeah...and there was that terrible speech he penned on the back of a napkin with absolutely no forethought or planning, lets see...something about the world little noting and nor long remembering.

Yep, one of our most unpopular Presidents, despised still to this day by the majority of Americans.

Hey, maybe all is lost!

< insert giant eyeroll here >
465 posted on 04/26/2006 9:43:22 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: MaineVoter2002

are you for vigilantes in the United States of America ????


466 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:04 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: narby
Bush ran on "normalization" with illegal mexicans in 2000. I'm only amazed that his base forgot about it or thought he didn't mean it. Bush never says anything he doesn't mean.

That's true. I disagree with his policies but he does say what he means and acts on it. Much of the so called Bush Conservative agenda never was spoken by him and never existed to begin with.

He told everyone plainly before the election He and Mr Gore were not that far apart on most issues. He didn't lie about that one either. Still even that did not convince the voters as to what he stands for.

Bush in the 1960's would have been a LBJ Democrat. With each deal like this {I don't need the article to know Bush is pushing for citizenship for illegals} Bush makes achieving any form of conservative agenda an impossibility.

Any Conservative Republicans wishing reelection would do wise to distant themselves from the White House agenda omn immigration. Make no mistake about it if the GOP doesn't stand firm on no amnesty, go home and apply legally, and a secure border it will loose both houses 2006 & the Oval Office in 2008.

The only good coming from this debate is for those who don't sip the kool-aid it is exposing the globalist currently in both parties.

467 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Prokopton
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes.

Did you just forget, or what?

It's...or what.

The article you show simply quotes Bush as saying the word "vigilantes". If one wishes to show that Bush called the Minuteman vigilantes then one should show the full quote and the full context of the quote.

How unreasonable, huh?

468 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:44 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: onyx
Frustrating. I used to think that is what separated conservatives from others. Now I realize it is what separates the wheat from the tares.
469 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:48 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Junior_G

Stick around. Their emotional bantering and "head in the sand" spin is amusing.


470 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: MaineVoter2002
President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes
471 posted on 04/26/2006 9:44:52 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: CWOJackson

Facts don't matter.

Actually, under the governorship of Pete Wilson, CA passed a propostion that would have denied a lot of services to illegals, but a Carter appointed judge overturned it and then Gray Davis had his AG drop the appeal that Wilson's AG had filed.


472 posted on 04/26/2006 9:46:20 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

BTW, don't put claim words I wrote that I didn't.

"For starters" does not mean "only". What's the biggest city in Maine?


473 posted on 04/26/2006 9:46:41 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: skip_intro
Good job finding that link...that shut him up.
474 posted on 04/26/2006 9:46:47 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: NHFREE
Good job finding that link...that shut him up.

I doubt it.

475 posted on 04/26/2006 9:47:46 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: onyx

Well...those Rinos. See what they did!

; )


476 posted on 04/26/2006 9:47:50 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: skip_intro
"There aren't enough people on this site to elect a dog catcher in Snakes Navel, Wyoming."

Look y'all.....it's Dan Rather!

477 posted on 04/26/2006 9:47:58 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: pollyannaish

Regrettably, you're spot on with that assessment.


478 posted on 04/26/2006 9:48:33 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: underwiredsupport

Bush just lost the support that put him in office. A sad day to witness....IMO.
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Rush said it today, there are essentially three political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, against the CONSERVATIVES.


479 posted on 04/26/2006 9:48:47 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: onyx
but a Carter appointed judge overturned it and then Gray Davis had his AG drop the appeal that Wilson's AG had filed.

And yet .. I keep hearing how Democrats in office would be better for us

I have yet to figure out the logic of that one

480 posted on 04/26/2006 9:49:35 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: pollyannaish


LOL!


481 posted on 04/26/2006 9:49:39 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: Mo1
are you for vigilantes in the United States of America

The question is NOT what Im for or not for. The question is your credibility when you claimed Bush never called the "Minutemen" vigilantes and then your proof of that only proved Bush did call them vigilantes.

Now you change to subject to whether or not I am for vigilantes.

Im being dumbed down replying to your posts. You're way too easy. Not a typical Freeper. That's for sure

482 posted on 04/26/2006 9:49:57 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: FreeReign
The context of the quote seems to be well-known to everyone but you. At the time, it was obviously a reference to the Minutemen, in response to a reporter's question. But perhaps you think he was talking about Charles Bronson?

If you want to defend the President on the issue of illegal immigration, you should stick to debating the facts around immigration itself, rather than trying to falsely portray the President as somebody who is in any way tough on illegal immigration, or as somebody who isn't contemptuous of those who try to fight it.

483 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:29 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: skip_intro
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes

Thanks for the quotes.

They seem reasonable.

Let me know when you have something that contradicts my point.

Thanks!

484 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Mo1

Facts don't matter.

Haven't you heard there's not a dime's difference between the two parties?


485 posted on 04/26/2006 9:50:50 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: CWOJackson
California makes it very attractive to an illegal...and we blame the President for that.

Shirley you'll recall when Arnold made his statement about closing the borders, he came under intense media pressure, only to recant later and say that he only meant to suggest that we needed to keep track of the 'undocumented'.

It's the desire to get along with the leftists in the media and this state (California) that is a measures one's 'conservativeness'. Neither Arnold nor Bush have the cred to kick leftist ass.

The Left (by nature) is collective and cohesive on all things 'communitarian'. The right should be about the individual, the state, and the nation,--the sovereignty of each as defined by our laws.

486 posted on 04/26/2006 9:51:50 PM PDT by budwiesest (I don't do that kind of diversity.)
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To: skip_intro

"Good job finding that link...that shut him up."
"I doubt it."

You're right. See posts 441,450 and 468.


487 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:08 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: cva66snipe

I can't deny that Bush did make his agenda clear. If you notice nobody is calling him a liar, because its clear hes not. But hes not a conservative, so naturally conservatives are going to complain about his leadership.


488 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:28 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: Junior_G
This was all hashed out in another thread a long time ago. Bush did in fact refer to the Minutemen as vigilantes, in response to a reporter's question to him about folks patrolling the southern border. You can do your own homework on it though...Google should bring you several links right away. The last time I saw this come up, some of you folks finally conceded the point, but then started arguing that the Minutemen in fact are vigilantes so Bush was just "keeping it real".

Oh, I've been through it on many threads, but it's nice of you to assume I haven't.

I've done plenty of googling on the subject.

You should do more of it yourself.

489 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign


BTTT!
Gee, how I wish FACTS mattered.


490 posted on 04/26/2006 9:53:00 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Im being dumbed down replying to your posts.

LOL...that's what it's like responding to these folks. When your position ("Let's solve the illegal immigration problem by just calling them legal") is indefensible, your arguments will rarely sound intelligent.

491 posted on 04/26/2006 9:53:38 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: FreeReign

I see.

So in an article written about the Minutemen,

"President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes".

But that doesn't qualify in your book.

Whatever.


493 posted on 04/26/2006 9:55:16 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: CWOJackson
Seems to me if the state of California wasn't offering them such a nice benefits package it would be a lot easier to work on this problem.

Benefits? Like welfare? Isn't the party line that they all come to work?

494 posted on 04/26/2006 9:55:43 PM PDT by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Mo1

"are you for vigilantes in the United States of America ????"

The minute men aren't vigilantees, they look for crime then call the federal officers and report it.

Plus when our own government refuses to follow the law I would support vigilantes.


495 posted on 04/26/2006 9:55:47 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: FreeReign
Oh, I've been through it on many threads, but it's nice of you to assume I haven't.

Then why are you playing dumb now? It's not like it's going to persuade anyone that Bush wasn't referring to the Minutemen.

496 posted on 04/26/2006 9:56:18 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: MaineVoter2002
As I've stated earlier on this thread .. we've been through all this ... and some fail to post the actual transcript

Oh .. and thanks for not answering my question
497 posted on 04/26/2006 9:56:44 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: CWOJackson
Seems to me if the state of California wasn't offering them such a nice benefits package it would be a lot easier to work on this problem.

Benefits? Like welfare? Isn't the party line that they all come to work?

498 posted on 04/26/2006 9:57:28 PM PDT by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Junior_G

Wow, they're watching this thread closely. I have no idea what post 492 was, but it lasted about 2 seconds.


499 posted on 04/26/2006 9:57:33 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G
I have started several posts to you Junior, but decided against them. I do have three really important question for you however, and I am asking with all due respect.

What will a win look like for you on this issue? What is the strategy of those with your position to make it happen? When and how do you see it happening?

In all the threads on Illegal Immigration, I have yet to see those three questions addressed. I'm looking for the scenario that will make what you want happen.

Thanks in advance.
500 posted on 04/26/2006 9:57:39 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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