Posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.
Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.
Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.
At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.
The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.
Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.
"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I doubt that there are such people.
But I think that there are plenty of people here who would announce for open borders if W. did. And, they would claim that it was a brilliant move.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
I didn't say they were .. and neither did the president
YOU are the ones that keep claiming that
Geepers Skip. An article says something without giving the actual quotes and you except it as fact.
Whatever -- back at you skippy.
His reply: "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America"
This has NEVER been disputed. The Minutemen know it, Newsmax reported it. Rush Limbaugh also acknowledged it. Sean Hannity acknowledged it. Laura Ingraham acknowledged it. It is fact. He called them vigilantes.
So, come out of the closet. You can either stand by your weak arguement that Bush never called the Minutemen vigilantes or you can come out of that closet and just say what you really think which is you think the Minutemen ARE vigilantes.
Be proud of who you are.
Well, you have a point.
Thank God they don't represent anybody out in the real world.
Did anyone every ask ever the President if that was what he was talking about
Or did some just assume and put words into his mouth?
You're so "clintonesque"
So did you actually read my post #457 to you with an extended quote and a link to the article in the Washington Times?
If that's not good enough for you, nothing will be.
"Wow, they're watching this thread closely. I have no idea what post 492 was, but it lasted about 2 seconds."
I was responding to it when it was pulled. I didn't see anything controversial in it. Maybe I'm next?
You accused Bush of calling the Minutment vigliantes. It's up to you to prove it. So far you haven't.
What part of that are you too dopey to get?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .. you're funny
You're so "clintonesque"
You're so Dan Rather.
Bush wasn't asked about the Minutemen. Do you want me to get the transcript and give you the full quoted context of the question?
---Facts don't matter---
Well maybe you could help establish a fact for me if you don't mind. Are you in favor of illegals coming into country? Are you in favor of granting them citizenship once they are here?
That's two facts. Sorry.
To clarify, I am not in favor of either.
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes.
I support the Minutemen.
Your above logic is stooopid.
Hear, hear. I can't see how "those who are vigilant" when it comes to preventing our borders from being overrun by invaders can be cast in a negative light.
Absolutely NOT.
Are you in favor of granting them citizenship once they are here?
Nope.. No rewards for lawbreakers. Back to the end of the LEGAL LINE.
Bush Sr. 29%; Clinton 37%; Reagan 35%; Carter 28%; Ford 37%; Nixon 24%; LBJ 35%
Exactly!
Bush Sr. 29%; Clinton 37%; Reagan 35%; Carter 28%; Ford 37%; Nixon 24%; LBJ 35%
Hey look!
Facts!
Thanks Howlin.
I'm not. Tony Snow is the new Press Sec!
Did you read post #484. If you don't understand my response, then I can't help you.
Yeah! The happy dance photo.
It must suck to have an agenda that is so pitiful you have to lie to try to score a point, but I have to say, you seem to have mastered it.
Oh, please don't quote me a newspaper by a reporter, FGS.
I would also like to see fairly harsh penalties levied against those who hire illegals. Right now, businesses who break the law by hiring illegals gain a sizeable advantage over their more ethical competition that hires American. Such hiring practices should not be rewarded in the marketplace. Some posters at FreeRepublic have admitted to hiring illegals themselves and consider it to be nothing more than good honest capitalism. This is a sickening stance, in my opinion.
As far as how this can actually happen...well it isn't rocket science. If there is the political will to do it, it will happen. But politicians have their own motives and their own benefactors, and most of them seem to want nothing more than to kick the can down the road another 20 years so they can pat themselves on the back, say they accomplished something, and leave it to our children to deal with later.
LOL!
Facts don't matter.
Watch those be ignored or questioned.
Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: "vi-j&-'lan-tE
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante
vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law appear inadequate); broadly :
a self-appointed doer of justice
Ok President Bush you sir tell us just who the Minutemen have punished? American's want to know? Doer of justice means executing such. All they do is turn the illegals they find over to the proper law enforcement agencies. Now then a Rancher or group of ranchers who get DS&T of being ran over take matters into their own hand and go out looking for illegals to harm or kill now that is being a vigilante. Too bad our POTUS was able to wrongly use a term to make a political point for what now is not yet a problem.
How about this and it would have been a more accurate description of the intent. We don't need a Neighborhood Watch on our Borders which is what the Minutemen Project actually is. The Minutemen hold no trials nor dispense any punishment so how can they be called vigilantes?
Nobody want vigilantes on the border and right now there's not any there except a likely very few plus the Mexican Army and some renagade flesh smugglers from Mexico angry over getting caught. He didn't mention them either. Musn't put them in bad light sounding like his daddy.
But the real danger is if the situation is not stopped meaning a truly protected border and illegals forced to leave the Minutemen may give up and go home leaving some not so rational persons with nothing else left to loose to replace them. These will be vigilantes.
Bush thinks just because his corporate buddies want illegals or even illegals made citizens for obtaining lower wages for all Americans the rest of America will love it also. Our president is out of touch with his party and much of the nation on this issue.
Where in that sentence does he call the Minutemen that?
If I ask you what you think about your wife and you say;
"I don't like whores in my house."
Am I supposed to assume you mean some other whore.
Huh?
Gott dam, you've convinced me that President Bush never called them vigilantes. Question: has he ever praised what they're doing on the border (you know, keeping illegals out)?
Those are just the recent ones.
Apparently they ALL hit the skids at one point or another.
The only difference is, when the Democrats did it, the GOP celebrated.
Now, with this Bush, the "real true" conservatives are the ones celebrating.
You quoted a newspaper to try to back up the "Bush called the Minutemen vigilantes" rant; it won't work. He never even mentioned them and that quote is taken OUT OF CONTEXT, a liberal trait if there ever was one.
Sometimes we are called Goldwater Conservatives
Bush was also the first President in history to be reelected by over a 50% majority with an approval rating of 48% at election time (according to the MSM).
"Oh, please don't quote me a newspaper by a reporter, FGS."
Please post non-newspaper links for those "facts" you posted concerning presidential approval numbers.
Thanks.
I did no such thing.
What newspaper?
What reporter?
I would say I expect you to ask an honest question, but twisting words worthy of Bill Clinton is what's passing for discussion around here lately.
I wish people had realized this in early 2000.
No.
Fact: He shrunk the increase.
Facts are like kryptonite to some of these people.
It's not up to me to prove something that is already common knowledge to all but a stubborn few on this forum. Sheesh.
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