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Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)
AP ^ | April 26, 2006 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.

Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.

The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; bushhaters; citzenship; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; openborders; sellout
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To: Junior_G
Ok, I generally agree with your sentiments and thank you very much for responding.

I would be happier with high tech solutions than an old fashioned fence...but I think the principle is the same. I also believe we need to put an emphasis on enforcement, but at the same time make sure that employers are not caught in a catch-22 between civil rights lawyers and false documents.

So...I think we have common ground.

Now, tell me how it differs from the Presidents plan. Second, how you respond to those who want to round illegals up and ship them out immediately or it's not good enough? Finally, with 4.9% unemployment, what steps can be taken to keep the economy from taking a monumental nose dive if they are forced to leave?

I seriously believe we have more in common here than not. But you say we need the political will to it. That starts with a plan and a step in the right direction, does it not?
551 posted on 04/26/2006 10:17:56 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: cva66snipe
Bush thinks just because his corporate buddies want illegals

Wow .. corporate buddies??

That sounds so liberal

552 posted on 04/26/2006 10:18:01 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: RHINO369

Some of us were Goldwater Girls (too young to vote for him).

Reportedly, Hillary was one of us back then.


553 posted on 04/26/2006 10:18:19 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: All

HUG?

554 posted on 04/26/2006 10:18:29 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Howlin
Haha yea I was trying to be funny but it fell flat on its face.

However Bush was asked by a reporter what he thought about the minutemen project.

He replied by saying;
"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America,"

What else could he mean? I understand why you'd mistrust the MSM but you need to have evidence to disprove this quote.
555 posted on 04/26/2006 10:18:54 PM PDT by RHINO369 (It depends what the meaning of is is)
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To: cva66snipe
I wish people had realized this in early 2000.

OK, for argument's sake, let's say they had. Then where would we be right now?

WHO would be President? Pat Buchanan? HAHAHAHA!

556 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:03 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: skip_intro
I did no such thing.

Is this not your post?

To: FreeReign
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.

Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm

457 posted on 04/27/2006 12:39:33 AM EDT by skip_intro

You most certainly DID quote a newspaper.

557 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: budwiesest
Gott dam, you've convinced me that President Bush never called them vigilantes. Question: has he ever praised what they're doing on the border (you know, keeping illegals out)?

Like all political executives, he doesn't encourge citizens to help with law enforcement. There are various reasons for it.

Myself, I think that the Minutemen are a good thing.

558 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:23 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Howlin
It must suck to have an agenda that is so pitiful...

Secure borders. Yep.

559 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:29 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: pollyannaish

It's a 4.7% unemployment not 4.9%.


560 posted on 04/26/2006 10:19:56 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Mo1
Wow .. corporate buddies??

What's next, his oil cartel and the dreaded Haliburton? LOL-LOL-LOL

561 posted on 04/26/2006 10:20:13 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: Howlin

Oh, is that what we're talking about?

Yup, it's my post. It's from the Washington Times.

I thought people trusted that paper around here.


562 posted on 04/26/2006 10:20:49 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: FreeReign
Fact: He shrunk the increase.

Wrong. Congress had a budget for adding 10,000 border patrol agents over 5 years. He reduced it to only add only 210, which keeps the numbers about status quo. There is attrition with Border Patrol agents, through retirement and seeking other employment.

Now, would you mind finally posting a link to corroborate your claim that employer fines/arrests have decreased BECAUSE funding for Border Enforcement has increased? Thanks.

563 posted on 04/26/2006 10:20:51 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: FreeReign
Bush didn't call the Minutemen vigilantes.

Who was he referring to then?

564 posted on 04/26/2006 10:21:38 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Prokopton
I'll be more than glad to; unlike you, I go to the source rather than repeat lies:

Q    (As translated.)  Mr. Presidents and Mr. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask you what concrete actions do your governments want to lay out in order to make this partnership a reality as far as energy markets, which is a very critical issue for all of our countries -- energy markets?  I also want to ask you in this security and prosperity partnership, when will you include the migratory, or immigration policy in this partnership?

 

And, President Bush, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about those people who are hunting migrant people along the border.

 

PRESIDENT BUSH:  I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America.  I'm for enforcing law in a rational way.  That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border. 

Do you see the word MINUTEMEN in there?

565 posted on 04/26/2006 10:21:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: woofie

FOFL!!!

With that .. I think it's time for me to head off to bed

Say good night Gracie :0)


566 posted on 04/26/2006 10:21:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: skip_intro
"I thought people trusted that paper around here.'

Pandering is so very ugly.

567 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:02 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: skip_intro

And it's WRONG.

Do you just forget that reporters TWIST words when it suits your agenda?

Weak.


568 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:18 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Junior_G
I am going to break with you here Junior. Just because something is common knowledge, doesn't mean it is correct.

I have found a LOT of information that has been so twisted and mangled through the filter of the MSM that it's meaning bears no resemblance to the original intent.

For that matter, I've even observed it happening live!
569 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:43 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Junior_G

You're lying about posters on this forum.


570 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin


TAH-DAH!


571 posted on 04/26/2006 10:22:55 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
George is on the verge of committing stupid and flushing the Republican party.

Always had the feeling he was a RINO!
572 posted on 04/26/2006 10:23:27 PM PDT by Herakles (Liberals are stone stupid and proud of it!)
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To: RHINO369
However Bush was asked by a reporter what he thought about the minutemen project.

The Minutemen were not named; and as far as I know, "people" have been hunting illegals on the border for years.

573 posted on 04/26/2006 10:24:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FreeReign
Like all political executives, he doesn't encourge citizens to help with law enforcement.

After 911 Bush only tried to get the postal workers, the cable guy, and meter readers to keep a watchful eye in the homes they go into (until the companies refused to allow their employers to do it)

AND

He was in Portland, Maine telling the lobstermen that we need to be "VIGILANT" and suggesting that they keep an eye on the port and report anything that appears strange.

Come to think of it... "AMERICANS NEED TO BE MORE VIGILANT" was one of Bush's favorite statements a couple of years ago.

574 posted on 04/26/2006 10:24:20 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: tobyhill

Oops! Thank you. It's better than last time I checked. Well, let's say I was just trying to be prudent and not exaggerate in my favor. LOL.


575 posted on 04/26/2006 10:24:25 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Prokopton
Please post non-newspaper links for those "facts" you posted concerning presidential approval numbers. Thanks.

No.

576 posted on 04/26/2006 10:24:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: pollyannaish
"I would be happier with high tech solutions than an old fashioned fence...but I think the principle is the same."

I've heard of this group/site


http://www.weneedafence.com/


I don't know alot about them ... but their fence idea sounded interesting
577 posted on 04/26/2006 10:24:50 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Junior_G
It's not up to me to prove something that is already common knowledge...

You know what they say, repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it's true.

578 posted on 04/26/2006 10:25:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Herakles
George is on the verge of committing stupid and flushing the Republican party. Always had the feeling he was a RINO!

His immigration position has not changed one iota since he ran in 2000, so how the hell is flushing the GOP now?

You really shouldn't drink that democrat/MSM kool-aid.

579 posted on 04/26/2006 10:26:27 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: Howlin

Bush is a conservative bush is a conservative bush is a conservative Bush is a conservative bush is a conservative bush is a conservative Bush is a conservative bush is a conservative bush is a conservative Bush is a conservative bush is a conservative bush is a conservative Bush is a conservative bush is a conservative bush is a conservative


580 posted on 04/26/2006 10:26:28 PM PDT by RHINO369 (It depends what the meaning of is is)
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To: onyx

I don't see anywhere in there that he gave an OPINION of the Minutemen, do you?


581 posted on 04/26/2006 10:26:33 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: RHINO369

He never claimed to be YOUR kind of conservative; he said what he believed in and for the last six years, you all have been bitching about how he doesn't believe "just like I do."


582 posted on 04/26/2006 10:27:29 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: pollyannaish
It's lower than the averages of the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s but if one just listened to the MSM they would think it's at 40% unemployment.
583 posted on 04/26/2006 10:27:43 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Howlin
Whoa. I would be against people who are hunting migrant people along the border too.

That reporter was intentionally trying to get that specific quote to support a preexisting theme/assumption. I was a journalism student long ago and far away...back then they trained you to write the rough story, set the interviewee up to give you the quote you wanted, and come back and refine.

I wonder if they still do that.

584 posted on 04/26/2006 10:28:36 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Mo1
Wow .. corporate buddies?? That sounds so liberal

It does doesn't it. That's because many DEMs will sell out the nation for their 30 pieces as quick as quite a few in the GOP will these days. Corporations now own the control of both political parties. Corps not excluding ones such as health care insurers as well.

585 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:12 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: RHINO369

type 3 then copy paste, type 3 then copy paste, type 3 then copy paste.


586 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:17 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Howlin
I don't see anywhere in there that he gave an OPINION of the Minutemen, do you?

NOPE. It was a trick question by media and he outsmarted them as always.

IF he had a beef with the Minutemen, why not name them?

587 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:30 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: pollyannaish
That reporter was intentionally trying to get that specific quote to support a preexisting theme/assumption.

Precisely.

And look who's twisting the words like Bill Clinton........LOL.

588 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: pollyannaish
"Well, let's say I was just trying to be prudent and not exaggerate in my favor. LOL."

Then you are far better than E.D. Hill of Fox and Friends who let her little lie of unemployment of 14% hang out there for about a week.

589 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:58 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: West Coast Conservative

Too much strident behavior; not good for the cause. It is a shame to see.


590 posted on 04/26/2006 10:30:13 PM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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To: Howlin

To: Howlin
"Oh, please don't quote me a newspaper by a reporter, FGS."

Please post non-newspaper links for those "facts" you posted concerning presidential approval numbers.
Thanks.



544 posted on 04/27/2006 12:15:31 AM CDT by Prokopton"


Is this what your replying to?


591 posted on 04/26/2006 10:30:17 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Mo1

Thanks! I'll have to check them out in the morning.


592 posted on 04/26/2006 10:30:26 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: onyx
Privately, President Bush the first, still hates broccoli.
593 posted on 04/26/2006 10:30:42 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: tobyhill
I have students who believe it is the highest unemployment rate ever. LOL.
594 posted on 04/26/2006 10:31:24 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Mo1
That sounds so liberal

Some of the best Marxist stuff I've read since college comes out on these threads.

595 posted on 04/26/2006 10:31:29 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: onyx

If he had a real beef with them, I expect he could find a way to stop them.

He probably doesn't like them down there, inciting these issues while he's trying to get some sort of plan together.

It's certainly not helping.


596 posted on 04/26/2006 10:31:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: CWOJackson
FACTS DON'T MATTER!
597 posted on 04/26/2006 10:31:37 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: All

"A terrorism alert is not a signal to stop your life. It is a call to be vigilant -- to know that your government is on high alert, and to add your eyes and ears to our efforts to find and stop those who want to do us harm." President Bush November 2001

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011108-13.html


598 posted on 04/26/2006 10:31:57 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Howlin
PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border.

Since Bush is so famously uninterested in newspapers, it is plausible that he might never have heard of the Minutemen and truly might have been referring to "vigilantes" that he read about in a Larry McMurtry novel.

599 posted on 04/26/2006 10:32:17 PM PDT by LK44-40
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To: Prokopton

If you can't follow along on these threads, perhaps this isn't the place for you, huh?


600 posted on 04/26/2006 10:32:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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