Skip to comments.Conspiracy Film Rewrites Sept. 11 (Lunatic Alert!)
Posted on 04/28/2006 7:21:24 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
Gypsy Taub, a mother of three from Oakland, does not believe that 9/11 happened. At least not the way the government said it did.
A Russian émigré, Taub is one of a growing number of people in the USA who are using the Internet, college campuses and pamphleteering to get the word out.
"Oh yeah, absolutely. On the day it happened, I thought it was the government that did it," she said.
Taub is promoting one of the latest presentations of revisionist theories on the 2001 attacks by al-Qaeda terrorists, a film that says, among other things, that the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile fired by the military as an excuse to go to war.
Called Loose Change, it is being downloaded from the Internet and shown in small screenings here and overseas. It is not alone in the genre, and it is not unusual in American history either to offer simplistic explanations or demonize opponents. Presidents from Andrew Jackson to Lyndon Johnson were accused by their contemporaries of massive government conspiracies.
The film appears especially popular among young people immersed in a Web culture brimming with sites that question the credibility of government. They see 9/11 as the defining moment of their lives.
"This is our generation's Vietnam, our generation's Kennedy assassination," says Korey Rowe, 23, the film's producer.
Professors and researchers of film and politics say the Internet is making it far easier to spread such theories because the traditional media are losing their hold on the news. The immense coverage of controversies and accusations surrounding the war on terror has created fertile ground for people who assign their own interpretations to photos, footage, eyewitnesses, investigations and newspaper accounts of what happened, they say.
"The information revolution now gives us access to too much information," says Jonathan Taplin, who teaches at the Annenberg School for Communications at the University of Southern California. "Our problems are that we're just overwhelmed, so in some sense we just basically don't even know where to turn."
'It's all over the place'
Craig Smith, director of the Center for First Amendment Studies at California State University, Long Beach, cites the unusual nature of 9/11: four airliners simultaneously hijacked and no defenses stop them.
"You would say, come on, I can't even buy that as a movie script," Smith says. "All of this feeds this readiness for paranoia."
Made by Rowe and friend Dylan Avery, 22, from Oneonta, N.Y., on a laptop computer for less than $10,000, the film contrasts sharply with United 93, a film opening Friday that portrays the struggle for the jetliner that crashed in Shanksville, Pa.
Internet chat rooms are full of promos for screenings of Loose Change in such locales as the Santa Cruz Veterans Memorial Building in California; the Université de Sherbrooke, Quebec; Graz, Austria; and a theater in London's Soho district.
"It's been breaking like nobody's business the last two months," says Taub, 36, who is sponsoring a showing Tuesday night in Oakland. "It's all over the place."
'They aren't truth-tellers'
Most of what the film alleges is refuted by the evidence at hand. Anything not answered definitively by the government is interpreted by the film as proof of a coverup.
Among the assertions in Loose Change is that a missile hit the Pentagon even though eyewitnesses saw the jet, numerous pieces of wreckage were found including the flight recorder, and those on the flight and in its path at the Pentagon are dead.
There is also the claim that because jet fuel burns at up to 1,500 degrees and steel melts at 2,750 degrees, the World Trade Center's infrastructure could not have been brought down by the airliners. However, as reported by the Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society, steel loses 50% of its strength at 1,200 degrees, enough for a failure.
"The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred," says Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.
"They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."
Some college students who saw Loose Change and are promoting it say it's good to raise questions.
The film offers "at the very least suggests that we don't know the whole truth, and that some things are quite fishy," says Matt Latham, a freshman at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
'Students love it'
Christian Pecaut, 25, a Stanford graduate who is promoting the film at the University of California, Berkeley campus, said the film is "catchy, hip," with an "upbeat soundtrack."
Aaron Williams, a senior at Texas A&M University and president of the philosophy club, believes the film. "Government is corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely," he says.
Penelope Price, a documentary filmmaker and professor at Scottsdale Community College, said she brought the filmmakers to the campus to stimulate critical thinking.
"Students love it," she said. "These guys have done a great job of marketing on the Web, and that was another reason I wanted to bring them in."
Conservative writer David Horowitz, a former 1960s radical, says conspiratorial thinking can offer a world view that is somehow less scary than reality. "Conspiracy theories are a kind of secular religion," he says, adding that campus faculties sometimes encourage anti-government feelings. "People feel great anxiety ... by the thought that nobody's in control."
People believe in conspiracy theories because the truth "is either too simple or too remote," says sociologist Clifton Bryant of Virginia Tech University, who has made a study of "deviant logic" and behavior.
"We're always ready to believe something about which we know nothing," he says.
I blame TV. People give the government waaaay too much credit.
I think that it's absolutely hilarious that the same people who give serious creedence to the 'fact' that Pres. Bush is funcionally illiterate, also think that he could mastermind, and coverup, a plot like this to kick off World War III with the AlQueda terrorists.
But, I expect that if you called them out on this particular dichotomy, their heads would explode.
I know a couple left-wingers that believe this crap. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise, considering that they also blame Republicans for Katrina and AIDS.
Perhaps, but I think I may have to call them on it, or at least make them choose: Which is it? Is George Bush a blithering idiot, or is he the greatest criminal mastermind in the history of the world? They'll probably argue that he's both.
Probably because they do not believe that the truth has been told.
I bet they would say that criminal masterminds own and operate a lot of blithering idiots.
It's been claimed that this crash would have been recorded on any number of video cameras in the area that day and some of which were pointed at the Pentagon...
The story goes that the FBI immediately after the crash went to the different locations (businesses, office buildings) and confiscated the videos...
An upbeat soundtrack? Then it must be true.
A Penn Gilette video completely debunking these kooks:
WARNING!!!! EXTREME PROFANITY!!!
This is true. There is very little picture evidence available on the internet--I've looked and even when I have found FR threads about the Pentagon the pictures are gone. You can find the video that was released by either ABC or NBC but the complaint is generally made that it does not show the plane--just some kind of streak and then the explosion. I came to an answer for that one day while I was driving and just letting random thoughts pass through my mind. I was thinking about my grandson and some pictures I had taken of him with my digital camera. I was thinking about being frustrated by the lag time on the shutter so that often by the time it clicks he has moved and there is no one in my picture. He's four and moves pretty fast at times but certainly nothing like an airplane traveling at hundreds of miles per hour. Since the camera that took the pictures of the plane also has a lag it is no wonder the plane cannot be seen.
As I was getting nearer to my home which is on a flight path to our downtown airport, a smaller commercial flight was in the sky parallel to the street I was driving on. It was landing and not very high up. It was also not going very fast so I could get a good look at it though I wouldn't have a clue as to what specific kind of plane it was. Since I was already thinking about Ft. 77, I tried to imagine my plane being a huge plane traveling at full speed that close to the ground and then trying to remember the details of what the plane actually looked like. I think it would have been a blur in my memory. The only time we ever see planes traveling that fast and that low is at air shows and those are air force jets. How much do you remember about the physical characteristics of those planes after they have passed? It's no wonder that several eye witnesses used the SIMILE "like a missile" when they were trying to describe what they saw.
Well as we have seen, the provision of videos over the major networks didn't convince anyone that the buildings weren't brought down by detonation, so I guess it wouldn't matter to these folks. I do have questions about other events, but this one is fairly cut and dried as far as I am concerned.
It's also evident that Flight 93 had hijackers of Middle-Eastern extraction. What's left to conjecture for these folks?
Charlie, wake the hell up!
I agree...It would be hard to imagine a large jet travelling even at a minimum speed of about 150 mph cutting across your path at a hundred yards out...
At two fifty, it would be a blur...And if it was still at cruising speed, I can't imagine a plane at that speed right in front of me...
But like the eyewitness accounts, I're read of the 'eyewitness' accounts of some of the folks that had the videos confiscated...I believe one was from a gas station...I'd like to see one of those videos...
I'm convinced of that as well...I think it's plausable that flight 93 was actually shot down, and as bad as that may sound, it takes nothing away from the 'heros' on flight 93 nor is it meant to be a negative retort towards our gov't...
Later fer laffs
It's possible. I don't think it was but I have no way of knowing.
I agree that it doesn't take anything away from the passengers who did their best to regain control.
In other words, you were a nutcase from the very first moment, and then went looking for anything that would validate your psychosis.
one correction is required:
"They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their PARENTS' hard-earned dollars."
there... that's much better
I was listening to that. It was hilarious how Boy Korey's response to every single tough question was "That's absolutely impossible!"
How is that evident? Not a single frame of airport security footage was ever released.
Here is how it works
George Bush is a blithering idiot.
Karl Rove is the criminal mastermind who comes up with these fantastic conspiracies.
Dick Cheney finances the conspiracies so that Haliburton can subsequently benefit from the goverment expenditures resulting from its response to the conspiracy.
It all fits into a neat and tidy package.
You might be on to something...
I got the perfect anti-war slogan for just such a scenario - "No Blood for Bratwurst!!"
Many people on the left and right have no understanding of the leviathan nature of our government and how that affects its response to crises.
It is completely believable to me that our government was unprepared to protect us from suicide hijackers.
But silly me...I thought it would finally prompt some changes in the way things are done. Instead, the government simply circled the wagons even tighter.
Got this URL forwarded to me from a friend. It's a series of pictures that "shows" that a truck full of explosives, rather than a plane, caused damage to the Pentagon on Sept. 11. I'm sending it on to you for examination:
"Hunt the Boeing!" is a provocative display of smoke and mirrors, but there's little else to recommend the site. Its authors present a fraction of the available evidence in a highly selective, distorted, titillating way, proving absolutely nothing except, perhaps, that there's always room for another conspiracy theory.
Do you know of any site that debunks all the whacko conspiracy theories about United Flight 93?
Yeah, then tell him you didn't hit him.
"It shouldn't come as much of a surprise, considering that they also blame Republicans for Katrina and AIDS."
Ah, yes. I remember those days when we Republicans all took our scarey GUNS and forced men have sex with one another.
Then we moved on to LA where we used our same scarey guns and forced people to live in a swamp at sea level. *Rolleyes*
Take heart. I have lunatics like this in my family, too. Best to just ignore them. ;)
Sometimes it takes a while to load.
Is this interview streamed on the internet?
Charlie Sheen will likely be there Hollywood spokesman; if and when he can break himself free of surfing Internet porn sites.
Because it means we are engaged in a death struggle for the domination of the planet, which will be long and bloody, and will require a great deal of sacrifice. This is unpleasant to most people.
Of course, just because something is unpleasant does not mean it must be denied.
I had thought that this was revealed during the phone conversations.
Sorry, I have not been paying close attention to most of this stuff. Just been listening to what the other old fellows I know have to say about it. What conversations would that be and where could one hear them, assuming they were recorded.
It might be. They may have it archived at opieandanthony.com. BTW, that site is not work-friendly.
I am refering to the cell phone calls from Flight 93. I doubt there are recordings or transcripts. I thought that I had read that the terrorists were described by passengers as Middle-Eastern in appearance.
Agreed on that. I almost fear to send my family links debunking their myths. They generally react in a typical liberal manner.
When an event happens that completely undermines the legitimacy of one's political philosophy, the veracity of the event must be challenged...is that it? ;)
Is that possible? I went to the city once to meet an old friend who was flying in and I told him to call about half an hour before he landed and I would pick him up. He said he could not do that because his new fangled cell phone did not work until the plane was close to the ground.
I doubt there are recordings or transcripts.
You can't really blame some folks for wondering. There's just no evidence. No airport footage, not one identified body, nothing.
Are you saying that the cell phone calls on the Flight 93 transcribed cockpit recording could have been faked? Sorry, I do blame folks for wondering. The plane was real, the hijackers real, the crash was real. When you crash an airplane, inverted, into the ground at upwards of 500 mph, there just ain't a whole lot left to identify. And yet human remains were identified. There were many witnesses in Shanksville area that saw the plane go down. Next you will be telling me that 12 American astronauts never landed on the moon...
Several of the passengers who called their loved ones, on both cell phones (yes, they can be used in flight--this is discouraged only because it can interfere with ground to air and air to ground communication) and Airphones on the backs of the seats, described these hijackers as middle eastern looking (one said "Iranian looking"). They also described the killing of a first-class passenger, probably Mickey Rothenberg. This is the undeniable truth, unless you consider the passengers to be part of the "plot".
Then they are idiots who wouldn't know the truth if it came up and kicked them in the a##.
Hell, I have no idea. Don't get crazy on me. I'm just relating to you what some folks who have paid attention to this stuff were saying.
I just asked a simple question. There seems to be more questions than answers. You said above that there were cell phone calls on the transcribed cockpit recording, how is that possible?
Rememmber the term "let's role"? It came from a cell phone call on Flight 93.
Do some searches on the forum and I think you'll find mention of it.
Well, these are very old friends and I think, to them, the "idiots" are those who do not want to know the truth and will not even seek it by asking any questions.
Thanks, I'll get one of those guys at the home to do that, they've got nothing better to do and they are good at it.
Good deal. Later...
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One of those other guys at the home told me to look at this original news footage. Is this real?
I don't know what to say. Those old fellows just laugh their arses off at the prospect of anyone swallowing this stuff.