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George Allen: Rebel flag was teen 'attitude.' Magazine reports on rebel symbols he had in school
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 4/30/6 | Peter Hardin and Tyler Whitley

Posted on 04/30/2006 7:41:33 PM PDT by Crackingham

Sen. George Allen, who has tried to reach out to minority voters in recent years, wore a Confederate flag pin on his shirt collar in a high-school yearbook photo, a national magazine reported yesterday. As a high school student in Palos Verdes, Calif., Allen was seen riding in or driving a Ford Mustang with either a Confederate flag license plate or Confederate flag imagery on the car, The New Republic quoted witnesses as saying.

The Virginia Republican, seeking re-election now and weighing a presidential bid in 2008, was to depart today to co-host a civil-rights history tour for members of Congress to Southside Virginia. The topic is to be progress toward racial reconciliation. Allen staff confirmed that the pin in his yearbook picture depicted a Confederate flag. An Allen aide told the magazine the senator didn't remember a Confederate flag on his Mustang but that it was possible.

As a high school student in California, "I generally bucked authority and the rebel flag was just a way to express that attitude," Allen said in a written statement to the magazine. "Life is a learning experience and I have learned quite a bit in the ensuing 36 years."

He went on to discuss his belief in equal opportunity, his learning from participating in a civil-rights history tour to Alabama several years ago and his proposed Senate legislation to aid minority colleges.

Harris Miller, one of two Democrats seeking the nomination to run against Allen, said yesterday that he found Allen's explanation "pretty disingenuous" considering that while he held state office, he had "a troubling record on minority issues."

Miller cited Allen's issuance while governor of a "highly divisive" Confederate history and heritage month proclamation and his vote, while a member of the House of Delegates, against a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.

"We need leaders who will celebrate all that we have in common rather than things that divide us," Miller said.


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1 posted on 04/30/2006 7:41:38 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

The Confederate flag does not stand for what the media like to portray.


2 posted on 04/30/2006 7:47:01 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Crackingham

Only democrats are allowed to have ever flown a confederate flag. Clinton flew one in his governors office the entire time he was there.


3 posted on 04/30/2006 7:47:06 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Liberal Democrats-Party before country, surrender before victory, generous with other peoples money.)
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To: Crackingham; Corin Stormhands
Support George Allen

George Allen 2006

4 posted on 04/30/2006 7:48:40 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Crackingham
wore a Confederate flag pin on his shirt collar in a high-school yearbook photo,

WOW!!! This is series, almost as series as his neighbor in WV who was once a KKK big wig.

5 posted on 04/30/2006 7:52:22 PM PDT by umgud (the profound is only so to those that it is)
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To: Crackingham

Who cares, the only thing that matters is how hard he is willing to come down on immigration.


6 posted on 04/30/2006 7:52:25 PM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: Crackingham

Judas H Priest! When I was in college in the mid-60s, it was a national liberal arts college in the midwest, and we had southerners, along with students from all over this country. It was not uncommon for southerners to express their regional loyalty and pride by putting stars and bars on their room doors, or by saying "The South shall rise again". It was just good humor.
I sure hope these dumbasses attacking Allen over this stupid issue will be shown the door by the electorate.


7 posted on 04/30/2006 7:53:45 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: Ligeia; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...

George Allen ping.

I emailed the Miller campaign a link to James Webb's speech at the Confederate Memorial. We'll see how much play it gets...


8 posted on 04/30/2006 7:53:53 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Crackingham

Pence is a better choice.


9 posted on 04/30/2006 7:54:36 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: CindyDawg

I agree. However, a population of voting sheeple twelve times the size of Bush's last victory margin DOES see it that way.

Allen, it was nice to know you........


10 posted on 04/30/2006 7:56:45 PM PDT by 308MBR (The GOP should remember the fate of the Whigs as they run away from their base.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Criminy...........I'm about over this stuff and I'm a damnedyankee for crying out loud.

I've had a confederate flag belt buckle (on my hand tooled belt) since 1975.......and I still lived in NYC at the time, but spent my summers on the west coast of Florida, where I got both. There has been some wear and tear on both the belt and the buckle, but I still wear it, along with the same pair of jeans I first put it on...............


11 posted on 04/30/2006 8:04:15 PM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: Brilliant
Pence is a better choice.

Pence isn't running for the U.S. Senate from Virginia. And as far as I know, neither Pence ~nor~ Allen have announced their intentions to run for higher office.

Try to keep up.

12 posted on 04/30/2006 8:09:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Gabz

This is going to backfire on the RATS in Virginia. Especially if they nominate Webb. He's got a Confederate history of his own.


13 posted on 04/30/2006 8:10:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Crackingham
They can't let people like this in Congress can they? Oh, maybe they already have?


14 posted on 04/30/2006 8:12:51 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (What is is about "illegal" you don't understand?)
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To: Crackingham

I read the original article (9 pages long) in The New Republic Online. The Confederate flag issue was probably the most controversial thing in the article, as the MSM will beat it to death.

To me, the next most controversial part of the article revolves around a book that his younger sister has written about the family. Without going into detail, she wrote some pretty uncomplimentary things about Allen.


15 posted on 04/30/2006 8:17:11 PM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: Crackingham

It makes me angry that they drudge this stuff up. If everyone in the South was tarred and feathered for ever wearing a confederate flag, especially teenagers, there wouldn't be anyone left!

Even a high school friend of mine who is african-american wore a tattered old Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt... LOL we use to tease him about that, like "Skynyrd? Come on" .. you have to understand, this was late 80s and that music had run its course (until it came back as classic rock) ;)
But I remember clearly it had a confederate flag on it, as (I believe) all L.S. shirts did!!

But I digress. Enough with this lunacy over the confederate flag. As someone pointed out, it was still on state flags back then, for goodness sake - leave this guy alone..


16 posted on 04/30/2006 8:18:01 PM PDT by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: stainlessbanner; stand watie

ping


17 posted on 04/30/2006 8:20:06 PM PDT by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: Corin Stormhands

>This is going to backfire on the RATS in Virginia. <

This isn't aimed at the citizens of Virginia. Nobody will blink about Allen wearing the pin on his collar.

It's aimed at stopping his run for the Presidency.


18 posted on 04/30/2006 8:20:17 PM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Crackingham

Oh the Humanity.

Sheets Byrd actually wore the robes of the KKK, but...it is written off as a youthful indiscretion.


19 posted on 04/30/2006 8:20:44 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: isthisnickcool

They have to be grandfathered in, and only Dems meet the criterion for that.

vaudine


20 posted on 04/30/2006 8:28:15 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Darnright
It's aimed at stopping his run for the Presidency.

Yes, it is. But it will factor into the Senate race.

Harris Miller is already attacking him for it. But I sent to the Miller campaign and will send to the RTD if necessary a link to James Webb's 1990 speech at the Confederate Memorial.

THAT was not a "high school indiscretion" by any stretch.

If Miller continues to hit Allen for this and not Webb for the same issue, it will backfire.

21 posted on 04/30/2006 8:33:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Brilliant

OH, is Pence of Indiana running against George Allen of VA for for US Senate?


22 posted on 04/30/2006 8:36:30 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: 308MBR

Hello. You too?
This is about George Allen reelection race in VIRGINA.


23 posted on 04/30/2006 8:37:57 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: Crackingham
Wow! This is a shocking revelation. I have never seen anyone do anything like that in my life. This is really a big deal. Damn, the vermin who write for these rags have got to sooo detached from reality. Is it drugs or what?
24 posted on 04/30/2006 8:40:04 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Crackingham

I wonder how many reporters who worked this story own a "Che" t-shirt.


25 posted on 04/30/2006 8:40:46 PM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Darnright; Corin Stormhands

It's in the Richmond paper.
This is aimed at VA voters.
Hardly anyone outside VA would see this but for the Inet and FR.


26 posted on 04/30/2006 8:40:53 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: onyx; Darnright

Well Darnright is correct to an extent. The original hit piece was in "The American Spectator" and there's a thread on it around here somewhere (just in the last couple of days).

But onyx is also right. This is playing in Richmond now because of the Senate race.


27 posted on 04/30/2006 8:42:54 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Brilliant
Try to keep up.

LOL!!!

Some folks just can't resist any opportunity to get there digs in at George.

I thought it was bright in here, but I was wrong. It's BRILLIANT!

28 posted on 04/30/2006 8:43:04 PM PDT by P8riot
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To: P8riot

oops! there=their


29 posted on 04/30/2006 8:44:54 PM PDT by P8riot
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To: Darnright

Exactly, the MSM sleaze machine is getting cranked up...this reminds me of those lurid stories that started to come out of Texas around the time it became obvious President Bush would be a candidate, concerning the rate of executions in that state (were the innocent being executed, etc..) Ever heard any stories of Texas executions RECENTLY? You'd think Texas abolished the death penalty!


30 posted on 04/30/2006 8:45:03 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Corin Stormhands; Darnright

Ah yes, parts of it sounded a little too familiar. The Am. Spec. I recall it now.

Thanks, Corin.


31 posted on 04/30/2006 8:45:21 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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Allen to seek slavery apology by Congress: Va. senator will work with Ga. congressman [John Lewis] to push for resolution

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Allen and Lewis are hosting the Washington-based Faith and Politics Institute's "Reconcilation Pilgrimage" to Prince Edward County, which closed its schools for five years rather than comply with court-ordered desegregation. The institute, which has conducted several such pilgrimages, is examining Prince Edward because of its success in healing some of the scars of that era. Five members of Congress, including Allen and Lewis, came to Farmville for the program.

Allen has attended institute programs before, including a pilgimage to Selma, Montgomery and Birmingham, Ala., that he said was part of the reason he was the lead Republican sponsor of a resolution apologizing for the Senate's failure decades ago to outlaw lynching. Yesterday, he said he supports building a coalition of lawmakers to address a resolution about slavery.

Ken Woodley, editor of the Farmville Herald and a participant in the program yesterday, had challenged Allen and Lewis to spearhead an effort to pass a congressional resolution apologizing for slavery and to provide some type of reparations for the losses suffered by blacks. By reparations, Woodley said he envisions a sort of domestic Marshall Plan that would address education, health-care and economic-development issues for blacks.

"This has to be achieved before the 400th anniversary of Jamestown [in 2007], because that is where slavery came to this country," Woodley said.

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32 posted on 04/30/2006 8:48:35 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Ron in Acreage
Only democrats are allowed to have ever flown a confederate flag. Clinton flew one in his governors office the entire time he was there.

There's a good reason for that, Democrats created the Confederate flag, just as Democrats created the Confederacy, the Klu Klux Klan, and used the Confederate flag to first intimidate blacks into not voting at all and then when forced to allow them to vote by republicans, democrats did a 180 and used the confederate flag as a symbol of racism to get the black vote in the south.

My advise to Allen is that everytime the Confederate flag issue comes up, he should point out how it is a symbol the democrats used during their high of power in the south to control who voted how in the south.

33 posted on 04/30/2006 8:52:16 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: usmcobra
My advise to Allen is that everytime the Confederate flag issue comes up, he should point out how it is a symbol the democrats used during their high of power in the south to control who voted how in the south.

Oh yeah. Like that's gonna carry the south...

34 posted on 04/30/2006 8:53:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
The original hit piece was in "The American Spectator"

I think the original hit piece is in The New Republic here and a rebuttal is in TAS here

Senator Allen sure seems to be worrying the Dems!

35 posted on 04/30/2006 8:57:19 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: onyx

I don't care about a crappy Senate seat. I'm talking about '08.

Who cares about the Senate anyhow? Like a nice 50/50 split and gridlock wouldn't be an improvement over what has been going on there the last few years.


36 posted on 04/30/2006 8:59:19 PM PDT by 308MBR (The GOP should remember the fate of the Whigs as they run away from their base.)
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To: Ligeia
Thanks for the correction. I shoulda looked it up.

And your right. Kathleen Parker said this in her column on Friday ~ Allen, indeed, is a favorite among Republican Party players. He's also the one Democrats worry about most, according to an insider who told me: "The one Hillary's worried about is George Allen."

37 posted on 04/30/2006 8:59:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 308MBR
I care and I vehemently disagree with your assertion that a 50/50 split and gridlock would be an improvement. In addition, you cannot guarantee a 50/50 split.


I have 2 words for you: Roberts and Alito.
38 posted on 04/30/2006 9:01:34 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Thanks for the Kathleen Parker link. I'd missed it.

And BTW, my comments page still has that wiggling eyebrow on it. It's creepy!

39 posted on 04/30/2006 9:03:02 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Corin Stormhands
>> My advise to Allen is that everytime the Confederate flag issue comes up, he should point out how it is a symbol the democrats used during their high of power in the south to control who voted how in the south. Oh yeah. Like that's gonna carry the south... <<

Well, facts ARE facts. South Carolina got their "hertiage" over the state capitol thanks to Fritz Hollings in the '50s. If "the south" doesn't like the party of Lincoln they can vote back in the DemocRATs (come to think of it, Arkansas and Louisana did exactly that... good going, guys).

The "evil kennebunkport damnyankee carpetbagger" George W. Bush pointed out during the 2000 campaign that TX took down the confederate flag, and all the "confederate hertiage" types ranted and raved about it and then Pat Buchanan ran around the south touting his "pro-confederate" credentials as the 2nd coming of George Wallace.

Well "the south" gave the "damnyankee kennebunkport liberal" about 57% of their votes, and "Mr. Confederate hertiage" Pat Buchanan about 0.25% of their votes.

Looks like you guys aren't as representative of "the south" as you think.

40 posted on 04/30/2006 9:07:32 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the liberal Democrat's FAVORITE Republican in IL ... www.nopinka.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Oh yeah. Like that's gonna carry the south...

I wouldn't know, I've only lived in the south since I was born. It's time to face the facts, as long as they can get away with it, the democrats are going to use the confederate flag however they wish to, but mainly they use it as a weapon of intimidation and racism.

As a Southerner, I've been given a choice, support that flag however the democrats want to use it against my conservative ideas or see how they use it for their own purposes and refuse to support those efforts by them, knowing that by doing so I have to turn my back on a flag that honestly I like, have flown and respected at one time.

Sometimes the best way to win a tug of war is to just let go and watch the other guy fall on his as....

41 posted on 04/30/2006 9:10:30 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: BillyBoy
You missed my point entirely. I know the history of the South. I grew up here. I've lived a good deal of it and I live now in the former Capitol of the Confederacy.

But as a purely political campaign strategy a candidate saying things like "y'all are just a bunch of backwater dumb@$$ racists and we kicked yer hiney" is just not gonna fly.

But, also for the record, see Post #32.

42 posted on 04/30/2006 9:13:43 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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New Era: Farmville Event Ushers in Racial Reconciliation (Commentary)

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Yet Virginia Senator George Allen and Georgia Congressman John Lewis will be arriving together in Farmville this weekend to pay tribute to the people of that town who are taking steps to heal the racial divide that has existed there since the days of Jim Crow.

Allen, Lewis, and other members of Congress, including Virginia Congressman Bobby Scott, are a part of a delegation led by The Faith & Politics Institute that will focus on the progress that has been made in Farmville toward racial reconciliation. Governor Tim Kaine will join them for an event tomorrow night.

The Allen-Lewis partnership, as well as the willingness of other Republicans and Democrats to come together in Farmville this weekend, provides rare evidence that political opponents can unite to promote the common good, despite the ugly, partisan atmosphere that prevails in Congress.

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RACIAL reconciliation is not a new idea, of course, but it is getting renewed attention as the result of a variety of little-noticed, faith-based efforts underway in Southern towns such as Farmville; Philadelphia, Mississippi; Greensboro, North Carolina; and Waco, Texas. While it has taken different forms in every community, it seems to have been inspired by the truth and reconciliation process at the end of apartheid in South Africa.

In Farmville, the centerpiece of the effort is the scholarship program the state legislature created for African-Americans -- now middle-aged -- who were deprived of education when Prince Edward County closed its schools between 1959 and 1964 rather than integrate them in response to the Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education.

Farmville, like some other Southern communities, is not following the usual advice to simply forget historical grievances. Nor has it yielded to the temptation to debate divisive side issues such as reparations or hiring quotas. Instead, it is simply laying open the wounds of the past and publicly acknowledging the impact racism has had on the lives of both black and white citizens.

Nobody wins; nobody loses, but everyone moves toward forgiveness.

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43 posted on 04/30/2006 9:15:02 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Crackingham

APB for the senior Senator of West Virginia (& 'Conscience of the Senate').


44 posted on 04/30/2006 9:18:18 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Corin Stormhands
Reconciliation as opposed to reparations is the strategy for racial healing in the evangelical church today. The premier DC Christian radio station, WAVA airs a program called Reconciliation Live for honest discussions regarding healing and bridge-building. I'm hoping Allen forgoes the reparations approach and continues the reconciliation efforts.
45 posted on 04/30/2006 9:26:51 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: onyx

I'm not trying to start a p@@ting contest here, but I have a few words for you regarding this Senate;

Unsecured borders, runaway social spending, inaction to remedy the consequences of the Kelo decision, steroids in baseball, unenforced immigration laws

Alito and Roberts are nice, but if the rest of the Republic goes down the tubes for a few dollars and votes in the present day, two judges (or three or even all nine)ain't gonna much matter.


46 posted on 04/30/2006 9:39:01 PM PDT by 308MBR (The GOP should remember the fate of the Whigs as they run away from their base.)
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To: dixie1202; righthand man; TexConfederate1861; chesley; rustbucket; JamesP81; LeoWindhorse; ...

Dixie Bump!


47 posted on 04/30/2006 9:41:08 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (Free Travis!)
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To: 308MBR


Nobody wants the borders sealed more than me, but electing democrats is unthinkable. No thanks.

I am too tired to go into all the reasons.


48 posted on 04/30/2006 9:43:19 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: onyx

I don't want the Dems either, but at least it won't hurt so bad when we get stabbed in the back by a known enemy instead of people we (used to) trust as so called conservatives.


49 posted on 04/30/2006 9:45:29 PM PDT by 308MBR (The GOP should remember the fate of the Whigs as they run away from their base.)
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To: Crackingham
At least he wasn't wearing this:


50 posted on 04/30/2006 9:52:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (MALDEF and LULAC have infested this forum....as if RINOS weren't bad enough)
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