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Report to FR on Freeper Candidate for Congress, NC 11th District
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 3 May 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 05/02/2006 9:34:31 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

This is the Fifth and Final - for now - Report on the Campaign for the 11th District in NC. The eight-term Congressman, Charles Taylor, has defeated me for the nomination of the Republican Party. However, Mr. Taylor's career as a Member of Congress is now over.

That paradoxical conclusion is not a matter of my opinion. It is based on observations of lifelong residents in western Carolina who've been active in politics most of their adult lives. Consider the parameters of this race:

Charles Taylor is a long term incumbent who worked his way up the ladder to a position on the Appropriations Committee of the House. His newsletters back to the District for years have featured the amounts of money garnered for various entities and local governments. Mr. Taylor had the apparent support of every Republican elected official in western Carolina. And he had effectively unlimited funds, in light of the fact that he loaned his own campaign slightly less than $990,000 in the last election cycle to have sufficient funds to win. All that loaned money has since been repaid to Mr. Taylor from on-going fundraising, so he is in a position to do the same thing in this election year.

In addition, Mr., Taylor had both a professional staff as a Member of Congress, and a volunteer staff of outsiders, to assist him in campaigning as he approached the primary. According to his Federal Election Commission filings, Mr. Taylor spent $255,000 before the primary election.

By contrast, I had no professional staff, and a very limited volunteer staff. I have never held any public elective office. My FEC filings show I spent less than $24,000, prior to this election.

You can understand why knowledgeable political observers told me I'd be fortunate to break 10% of the total vote in the Republican primary. One observer stated that if I "did take 20%, Taylor would be finished as a viable candidate for re-election." The total vote in the Republican primary was 32,845 as of 12:16 a.m., Wednesday. I received 19.8% of that vote. The results have been fairly consistent among the 15 counties in the District, and over time since first votes were reported at 8:08 pm yesterday. So, this result should hold up as the remaining votes in the District are reported.

In a split District where a winning Republican has to hold his base, more than break even among independents, and draw a few votes from conservative Democrats, Taylor's 20% leakage against me in the primary tells the local experts that Taylor cannot win the general election this year.

The first independent poll of the 11th District, probably by the Asheville Citizen-Times, will measure the race between Mr. Taylor and Heath Shuler, a one-time football player and first time candidate for public office, who won the Democrat primary today. If that poll, six months before the election, shows Shuler significantly ahead, then the conclusions of the experts who talked to me will be confirmed.

The bottom line has turned out as I described in my Fifth Report on the Campaign, before the primary. Either Congressman Taylor will conclude that he cannot win the general election this year and withdraw -- as Congressman DeLay did in Texas this year. Or, the leaders of the Republican Party, both locally and nationally, will compel Taylor to withdraw -- as Senator Torricelli was forced to do in New Jersey in 2006. This is NOT a year in which the Republicans can afford to throw away a seat in Congress because their current nominee cannot recognize defeat staring him in the face.

So, my campaign will not end at this point. It will go into semi-hibernation until such time as the Republican nomination in this District needs to be filled by the decision of the 11th District Republican Committee.

I hope that all of you are gratified by the results obtained so far, on the resources and skills available. I hope you will support me in the quiet effort to be prepared, in case there's a change in the Republican nomination. And I hope you will support me again, should I be the new Republican nominee.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this primary, and possibilities beyond that.

John


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KEYWORDS: appropriations; bitter; charlestaylor; congressmanbillybob; eighttermincumbent; johnarmor; republicanparty; soreloser
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To: Congressman Billybob
I never "bad-mouthed Taylor." I wrote and published exactly one article that pointed out five different million-dollar and up errors in hie Reports filed with the Ethics Committee.

Never? One article? Really? Care to explain this:

To: rocksblues

Mollohan is as crooked as a dog's hind leg, as they say hereabouts.
[snip]
Meantime, the man I'm running against, Charles Taylor from NC, has done all the things that Mollohan has done, just not in numbers quite as large. Millions, but not as many millions.
[snip]
19 posted on 04/21/2006 11:50:47 PM EDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

Or, how about this:

Interview With John Armor, Republican Candidate in NC-11

Charles Taylor, Armor emphasized, has a long history of ethical problems that could become criminal problems.
[snip]
Armor asserted that "Assuming he [Taylor] survives an ethics investigation, and there are multiple 5 million dollar gaps in what he filed [with the FEC]," Taylor's fiscal inconsistencies could lead to "criminal prosecutions".

I can post more if you wish. Nah, you didn't bad-mouth him at all. Only just about everytime you opened your mouth on the internet or in an interview.

Taylor signed those Reports under penalties of perjury, and I quoted them accurately. No one in Taylor's camp has suggested that a single fact, name, date or number I cited was the slightest bit inaccurate.

Why would Taylor bother responding to a bug they don't consider worth squashing? If you had made a splash with 5 or 10 good ideas for the district that got some publicity, they might have responded to what you had to say.

As for the rest of your allegations, time and circumstance will answer them. Observe and learn.

I have "observed and learned." I notice that you don't deny that "circumstances," namely your routine and resounding defeat, have already demonstrated that conducting an "internet" vanity campaign doesn't amount to squat. Great for the ego, maybe gets you some play on message boards, but other than that, well, what can I say.

And you seem to think that I was stating my own conclusions.

No, I pointed out that the "paradoxical conclusion" seemed to be delusional.

Your knowledge of the politics of this area is derived how?

Why would whether or not I have any knowledge whatsoever of your area matter? I'm not commenting on the "politics of" your "area," I'm commenting on you and your actions, or lack thereof. Voters everywhere seem to detect BS equally well, and the voters of your area have spoken. Loudly.

So, let me congratulate you on your stunning loss again. Fortunately, it's highly likely that you and your "campaign" will soon be forgotten by the voters, and hopefully it hasn't contributed to a loss of a Republican House seat.

41 posted on 05/03/2006 6:36:17 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well, voter turnout was extraordinarily low for this primary election. That says to me that people didn't much care, and knew that Taylor would win the primary.

Since Taylor accumulated 80% of the vote in the GOP primary, it would take some major catastrophe for the GOP to substitute another candidate for the general election.

I note that the loser of the DEM primary recieved more votes than you did on the GOP side, as well.

If you wish the district to be represented in Washington by a Republican, I advise you to endorse Taylor as soon as possible. If you do not, and you continue to malign him on the internet, there will be a DEM from your district in Washington after the general election.

Does Taylor have skeletons in his closet? I wouldn't be surprised. Most congresscritters do. Will the Abramoff thing sink him? I doubt it very much.

But, it's your decision, of course. You can continue to malign Taylor and get a DEM as a congressman or you can do the right thing and simply endorse him or say nothing.

It's up to you Billybob. This 2006 election is going to be a critical one. You can either help to maintain a GOP majority or you can help to establish a DEM majority. Which is it going to be?


42 posted on 05/03/2006 6:40:32 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: TaxRelief; AntiScumbag; Torie; MineralMan; Congressman Billybob
Of course not, but that's irrelevant. If Taylor loses it won't be because he registered Republicans cross-vote but because he needs registered Democrats and Unaffiliated to win. Only about 36% of the district's voters are registered Republicans. Those Pubbies who are discontented with Taylor will mostly either bite the bullet and fall in line or otherwise just not vote at all.

In any case, to speak to the topic of the thread, I will be extraordinarily surprised if Taylor resigns. The way Taylor wins tough elections is he waits until the last six weeks and then dumps however much money into his campaign that he needs to win, and to date it's worked. I rather doubt he'll see himself as more vulnerable than in 2000 and 2002 when he had major allegations of tax evasion (though Sam Neill was a far inferior challenger).

Besides that, however, I would venture that John Armor (Billybob) is gonna have a really huge uphill climb to push Tom Apodaca, Wilma Sherrill, Nathan Ramsey, Carl Mumpower, Joe Dunn, etc, etc out of the way for the GOP nomination if it comes open.

43 posted on 05/03/2006 6:48:59 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiScumbag
Congressman Billybob: Meantime, the man I'm running against, Charles Taylor from NC, has done all the things that Mollohan has done, just not in numbers quite as large. Millions, but not as many millions.

Antiscumbag: Nah...you didn't bad-mouth him at all. Only just about everytime you opened your mouth on the internet or in an interview.

You lost me here. If Taylor has done something criminally wrong, it is not "bad-mouthing" to attempt to expose his crimes. If Taylor is innocent, then Taylor would have the option to sue for slander.

You are making an awfully good argument for hiding Taylor's misdeeds under the rug.

44 posted on 05/03/2006 6:50:32 AM PDT by demoRat watcher (Keeper of the Anthropocentrism Ping List)
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To: demoRat watcher
If

Key word, that.

Since, at this point, there's nothing beyond mere allegations, which anyone can make, the entirety consists of bad-mouthing.

Makes for a wonderfully positive campaign, huh? I'm sure it inspired the voters.

45 posted on 05/03/2006 6:59:35 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: demoRat watcher
Not to mention the previously quoted flat statement:

I never "bad-mouthed Taylor." I wrote and published exactly one article that pointed out five different million-dollar and up errors in hie Reports filed with the Ethics Committee.

Which is quite obviously not true, as the above quotes demonstrated.

46 posted on 05/03/2006 7:03:44 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag
You seem to have an ax to grind...Which in turn sparks questions.

Where do you live?

Are you now working, or have you ever worked for the Taylor campaign?

Or maybe you work within or for the GOP party?

Or possibly is this just some Internet personal flame war?

Just curious.....

Thanks-

47 posted on 05/03/2006 7:13:32 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: TaxRelief; AntiScumbag; Torie; MineralMan; Congressman Billybob

Or maybe I should say that I doubt Taylor sees himself as much more vulnerable than in 2000 and in 2004. Although early in 2002 it seemed he may be, since the late-breaking ethics allegations from 2000 might've had more time to sink in, Neill's campaign never really got off the ground in 2002, as he was rightly written off by just about everyone, since he couldn't seal the deal in 2000 (or even make it all that close).

Taylor probably doesn't see himself as much more vulnerable this year than in 2004 against Patsy Keever. Patsy Keever was a far more experienced campaigner by comparison to Heath Shuler. She was from the population center (Buncombe Co) whereas Heath Shuler is from Waynesville, and is very slightly subject to the 'carpet-bagger' charge since he had settled in Knoxville TN until he decided to run against Taylor (I doubt that'd make any difference though).

Keever's campaign didn't really sink until the last few weeks when she seemed like a flip-flopper on abortion and same-sex marriage.


48 posted on 05/03/2006 7:17:37 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Osage Orange
Where do you live?
Are you now working, or have you ever worked for the Taylor campaign?
Or maybe you work within or for the GOP party?
Or possibly is this just some Internet personal flame war?

Be sure to let me know when you have something of substance to say about a comment I've made. And don't forget to let us know when you stopped beating your wife/kid/dog.

49 posted on 05/03/2006 7:32:46 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: MedicalMess

Your parents named you Griffin Griffin. They watched a lot of "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman" before you were born?


50 posted on 05/03/2006 7:51:05 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Glad to see you taking the positive tact. Keep the faith.


51 posted on 05/03/2006 7:52:08 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: AntiScumbag

Well..that pretty much confirms it.


52 posted on 05/03/2006 8:22:41 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: AntiGuv
{The way Taylor wins tough elections is he waits until the last six weeks and then dumps however much money into his campaign that he needs to win, and to date it's worked.}

This MO is standard for all GOP candidates. President Bush didn't begin his 2004 re-election campaign until the GOP convention in NYC. Also Richard Burr didn't start campaigning until October 2004.

I would attribute the low turnout in IN to the GOP hording all their resources until Labor Day weekend.
53 posted on 05/03/2006 8:31:38 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool; Torie; TaxRelief; AntiScumbag; MineralMan; Congressman Billybob
Maybe my previous post was unclear, but what I mean is that Taylor waits until the last six weeks then dumps however much of his own money he thinks he needs to win. Then he just pays himself back with campaign funds raised afterward. That's why Taylor is reporting $806,974 raised but only $99,510 cash on hand. He hardly spent all that to win the primary (actually he didn't spend anything expressly to win the primary). What he did was pay back about $700,000 in secured loans to his campaigns.

IOW, do not be deceived by Taylor's cash numbers - there is no doubt he will have enough to compete, and more. What's more important to watch, moneywise, is the opponent's number, to get a sense of whether Shuler can survive the Taylor money infusion in the last six weeks.

PS. One of the many reasons why Taylor is extremely unlikely to drop out, BTW, is because, unlike TX-22 or OH-18, NC-11 may very well be more likely to flip parties if Taylor drops out, notwithstanding his ethics problems. The district is far more marginal than TX-22 and OH-18, and both the Taylor numbers and the Bush numbers are deceptive in terms of GOP strength. In most statewide races, NC-11 is either about 50/50 or the Dems win it. That is not at all the case with TX-22 or OH-18 in those states.

The district is more marginal to begin with, and the Asheville area is steadily drifting leftward, and a GOP replacement nominee would be at a distinct money disadvantage for at least some while.

54 posted on 05/03/2006 8:54:31 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiScumbag

"Be sure to let me know when you have something of substance to say about a comment I've made. And don't forget to let us know when you stopped beating your wife/kid/dog."

By the tenor in your posts, I think Osage Orange's questions are perfectly legitimate. You sound like a very angry person with an ax to grind to whomever will listen.


55 posted on 05/03/2006 9:41:18 AM PDT by samanella ((Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy-all my bumper stickers say so))
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Charlie Taylor has run behind party lines in the district for years now. He has been caught up in one ethical scandal after another.

Most recently, he has been implicated in the Jack Abramoff case.


56 posted on 05/03/2006 9:43:05 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Your analysis is reasonable and cogent. Your strategy seems correct as well - lay low for a bit and see what the polls show. If Congressman Taylor bails, you're back in the game, so to speak.

Good success to you!


57 posted on 05/03/2006 9:48:13 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Congressman Billybob

Congratulations, you did better than I expected.

While it is possible that Taylor will drop out, or be forced to drop out, he is currently the Republican candidate. While he is the official candidate I hope that you will support, or at least not hinder his campaign.


58 posted on 05/03/2006 11:41:58 AM PDT by evilC (Call me Krusty)
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To: joesbucks
Regardless of politics, I'd be happy to buy you a cup of coffee anytime you happened to be in Asheville. Just give me advance warning to be available.

John / Billybob
59 posted on 05/03/2006 6:39:58 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: AntiScumbag
Apparently you have zero concept of how hard it is for any candidate to take a 20% bite out of the hide of an incumbent who's been in office for more than five terms. (Taylor had been in for eight terms.)

If you think that is either easy, or common, you're knowledge of congressional races is defective. And, "one article" means "one article." It was in the North Carolina Conservative. And lying on one's Ethics Committee Reports is a crime -- it's called perjury. Perhaps you missed the memo on that.

Lastly, you seemed to have missed the historical point that when incumbents are defeated for reelection, it is almost always a matter of political suicide. Almost never do they succumb to a challenger's campaign. Almost always there is a serious defect in the incumbent which leads directly to his/her defeat.

Your ignorance of the history of congressional elections is massive. You ought to read my seventh book, Why Term Limits?. As for your bias, I neither know nor care what the source of that is.

Have a nice day.

John / Billybob

60 posted on 05/03/2006 6:48:47 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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