Posted on 05/02/2006 11:56:46 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
If I understand your question, it's about if I'd start a civil war over my right to use chins labor. I'm thinking "No" but like I said, I'm not real sure what the question really is.
Regardless, you're making a lot of assumptions that I believe are just wrong.
First; I'm not a big-shot capitalist. I'm a low-wage worker like you. I've got lots of skills, but no-one wanting to pay me big money for any of them at the moment.
Second; your statement that:
"What is unpatriotic is selling a foreign product at below local market cost to produce it. That is called unfair competition. You are using foreign wage scales to undermine the US economy."
From my perspective, this statement is based on the application of misguided assumptions applied to a complete misunderstanding of economic realities. But, like durasell said, I've got the wrong ammo for this argument, and at this point, I'm going to take a pass on it. There's no way that I can explain a couple economic principles, that I believe in, to you, and have you seeing things like I do.
I'll just say this: China is becoming a world changing industrial empire. And short of a major war, that's just the way things are going to be. The fact the we don't like it as much as we liked the USA being one is irrelevant. The USA's manufacturing muscle will atrophy away, and not because of any simple matters like the peoples willingness to purchase America products. It's way beyond issues like that.
Walmart is a reflection of reality. If Walmart were to vanish tomorrow, nothing would really change. It would just be a minor bump in the road of reality. Chinese products would still flood our market at half the price that similar articles could be produced here. That's just the way things are. The way I see it; you can't change it so you'd best get used to it.
Yeah, the 'shut up and take it' approach.. used to hearing that. But I'm also capable of refusing to just take it. Sorry. Not a sheep.
durasell, what in the heck does that mean? Is he planning to force the world to submit to his will?
I'll tell you one thing; the next time you advise me to not try an argument, I just might actually listen.
Well, I want to assume that he's going to adapt....
I've thought about your rant, and I'm all for a worthy fight. In fact, there's nothing I'd rather do. But if you're determined to stop the sun from rising, you're on your own. Good luck.
I don't know why they are so hated. They hire the elderly, minorities, they provide overnight camping for Rv's. They give goods for a price that many people otherwise could not afford. What is the problem?
"Chinese products would still flood our market at half the price that similar articles could be produced here
Maybe we need to look at this from a different perspective.
To me, this seems like an issue of price vs. quality. If folks are going to buy items with the only criteria being price, it would seem that goods made in China are going to be purchased. But what of the quality? If consumers place more emphasis on quality, then the purchasing decision can become less clear cut, as the the matter becomes more focused on value.
For me at least, product quality is important. I've bought some American products labeled "Made in The USA" and they have been of a poor quality. And I've bought products made in China, and they have been of a good quality, better than their American rival products (e.g. a small grill I bought at K-Mart is still going strong three years later - it cost $20). And just from my perspective, over the last 10-15 years there seems to be more American products that are not of a good quality, yet have higher prices.
There's something to be said for putting more emphasis on product quality. I believe some folks would be willing to pay more for an item if the item quality if better.
And just from my perspective, over the last 10-15 years there seems to be more American products that are not of a good quality, yet have higher prices.
You have to go pretty far up the food chain to hit very high American quality. Alden shoes (as previously stated) is one example. Redwing boots is another. Green Design -- the furniture people -- are another. (All of these companies, by the way, have websites. You can google and see for yourself)
Then you get into the artisan stuff. Diamond cutting and jewelry design in the U.S. is unsurpassed.
All of these companies have global followings of loyalt customers. All produce very high quality products.
Interesting point, Fury. One problem.. over time, competition from overseas - the lower cost of production due to lower wage has caused American companies to cut corners at every turn. Everything from food products to shoes and cars has been effected. That forces American quality into the toilet as a result of the unfair competition. The problem drives itself after a while.. self perpetuating. But, then, this isn't news. It's expected as a matter of fact. Yet everyone pretends like it's just some odd coincidence and wants to play as though Chinese products find better currency over here because American products are bad. American products used to be the best - before outside and unfair competition forced us into a race to the bottom mentality on everything. You and I both know that greed plays as much a part in that as anything. But in the long term, the demon you let loose and allow to rule the roost is the one that will smash you while quoting back to you your own decisions.
US made products have turned to crap over time because of the dynamic over time of flooding the market with cheap chinese crap. And with what goal in mind? To make china the superpower and destroy the US - throwing the US over a barrel and into a corner over globalism.. Funny thing. When you have a 900 pound gorilla in the ring vs. a chi hua chi hua, the dog ain't gonna win. But if you dope the beast, kneecap it and hog tie it, the dog can whiz in the monkey's face and the only thing you'll hear is a whimper.
This is what the monied interests and globalists are doing to all of us.
hmmm...
you are correct
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