Posted on 05/03/2006 3:12:59 AM PDT by Elkiejg
......It is almost inconceivable that an argument is taken seriously that we don't have the right to secure our borders and determine who shall enter our country. Not only has such lunacy become respectable, but our mainstream media instantly, instinctively embraces such a position. Every radio headline newscast, almost every newspaper and television report willfully refuses to distinguish between illegal and legal immigrants. Each report stamps the mark of evil on the forehead of all who would guard our borders. ......
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And the honest answer would likely be their dope-addled minds.
Excellent idea!!!!!!
Excellent Post!
But you can have dual citizenship. With that you can move freely between Mexico and US without a problem and be able to collect some of the social services that Illegals currently can't get without it. A visa or green card is only temporary. Wouldn't they want dual citizenship?
My word, a voice of reason. This gentleman nails it. Suppose anyone will listen?
Just posted letter as stand alone thread.
"And the honest answer would likely be their dope-addled minds."
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Dope addled minds?
Ever repair a BMW 8 series?
Let's say the quarter panel needs replacing...
Can you take apart the right rear interior without destroying it?
Remove the rear glass without cracking it?...it does cost $2600.00 you know.
Do you know where all the HSS components are?
Do you know what areas you can TIG weld and what areas you can't?
Can you do a $15,000.00 - $30,000.00 repair on a $150,000.00 car and have retain 100% of it's factory integrity?
Can you take apart a $100,000.00 car (a car that took countless people and robots to assemble) and repair it back to factory specs without any flaws in the paint, interior or Chassis and then reassemble it?
You'd likely wind up with a wheel barrow full of "extra" nuts and bolts. LOL
Those are a few of the things I learned in my State Tech School.
Show you that illegal immigration lowers wages? It is basic economics (supply and demand) but if you cannot figure it out I will give you a personal example. When I hired a nanny in the early 1990's, I interviewed several young American citizens who were willing to work for one thousand a month ($12,000 a year, not exactly high pay). At the same time I was offered help in obtaining an illegal immigrant from Guatemala who would work for $400 (without of course Social security or unemployment taxes). When I asked them what they would do if their nanny who they brought from Guatemala got sick, they told me they would take them to the local public hospital for free (tax supported) care. I was appalled.
We chose to hire an American citizen and my experience disproves George Bush's assertion that no Americans want these jobs. They don't want them at the same rate paid to illegal workers and I don't blame them. We hired an American citizen, paid her a decent wage and paid all the required taxes because that was the right thing to do. George Bush evidently would think I was a fool for doing this. Indeed, at the same time that I paid a legal nanny a good portion of my middle income salary, many extremely wealthy members of the political and professional elite were making news for hiring illegal nannies and refusing to pay the required taxes (remember Zoe Baird and nannygate).
Our nanny’s situation was made worse by the fact that her husband worked in landscaping and his salary was also held down by the competition of many illegal immigrants he worked with. Even on their combined salaries, they barely got by. They could not afford dental care for their son and rarely went to the doctor and, they told me, they were not eligible for any welfare type programs such as food stamps. Here were two citizens working in jobs that George Bush tells us no Americans want. The truth is that American citizens have been forced out of these jobs by low wages. Multiply this story by the millions of illegal immigrants and you see how open borders is destroying the ability of an entire class of Americans to become even marginally self-sufficient.
By the way, I live in South Carolina. The town where I live has a little higher than the median home prices in America ($208,500) for 3 BR, 2 BA homes; right around $224,100 according to Sperlings. And, for the record, I'm in one that's about $50,000 less than the mean...and I'm okay with that.
The recent slump in sales would prove your point wrong. Home ownership is at its highest levels because of record low interest rates, not because of your illegal buddies.
They can do all this stuff, huh? So much for Jose being a threat.
The ones worried about illegals are the ones who refused to acquire the skills we taxpayers are spending beaucoup bucks to give them because they were doing doobies at lunch.
And maybe I am being unfair in some cases -- I'm sure often our schools fail to impart the appropriate skills despite the beaucoup bucks we are giving them.
Regardless, if you have the skills you should have considering what we spend on education you are not going to worry about illegals.
"They can do all this stuff, huh? So much for Jose being a threat."
Illegals take up entry level jobs.
That was my point.
Obviously that went completely over you head.
But that's only what is seen on the surface. The power of comparative advantage (division of labor) unlock once some people are freed up to pursue other, more productive, line of work. In a relatively short amount of time, additional training and skills are acquired by folks who used to do the more menial tasks and their labor becomes an input for more value-adding production. In the mean time, the real effect of what wages can purchase does increase as prices in the lower skilled pursuits lowers, causing costs to decrease to consumers.
Of course we're no longer talking about basic economics here. But what is basic is that basic economic theory teaches one to look at costs both seen and unsee; opportunity costs, economists call it.
They fill up the emergency rooms of the hospitals (not because of the Hippocratic oath but because liberal judges have ruled that hospitals MUST treat them and may NOT turn them away) insuring that if you go in with a legitimate emergency, you will wait 8 to 10 hours before they can get to you. They fill up the schools (in AZ, many of the schools have 50% to 75% illegals this became VERY obvious during the first and second rallies and really shocked the authorities to the point that most did NOT participate in the May 1 rally for fear of the backlash) they occupy 30% of the prisons, they account for 40% of the child molestations here in AZ, they increase insurance because they operate on the roads without insurance and the hit and run accidents have become so bad that we are forced to pay uninsured motorist premiums. They run car theft rings, running stolen cars to Mexico (AZ has the highest rate of stolen cars in the country), they are responsible for most of the breakins including home invasions (a particularly nasty form of breakin where they KNOW you're home and don't care).
It's utterly laughable that someone who lives in SC where there is very little immigration problems tells those of us living in border states how it really isn't a problem. I'd be more than happy to offer them all one way tickets to SC so you could find out first hand what living in this situation is really like, then we'll talk.
"So i don't think that Illegals drive down wages"
I think differently.
Visit a construction site sometime.
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