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Republican Right Abandoning Bush
MSNBC ^ | May 5, 2006 | AP

Posted on 05/06/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by wotan

WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

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To: reformedliberal

They are exceptions because in most cases the GOP does what it can to terminate their challenge or obstruct their run. The reason? They don't go along to get along. They stand on solid ground and the lilly livered pubbies can't have that. The last thing that the Party wants is for people to know that conservatives can get elected. They are busy telling us that we can't win, so we should just quit and throw our support to them to get some of what we want.

It's a mantra that has worked for them for a long time. I think that it's not as effective anymore. Some people are just realizing that we've been lied to. Others knew it and are just tired of it.

Yes, you did acknowledge a lot of what I said, but I thought that you treated it as just a fluke and not a worthy course of action consistently. If I misunderstood, I apologize.


401 posted on 05/06/2006 4:36:11 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: Badray
Exactly ... Reagan made tactical moves/concessions on "lesser" issues to gain support for the "big" issues (destroying Soviet Communism being at the top of the list).

In many respects, I see "Senor Jorge Arbusto" emulating this. The biggest current issue out there right now is the war against Islamist extremism (aka the GWOT). The biggest long-term issue out there is the direction/makeup of the Judiciary and SCOTUS. Concessions on spending and immigration are for Bush exactly what they were for Reagan ... tactical maneuvers.

Allowing the Dems to control one (let alone BOTH) Houses of Congress would be disasterous ... if only for what the inevitable investigations (backed by subpoena power) would do to the GWOT. Beyond that, while we all know what control of the Senate would allow Dems to do to Bush Judicial nominees, it's also probable that a win in the House alone would make a continuing Dem Senate minority all the more intransigent (as well as giving aid/comfort to the Senate RINOS/Gang of 14 members).
402 posted on 05/06/2006 4:40:20 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: wmileo

I'll support solid conservatives and vote for any that I can. Those who are RINOs just will not get my support. Those who vote to take my liberty will not get my vote.

You seem to come to the same conclusion that I did, only 2 years later. I'm tired of giving them 'just one more chance'. We've been doing that for 40 years and I won't do it again.


403 posted on 05/06/2006 4:40:59 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: reformedliberal
I hope Santorum wins.

I don't know where you live, but even after I tell you some of the crap he's done, you still want him to win? WHY?

We came within 6000 votes of removing Specter (out of 1 million votes). Specter, a 4 term incumbent, outspent Toomey by a margin of 4 to 1. He had the full backing of the GOP at every level. He had Senor Jorge Arbusto and Rick Santorum -- two men thought to be conservatives -- tell PA that they needed to reelect Specter because he was 'with us' when we needed him. Three months prior to the election, Toomey was a relative unknown and had about 15% of the vote. Those numbers grew with each passing week. He inspired people to get out and vote for him. He/we had assembled a grass roots organization that was the envy of every pol and in just a matter of months, came that close to ridding the Senate of Specter. We failed, but it was close enough to tell me that we are on the right track and we must continue our fight. Two years ago I was predicting that Santorum would lose because of what he did to Toomey. Since then, I've watched his record more closely and found him to be a self serving pandering politician with no core except himself. Now I am recommending that people vote 3rd party. I wish there was an acceptable and viable alternative, but there isn't. Ricky simply does not deserve to be reelected. He needs to get on with his life's work. I cannot and will not accept responsibility for the failure of the GOP to attract voters. My vote must be earned. It can't be bought or scared out of me.

404 posted on 05/06/2006 4:53:47 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: tanknetter

Give me a break.

Partial birth abortion is reprehensible even to most people who are in favor of abortion. I am opposed to all abortion with the one exception being the immediate threat to the life of the mother if an abortion is not done at that moment. No exception for rape or incest.

Since Jorge lost his veto pen (apparently at one of the Inaugarl Balls) he couldn't have vetoed the bill even if he wanted to. He's never vetoed a single bill. He gets no points for me on that. Had he not signed, he would have been lynched.

O'Connor needed to be replaced, but Jorge almost put Harriet Miers in first until we had a collective fit and stopped him.

I know that you are trying hard to give him credit for something and he has done some good things, but the bad that he has done in so many areas outweigh them all.


405 posted on 05/06/2006 5:01:06 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: Badray

Say hello to Nancy and Harry for me.


406 posted on 05/06/2006 5:02:16 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: georgia2006

Who said conspiracy? But there was a recognition that he wouldn't be business as usual, so a consensus of opinion by the power elites did work against him.

He also has a power to articulate principle exceedingly well and like a good preacher, to make the sinner feel uncomfortable when confronted with his sins. Sadly, rather than repent and turn away from their sins, too many sinners decide not go to church, metaphorically speaking, of course.


407 posted on 05/06/2006 5:11:23 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: wmileo
Say hello to Nancy and Harry for me.

Will do...call us next time you're ready to make the opposition bend instead of your own team.

408 posted on 05/06/2006 5:16:12 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I am absolutely appalled by something that happened this week.

I have a lady that comes in to clean once in a while.

She let me know she was moving back to Ohio....because the state will pay her $2000 a month to WATCH HER OWN GRANDCHILDREN. Her *29 year old* daughter wants to get her GED.

Now I am wondering if my state has such stupid policies in place. Every time I hear anchor baby, I just want to explode.


409 posted on 05/06/2006 5:17:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom (If fences don't work, why is there a fence around the White House?)
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To: wmileo

No, I don't want the Dems to assume more control than they already have, but I won't be bullied and cannot be bought and I will not accept responsibility for the failure of the the GOP to have the testicular fortitude to do what's right.

I wish that they could read the American mood as well as the Beast can. She knows that American wants border security. Now, she lies and says that she wants one too, but at least she know that we mean business. The GOP is too stupid to know it and too cowardly to do anything if they do know. Their failure is theirs alone. Their loss is their own. The blame is theirs, not mine.

I communicate with my state and federal officials. They know me by name and on sight. They know that I will not suffer their bad acts in silence and I will not be shy about pointing out their record to everyone or do it publicly.


410 posted on 05/06/2006 5:21:15 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: wmileo

I don't care if Casey is wonderful. He will add one vote to the donk caucus and if not balanced by a GOP pickup of a donk seat, it is one less vote for committee chairs and judges and funding the troops, etc.

It takes a very strong person to run on a party platform and then buck the leadership. I only see Ds from the red states doing that, even once in a while.


411 posted on 05/06/2006 5:24:12 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: TAdams8591

Some take that 'lack' as a postive thing.

He never learned how to be a politician in all of its worst connotations. His government and private experience were solid pluses. His knowledge of the issues and history and his ability to articulate principle were unmatched by any career politician.

He's earned my respect and trust. I'll help him anytime that I can.


412 posted on 05/06/2006 5:25:52 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: Badray

I want the GOP to retain 55 Senate seats and hopefully add to them.

It is us or them. I know the left. I do not underestimate them or their agenda. There is a huge difference between the GOP and the donks. Neither may be conservative, so from a conservative POV, there is no difference. However, from my pragmatic POV and based on what I know of progressives from personal experience, I'll take the GOP in power, rather than out.

Many of us do not invest totally in any one politician. Incrementalism works....look at what we have to deal with even now, even with governmental power to the center right, just because the left has bureaucratic and cultural hegemony.

I am not going to aid or abet them one whit. No one will learn any lessons and I, my family and friends and my country will really suffer. No thanks.


413 posted on 05/06/2006 5:33:24 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: snoringbear

If you want the democrats to win in a walk. Stay home. Its just that simple. Just dont complain when it happens.


414 posted on 05/06/2006 5:42:02 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: tanknetter

Yes, of course, a constitutionally compliant SCOTUS is important and it would still be possible, although more difficult in either secenario, but less so with the conservative POTUS. A good Congress can keep the worst liberals off the court, or again, act to blunt a bad court. They do have the constitutional authority to restrict the Supremes.

From history, good judges are hard to find and even harder to keep that way. Even the good presidents have flubbed in making their decisions so it's a crap shoot at best except with the most solid of conservatives (like me). Give me a strong conservative congress to make me happy. Strong, principled, steel spined, uncompromising men and women of good character who understand and appreciate liberty and their role in protecting it.

Okay. So I'm a dreamer. Or a revolutionary. But I'm in good company.


415 posted on 05/06/2006 5:45:42 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: reformedliberal

Your blind spot is you think you know the left, and we don't.

Just because your name is reformedliberal, doesn't mean you're the only one. Many of us learned to hate the tiger, because we rode on it for so long.

We survived eight years of Clinton the last time a Bush sold us out. We'll survive until the right figures out it needs to fear it's own more than the left if it wants to stay in power.


416 posted on 05/06/2006 5:47:59 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Badray
Actually, I'd like to ditch the RINOs and just have a party based on solidly constitutional principle. Don't worry. You'll not be invited to join.

Go ahead.

In fact, why don't you join the Constipation Party? It's made up of a bunch of self-righteous jerks who have never run anything but their mouths, yet they'll tell everybody that only THEY are true to the Constitution.

You'd fit right in.

417 posted on 05/06/2006 6:04:34 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: tanknetter

Your preceptions are opposite mine.

Jorge has failed on these huge issues:

CFR -- He did a Kerry. He said he opposed it then signed it.
The borders -- He refuses to do anything.

Spending -- Worse than a fleet of drunken democrat sailors.

Education -- Giving into Kennedy and the left to greatly increase their role and their budget.

Judges (He really tried to screw that up, but we were able to stop him. Twice. He also wanted Gonzalez on SCOTUS. We forced him to do the right thing with Alito (hopefully), but we had to FORCE him. Clinton was easier to force to do the right thing by a strong House.

Specter -- He could have stayed out of the primary and Specter would be history. Instead, he is a constant thorn.

PATRIOT Act -- This is being used to justify all sorts of intrusions into our lives and for ordinary criminal cases and civil matters. It was supposed to protect us from terrorists. But now, even Cuban freedom fighters -- who fought on our side at the Bay of Pigs -- are considered terrorists because their activity was illegal under Cuban law. This law would have our Founders locked up or barred from the country they made possible for us. Had Clinton tried to get this through, he would have been pilloried. We applauded Jorge for imposing it on us.

There are not minor issues that can be used as throwaways and he's guilty on all counts.


418 posted on 05/06/2006 6:05:45 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: sinkspur

And you hacks and your party are running us into the ground. You have no appreciation for liberty or for your duty to protect and the defend the Constitution against ALL enemies -- foreign and domestic.

You'll do what's right, only if it doesn't cost you votes.

The only thing that's constipated around here is you and you are so full of it that your eyes show it.


419 posted on 05/06/2006 6:10:31 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: mariabush

I agree, things could be alot worse, but with the GOP holding all houses it should be alot better.


420 posted on 05/06/2006 6:20:03 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: Straight Vermonter
--- It doesn't bother you that he and the GOP congress spend faster than the Clinton administration? ---

I wasn't discussing the subject of spending. Tax cuts and generating record federal revenues are mutually exclusive of spending.

And if you know anything about the 'debt-to-GDP ratio', then you'd know that the USA is one of the most healthy in the world.

As I told you, Bush gave me a great economy... That's all I ask. I'll take care of the rest myself.

You whine too much.

421 posted on 05/06/2006 7:13:12 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

conservatism=whining.

Ok now I see.


422 posted on 05/06/2006 7:14:46 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Badray
You accuse me of using the perjorative, yet in the same breath, you use the two most common perjoratives that the conservative extremists use, RINO and BushBot(apologist for Senor Jorge). You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

As I previously said, moderates have no objection with compromising, but we are reasonably certain that you won't be interested in that. If you don't get what you want, you'll stay home or vote third party.

423 posted on 05/07/2006 3:45:55 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Straight Vermonter
--- conservatism=whining. Ok now I see. ---

You are scaring me. You are arguing like a liberal - incoherent. Would you like to discuss a real subject such as I mentioned about the debt-to-GDP ratio?

424 posted on 05/07/2006 5:52:19 AM PDT by avacado
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To: reformedliberal

"I want the GOP to retain 55 Senate seats and hopefully add to them."

I am with you.


425 posted on 05/07/2006 6:37:33 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Badray

Changed party's?... Sorry bud, you have me confused with someone else! I have been a Republican ALL of my life. I have been a Conservative much longer than that!!!!!!!!!

LLS


426 posted on 05/07/2006 7:20:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Badray

One insignificant opinion.

LLS


427 posted on 05/07/2006 7:21:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: wotan

The MSM with the big lie, said often enough...people believe it. Drives down poll numbers, self-fulfilling prophecy.


428 posted on 05/07/2006 7:23:14 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Badray

"WE" pay federal taxes to fund the Fed, and Congress set up FEMA for disaster relief. If it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, you can challenge that premise in court.

I didn't hear your type of complaint when the Fed cleaned up the Twin Towers, or when the Fed cleaned up the rubble after California's last bad quake. Natural causes, or an act of War... disaster management cannot be handled by the State alone. Louisiana and Governor Blanko proved that fact beyond a shadow of a doubt. Haley Barbour was magnificent, but he had plenty of aid from the Fed to handle things properly. It will take a strong alliance of both for success.

"OUR" Nation was founded in Faith. You take GOD out of America, and America will be GODLESS! A GODLESS America will not endure.

LLS


429 posted on 05/07/2006 7:29:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

"OUR" Nation was founded in Faith. You take GOD out of America, and America will be GODLESS! A GODLESS America will not endure."

........

You God that right. A gold star has been placed next to your name. Bless you.


430 posted on 05/07/2006 7:32:43 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: ARCADIA

America is a two party country. Pick one or the other. Anything else is a waste of your vote.


431 posted on 05/07/2006 10:14:41 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: wotan
Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Anybody can read FR and see that this is true.

432 posted on 05/07/2006 10:21:28 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: ran15

Excellent ideas. I Iike the idea of starting small. The left is excellent at incrementalism. They know Rome wasn't built in a day. I hope your are in some sort of political position. Thanks for your response.


433 posted on 05/07/2006 10:52:57 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: LetsRok
America is a two party country. Pick one or the other. Anything else is a waste of your vote.

I don't recall any mention of either party in our constitution; if we must be a two party nation, then you have best get ready to greet the new parties which will soon replace the two worthless ones we currently have.
434 posted on 05/07/2006 11:03:02 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: avacado

You started with the ad hominems. Don't complain about how I am arguing.

I am fully aware of the debt to GDP ratio. The United States currently owes $8.3 trillion. Our entire economy is $11.75 trillion. That means our public debt is 71% of our entire economy.

This would not be an overwhelming ratio (although it is pretty high historically) if spending were headed in the right direction. Unfortunately, the GOP big government programs are heading us in the wrong direction. Just consider that the SS/medicare liability alone is going to be twice as large within 25 years.

What is wrong with asking our politicians to do a good job on both sides of the books?


435 posted on 05/07/2006 11:19:10 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: EternalVigilance
And as long as RINOs like this have free play, no one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to hold the GOP coalition together.

The GOP was a coalition before you came to it, and will be a coalition long after you leave it, which you most probably will. History says it's likely and that it will happen in '08.

As for your whine, if I had a pic of some cheese and crackers, you could have a nice snack. Nice to see you present your colors, as usual.

Just pitiful really.....

436 posted on 05/07/2006 11:26:17 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Badray
If you don't agree with my analysis, then fine. I have no problem with that.

But that is not what generally happens, or what happened with the exchange between me, and EV.

What he did, and almost always does, is to launch directly into a personal attack.

A person can take that is one of two ways. You can respond in kind, or you can blow it off with a bit of sarcasm and humor.

It is usually the case that sarcasm and humor are taken as personal by anyone who is so wrapped up in their own personae that everything to them is personal and rational discussion is unwanted and rejected in favor of a spitting contest. This is the case with EV and most blind activists on both the liberal and conservative side. In fact, you cannot tell the difference between them if you did not know something about the individual.

This is the disease that is damaging the coalition, and I have come to the conclusion that it will not be cured without some pain to the party.

Either it stops, or the GOP with collapse from within without any assistance from the Dems.

You know it, I know it, we all suspected it and now it is happening.

Either this party gets along with it's own membership, or we will have to dismantle the base. It is obvious to anyone who cares, and has been repeated many times over the past three years and in previous election cycles.

The warning was issued, the dire predictions were made, and now the reality of it will occur. I don't think anyone on the conservative side has ever had any inclination to stop it, so the blame is easy to place.

437 posted on 05/07/2006 11:41:38 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: teawithmisswilliams
80% of Americans want the border secure and illegals deported.

"If you had to make a choice, would you favor deporting immigrants in America who are not legal citizens and do not have work permits, or would you favor allowing these immigrants to stay in America as long as they pass a security check, meet certain conditions, and pay taxes?"

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Deport
Them
Allow Them
To Stay
Unsure    
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4/21-24/06 35 61 4

"If you had to make a choice, would you favor deporting immigrants in America who are not legal citizens and do not have work permits, or would you favor allowing these immigrants to stay in America as long as they pass a security check, meet certain conditions, and pay taxes?"

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Deport
Them
Allow Them
To Stay
Unsure    
% % %    
4/21-24/06 35 61 4

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). April 21-24, 2006. N=1,005 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.


438 posted on 05/07/2006 11:53:19 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Cold Heat
I don't think anyone on the conservative side has ever had any inclination to stop it, so the blame is easy to place.

Of course it is, for you, as I've predicted it would be all along.

The blame could never be with leaders who ignore conservative principles and treat the conservative base with arrogant disdain. /s

439 posted on 05/07/2006 11:53:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: wvobiwan

George is doing a great job with the war on terror, EXCEPT here at home

Your right, George also said that we will fight the war on terror "over there" so it won't come here, but, if the border's are NOT closed the enemy will come in.
Another reason why George's border policy is a disaster and that effects us here at home.


440 posted on 05/07/2006 11:54:19 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: wotan

Well I have to say the Stealth Rockefeller Republicans are ruining the party. Conservatives like nothing done halfway. And won't tolerate someone who is half-handed.


441 posted on 05/07/2006 12:00:32 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: Badray; Cold Heat; Gelato; Taxman; Waywardson; Broadside; Ladycalif
Cold Heat: This is the disease that is damaging the coalition, and I have come to the conclusion that it will not be cured without some pain to the party.

Either it stops, or the GOP with collapse from within without any assistance from the Dems.

You know it, I know it, we all suspected it and now it is happening.

Ain't that lovely, Ray? We've "got a disease" that "must be stopped".

Instead of satisfying conservatives by doing the right thing, they're determinded to purge them from the Party.

If, God forbid, they succeed, I hope they have fun trying to recruit the Hispanics. Maybe they can buy lists from ANSWER.

442 posted on 05/07/2006 12:02:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Once the GOP is finished chopping off all its "diseased" right-wing body parts, I wonder what will be left of the corpse.
443 posted on 05/07/2006 12:30:16 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Cold Heat
Re your post #307, the one that rubbed me the wrong way to begin with: I think you took way too many political science classes.

Every 10-12 years, the RNC has to do some house cleaning.

Care to give us some documented examples of when the RNC did such a thing? Or is this just a figment of your imagination.

Bush's term is over in "08 and the party will be forced to abandon it's extreme right wing to move to the center where the general electorate is.

Care to explain how one goes about such a purge?

Also, it will be in response to the DNC move to the center as well.

Sorry, bub. The DNC and its congressional leadership went irretreivably left quite some time ago. They don't know the way back.

It will be quite a battle for supremacy, and nobody that belongs to this so called true conservative wing of the party will be happy with the candidates that emerge from the primary fights.

Do you write fiction for a living?

The candidates will both be centrists, and both the extreme left wing and the right wing of each party will be alienated. There will be a mad scramble on both sides for third parties, and the winner will be chosen as a result of who is split worse, and who has more apathetic voters stay home.

Spoken with the confidence of a prophet.

I can't, at this time predict who that will be.

Crystal ball go fuzzy?

It depends on how many blue dog Democrats we pick up...

Hey, you might get all six of them that are left!

We are certain to suffer some severe loss in seats, but we may be able to hold on to the reigns.

"Reigns"? Hah...

One thing is clear. The Republican party will not look like it does today.

Without conservatives, what is left of it will look like a trial-size Democrat Party.

We cannot win elections with a somewhat large segment that is at war with the rest of the party.

Looks to me, reading your posts, that it is YOU that is "at war" with the majority in the GOP.

We cut Buchanan loose during the last upheaval...

Delusions of grandeur.

...and I would think that this cut will be much larger and deeper, based on the rhetoric coming from right wing congress critters.

Your repeated use of the word "right-wing" in a derogatory manner says much about where you're coming from.

The RNC needs to stop pussy footing and start playing hardball, or we will lose.

The RNC and its affiliates has never stopped "playing hardball" against conservatives. In fact, it is that very attitude that has led us to where we are now. And your solution to the bleeding is to cut the victim some more. Just brilliant.

We need to look this in the eye and take it to it's ultimate conclusion now, before it is too late to rebuild the base for the '08 general elections.

You're about five years behind Rove, and too ignorant to know that Rove's similiar plan died in the streets with marching illegal aliens...

...if we don't, it will be 2012 before we see power again.

You're from what I call the PIG wing of the party, obviously: "Power Is God".

444 posted on 05/07/2006 12:34:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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445 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:52 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Once the GOP is finished chopping off all its "diseased" right-wing body parts, I wonder what will be left of the corpse.

I don't know, but it will all fit in a shoebox.

446 posted on 05/07/2006 12:36:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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I don't know, but it will all fit in a shoebox.

That sums it up well.

Those who think power is an end in itself are in a self-destructive delusion.

447 posted on 05/07/2006 12:42:44 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: mariabush
Things could be a lot worse.

Campaign '06 election slogan?

448 posted on 05/07/2006 12:46:01 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Conservative (and Proud of It!) Party, anybody?

2006 may be a grand opportunity to begin taking our country/government back.

Minding the US Constitution, Illegal immigration (and border security), WINNING! the War on Terror and fundamental tax reform may be the four issues we can start with.

There are others, but these may just resonate with the American people and become the catalyst for a Conservative takeover.

Ideas? Comments?


449 posted on 05/07/2006 12:48:55 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

'Far right' is a perjorative. That is how the left describes us. Why would you use their terminology.

What is so 'far right' about believing in limited constitutional government? That is what the Founders gave us and that's what we want.

RINO is an accurate description of those who put the "R" beside their name, but believe and behave more like a "D".
If you take that as offensive, then change your ways.

Finally, if you make excuses for a president who cares more about the feeling of illegal aliens than he does for those of the American people, then you are an apologist. Again, that's just what you are by definition.

So, you RINO apologists will compromise whatever principle that you have and whine when we don't go along with you. All you are doing is slowly giving up our liberty while you think you are doing something noble. The bottom line is that you are simply enabling those who hate liberty.

Or maybe you are just hoping the alligator will eat you last and won't still be hungry when he gets to you.


450 posted on 05/07/2006 12:50:50 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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