Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Mansfield: A Final Warning from the Islamist Rulers of Iran?
Laura Mansfield's blog ^ | 8 May 2006 | Laura Mansfield

Posted on 05/09/2006 11:12:27 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast

A Final Warning from the Islamist Rulers of Iran?

By Laura Mansfield

Was yesterday’s letter from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinezhab to US President George W. Bush a “last warning” of sorts?

That’s a possibility that must be considered in any analysis of the letter.

It is indisputable that Iran’s president has been openly hostile towards both the United States and Israel in recent months.

As word of the letter leaked out, the satire/humor website Scrappleface.com posted the following “translation” of the letter, which they said was written to “George Bush, president of the Great Satan, puppet of Zionists” from “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of peaceful Islamic Republic of Iran”.

Their five-point satire of the Scrappleface version of the letter was as follows:

5. Wipe Israel off the face of the map. Replace with goat ranch.

4. U.S. buys Iranian oil. I make threatening statements causing uncertainty in petroleum markets. We use the windfall profits to pay Russia to help us make nuclear devices, and to pay China to stop U.N. sanctions. U.S. continues to buy Iranian oil.

3. Get U.N. to adopt ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy regarding uranium enrichment.

2. Put Zionists in boxcars. Send back to Europe. Replace Israel with goat ranch.

1. U.S. joins global Muslim Caliphate, ensuring peace and bountiful supplies of enriched uranium for all of Allah’s people.

As it turned out, the reality wasn’t too far from the satire.

The letter was openly hostile and derisive of the US, claiming that the entire world has turned against America. Only minimal reference was made to the nuclear standoff, and no solutions were proposed, leading one of my colleagues to comment “looks like Iran has already adopted the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy regarding the crisis.

The 18 page document details Iran’s complaints against the United States, and rails against US policies both domestically and internationally.

Iran’s president describes the letter as the “words and opinions of the Iranian nation" to assist in finding "way out of problems" facing humanity.

If the letter is anywhere near what is being described by the US Administration, then analysts must question “What’s the point?”

Why create and deliver such a missive in the public eye when there is little chance that the document is going to make any changes in the policies of either country?

Islamic theology documents that no attack can be carried out in jihad without first offering the “unbelievers” the opportunity to “repent” and accept Islam. Only when that overture is rejected can an attack occur.

Al Qaeda has repeatedly issued warnings prior to attacks, although the warning are never specific enough for the West to recognize the exact target or timing of the attack. However, the warning is made.

The Qu’ran documents that Allah even is required to issue such warnings. The following three verses from the Qu’ran are representative of the many that do this.

Surah 50, ayat (verse) 14 of the Qu’ran says:

The Companions of the Wood, and the People of Tubba'; each one (of them) rejected the messengerss, and My warning was duly fulfilled (in them).

Surah 41, ayat (verse) 13 of the Qu’ran says:

If they turn away, then say, "I am warning you of a disaster like the disaster that annihilated `Aad and Thamoud."

Surah 41, ayat (verse) 17 of the Qu’ran says:

As for Thamoud, we provided them with guidance, but they preferred blindness over guidance. Consequently, the disastrous and shameful retribution annihilated them, because of what they earned.

The question must be asked: Is this letter to the Bush Administration from Iran a “final warning” to the United States?

With the internationally accepted belief that the Islamist rulers of Iran and their Al Qaeda partners in terror either already have or are on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, it is imperative that we answer that question.

May 9, 2006: Complete text of letter from Iran's President to US President Bush

Mr George Bush, President of the United States of America

For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena -- which are being constantly debated, specially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might bring about an opportunity to redress them.

Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God,

Feel obliged to respect human rights,

Present liberalism as a civilization model,

Announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs,

Make “War and Terror” his slogan,

And finally, Work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern,

But at the same time, Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the … of a … criminals in a village city, or convoy for example the entire village, city or convey set ablaze.

Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the country pushed back perhaps fifty years. At what price? Hundreds of billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women – as occupation troops – put in harms way, taken away from family and love ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide ant those returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of aliments; while some are killed and their bodies handed of their families.

On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with.

Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards another goal, nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it. I point out that throughout the many years of the … war on Iran Saddam was supported by the West.

Mr President, You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can theses actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and forgiveness.

There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.

European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH), human rights and liberal values.

Young people, university students and ordinary people have many questions about the phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar with some of them.

Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that is exclusive to our times. Students are saying that sixty years ago such a country did no exist. The show old documents and globes and say try as we have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel.

I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told me that during WWII, which more than tens of millions of people perished in, news about the war, was quickly disseminated by the warring parties. Each touted their victories and the most recent battlefront defeat of the other party. After the war, they claimed that six million Jews had been killed. Six million people that were surely related to at least two million families.

Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate into the establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can this phenomenon be rationalised or explained?

Mr President, I am sure you know how – and at what cost – Israel was established:

- Many thousands were killed in the process.

- Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.

- Hundred of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and villages were destroyed.

This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing for sixty years now.

A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids, destroys houses while the occupants are still in them, announces beforehand its list and plans to assassinate Palestinian figures and keeps thousands of Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is unique – or at the very least extremely rare – in recent memory.

Another big question asked by people is why is this regime being supported?

Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH) or liberal values?

Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these lands – inside and outside Palestine – whether they are Christian, Muslim or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why is there so much opposition to a referendum?

The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observes have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put the elected government under pressure and have advised it to recognise the Israeli regime, abandon the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government.

If the current Palestinian government had run on the above platform, would the Palestinian people have voted for it? Again, can such position taken in opposition to the Palestinian government be reconciled with the values outlined earlier? The people are also saying “why are all UNSC resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed?”

Mr President, As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact with them -- many people from around the Middle East manage to contact me as well. They dot not have faith in these dubious policies either. There is evidence that the people of the region are becoming increasingly angry with such policies.

It is not my intention to pose to many questions, but I need to refer to other points as well.

Why is it that any technological and scientific achievement reached in the Middle East regions is translated into and portrayed as a threat to the Zionist regime? Is not scientific R&D one of the basic rights of nations.

You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievements being utilised for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed.

Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to.

Mr President, Don’t Latin Americans have the right to ask, why their elected governments are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, why must they constantly be threatened and live in fear?

The people of Africa are hardworking, creative and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from happening. Don’t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth – including minerals – is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others? Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights?

The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and grievances, including: the coup d’etat of 1953 and the subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters supporting, the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands of pages of documents corroborates this claim), support for Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats, anger and displeasure vis-à-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and collaborating their country’s progress), and many other grievances that I will not refer to in this letter.

Mr President, September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.

All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens.

Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?

All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbours of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatised by the attacks – some Western media only intensified the climates of fear and insecurity – some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic?

American citizen lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity?

Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification – for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media.

In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated incessantly – for the public to, finally, believe – and the ground set for an attack on Iraq.

Will the truth not be lost in a contrive and deceptive climate?

Again, if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the earlier mentioned values?

Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well?

Mr President, In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of governments so that their governments in turn are able to serve them.

The question here is “what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens?”

As your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living in poverty.

Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge problem. Of course these problems exist – to a larger or lesser extent – in other countries as well. With these conditions in mind, can the gargantuan expenses of the campaign – paid from the public treasury – be explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles?

What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region and in your country. But my main contention – which I am hoping you will agree to some of it – is:

Those in power have specific time in office, and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.

The people will scrutinize our presidencies.

Did we manage to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment?

Did we intend to establish justice, or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and powerful – thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs’?

Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them?

Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them?

Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats?

Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it?

Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors?

Did our administration set out to promote rational behaviour, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of guns.

Intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people’s rights?

And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office – to serve the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets – or not?

Mr President, How much longer can the world tolerate this situation?

Where will this trend lead the world to?

How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers?

How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction – hunt the people of the world?

How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and people’s houses destroyed over their heads?

Are you pleased with the current condition of the world?

Do you think present policies can continue?

If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states and distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably proud?

Would not your administration’s political and economic standing have been stronger?

And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the American governments?

Mr President, it is not my intention to distress anyone.

If prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were with us today, how would they have judged such behaviour? Will we be given a role to play in the promised world, where justice will become universal and Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be present? Will they even accept us?

My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the rest of the world? Today there are hundreds of millions of Christians, hundreds of millions of Moslems and millions of people who follow the teachings of Moses (PBUH). All divine religions share and respect on word and that is “monotheism” or belief in a single God and no other in the world.

The holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).

Mr President, According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God and follow the teachings of divine prophets.

“To worship a God which is above all powers in the world and can do all He pleases.” “The Lord which knows that which is hidden and visible, the past and the future, knows what goes on in the Hearts of His servants and records their deeds.”

“The Lord who is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all universe is His court” “planning for the universe is done by His hands, and gives His servants the glad tidings of mercy and forgiveness of sins”. “He is the companion of the oppressed and the enemy of oppressors”. “He is the Compassionate, the Merciful”. “He is the recourse of the faithful and guides them towards the light from darkness”. “He is witness to the actions of His servants”,

“He calls on servants to be faithful and do good deeds, and asks them to stay on the path of righteousness and remain steadfast”. “Calls on servants to heed His prophets and He is a witness to their deeds.” “A bad ending belongs only to those who have chosen the life of this world and disobey Him and oppress His servants”. And “A good and eternal paradise belong to those servants who fear His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves.”

We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only road leading to salvations. I have been told that Your Excellency follows the teachings of Jesus (PBUH), and believes in the divine promise of the rule of the righteous on Earth.

We also believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of the great prophets of the Almighty. He has been repeatedly praised in the Koran. Jesus (PBUH) has been quoted in Koran as well; [19,36] And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serves Him; this is the right path, Marium.

Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the credo of all divine messengers.

The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and the rest of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans.

We again read in the Holy Book: “The Almighty God sent His prophets with miracles and clear signs to guide the people and show them divine signs and purity them from sins and pollutions. And He sent the Book and the balance so that the people display justice and avoid the rebellious.”

All of the above verses can be seen, one way or the other, in the Good Book as well. Divine prophets have promised:

The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the Almighty, so that their deeds are examined. The good will be directed towards Haven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives have been directly or indirectly effected by our actions.

All prophets, speak of peace and tranquillity for man – based on monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity.

Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present problems of the world – that are the result of disobedience to the Almighty and the teachings of prophets – and improve our performance?

Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and justice?

Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally respected?

Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?

Mr President, History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God has entrusted

The fate of man to them. The Almighty has not left the universe and humanity to their own devices. Many things have happened contrary to the wishes and plans of governments. These tell us that there is a higher power at work and all events are determined by Him.

Can one deny the signs of change in the world today?

Is this situation of the world today comparable to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace.

The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world leaders. Many people around the wolrd feel insecure and oppose the spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept dubious policies.

The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots and the rich and poor countries.

The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.

The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion.

The people of the world have no faith in international organisations, because their rights are not advocated by these organisations.

Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems.

We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point – that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to join them?”

Mr President, Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.

Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda
Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran

May 8, 2006: IRNA: Pakistani MP Says Action Against Iran Would Trigger Israel's Annihilation

Islamabad, May 8, IRNA -- A Pakistani politician on Monday warned against any action by the United States against Iran, saying the Islamic Republic had the potential to play havoc with the Zionist regime.

Talking to IRNA here, Jamaat-e-Islami Information Secretary Shahid Shamsi, who is also Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal's spokesman, said that the best option to resolve the crisis was to step up efforts at the diplomatic front.

He maintained that the Iranian leadership had made it crystal clear to the US and the world community at large that in case of a war imposed on them, they would target Israel.

"I don't think the US will be able to simultaneously to continue being engaged in Iraq, Iran and also save Israel," he contended, and called on the International Atomic Energy Agency to resolve the issue.

US questions about Iran's nuclear programs are purely technical and are for the nuclear watchdog to try to answer, he said, adding that the United Nations Security Council was not the right forum to tackle the issue.

To a question, he said that the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal had plans to hold rallies to show solidarity with the Iranian and Palestinian governments.

The MMA spokesman said that the international community's closing its eyes on the Iranian issue and the difficulties the Hamas-led government was facing was leading to the gravity of the situation.

When asked about the possible impact of UN sanctions on Iran, he said that likely curbs might not do the needful, and added that the Iranian nation had in fact become used to such measures which have been imposed on it in the past.

He believed that Iran, as a sovereign nation, had the right to benefit from nuclear technology for peaceful purposes and referred to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's repeated assurances that Iran had no intention to make nuclear bombs.

(Description of Source: Tehran IRNA (Internet Version-WWW) in English -- official state-run news agency)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blog; crushislam; iran; iranletter; islamism; jihad
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-233 next last
Uh-oh.

In Mansfield's emailed newsletter, in commentary I don't find on her website, she notes:

===[begin Mansfield]

I suggest that everyone read this very carefully.

The holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).

Quoting the letter from Amahdinejad:

-----

Mr President, According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God and follow the teachings of divine prophets.

We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point - that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: "Do you not want to join them?"

-----

The gist is this: Iran's President has just officially invited the US to embrace Islam.

This is NOT good

====[end Mansfield]

Wow. "Not good" indeed.

That's an aspect of the letter that you will NOT find discussed in the mainstream media. I missed it completely myself. Yet it's obviously, blindingly evident. And very, very chilling, now that she has pointed it out.

See, inviting an enemy to embrace Islam is, traditionally, reserved as a last warning. For example:

"Ali Ibn Abi Talib encountered a man called 'Umru and told him, `I indeed invite you to Islam.' 'Umru said, `I do not need that.' 'Ali said, Then I call you to fight.' (This was the same policy Muhammad used with those who rejected his invitation.) 'Umru answered him, `What for my nephew? By God, I do not like to kill you.' `Ali said, `But, by God, I love to kill you"' (ibn Hisham, "The Biography of the Prophet", part 3, p. 113; see also Al Road Al Anf part 3, p. 263).

Have a nice day.

1 posted on 05/09/2006 11:12:30 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator

Argh, could you please correct the title, should be:

Mansfield: A Final Warning from the Islamist Rulers of Iran?

So sorry.

This is a vitally important take on the Ahmadinejad letter.


2 posted on 05/09/2006 11:13:43 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal; MamaDearest; Velveeta; nw_arizona_granny; JustPiper; DAVEY CROCKETT; nwctwx

FYI


3 posted on 05/09/2006 11:17:28 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Rushmore Rocks

How you doing?


4 posted on 05/09/2006 11:18:33 AM PDT by cibco (www.gasclubusa.net/go/llarson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cibco

Best in the the West. And you?


5 posted on 05/09/2006 11:21:45 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Laura's credentials are excellent, and her analysis looks solid.

All in all, this looks like the most likely reason for the letter.


6 posted on 05/09/2006 11:23:39 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Rushmore Rocks

Can't complain. Still hangin' in there.


7 posted on 05/09/2006 11:28:31 AM PDT by cibco (www.gasclubusa.net/go/llarson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: EternalHope; jimrob; Admin Moderator
"Laura's credentials are excellent, and her analysis looks solid. All in all, this looks like the most likely reason for the letter."

I agree. This is urgent breaking news and needs a huge spotlight.

JimRob & Admin Mod, please, move this back to Breaking News. Mansfield's conclusion is one of the most urgently important I've seen in months.
8 posted on 05/09/2006 11:31:19 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Let me guess....

Uh, jihad!?


9 posted on 05/09/2006 11:40:29 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I have an uneasy feeling we're going to be at DEFCON 1 sooner rather than later.

This maniac needs to be stopped, permanently.


10 posted on 05/09/2006 12:05:30 PM PDT by Deo volente
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast; All
ORIGINAL LETTER SENT TO GEORGE BUSH FROM MAHAMOUD AHMADINEJAD

From Six Meat Buffet

11 posted on 05/09/2006 12:06:20 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH) or liberal values?

Dang, until he used that term, he had be believing in him. (/Sarcasm on strong.)

12 posted on 05/09/2006 12:13:20 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians and the U.S. Government are liars, cheats and thieves, in it for their own gain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Deo volente

This latest Iran stuff is just fluff.


13 posted on 05/09/2006 12:14:01 PM PDT by Code_One
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Bush response:

Mahmood: We have asaying about people like you in Texas - all hat and no cattle. Shut your mouth, shut down the nukes, and keeping pumping out that oil. Going through life - short, ignorant and stupid - is no way to go through life, son.

Best Regards,

President george W. Bush


14 posted on 05/09/2006 12:14:30 PM PDT by plain talk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Code_One
"This latest Iran stuff is just fluff."

Believe that at your peril. History shows you should never let your guard down when a crazy messianic jihadist "invites you to Islam."
15 posted on 05/09/2006 12:19:21 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: plain talk
I like this one too:

Mahmood:

Nuts.

Best Regards,

President George W. Bush

16 posted on 05/09/2006 12:20:31 PM PDT by rhombus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Deo volente
"I have an uneasy feeling we're going to be at DEFCON 1 sooner rather than later."

If the Defense folks are paying attention to the Islamic subtext in this letter, we should be there now. Arguably, what the letter represents is the cocking of a trigger.
17 posted on 05/09/2006 12:21:14 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Finally, Mansfield's commentary allows this cryptic letter makes sense.

Gird your loins, people.

18 posted on 05/09/2006 12:21:31 PM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I don't even know what were supposed to be scared of?

After many years of research, Iran has made hundreds of centrifuges. I can't remember the exact number.

My point is that it takes thousands to actually make a bomb. And Iran is 10 plus years awy from that goal.

Even if they do eventually create a bomb...whose to say they would even use it?

Look to India and Pakistan as examples. Both are nuclear powers, both accuse each other of terrorism. Both have a terrible history of violence.

I've yet to read anything that would give the slightest hint of one country wanting to use their nukes on the other.

Iran just wants to puff its chest.

That's all.

And that aint gonna hurt no one.

Especially me or my family.


19 posted on 05/09/2006 12:27:51 PM PDT by Code_One
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast; All

I support Mansfield's general warning that, in the west,

similar early speeches and statements (in form, style and

substance) from Osama and others were, in retrospect, the

last major public pronouncements before some major event.

Such statements were ignored when delivered because the

form and style is so roundly dismissed in the west. But,

the westerners who dismiss these statements so lightly

ignore how important such messages are to the people who

make them.


20 posted on 05/09/2006 12:28:59 PM PDT by Wuli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Code_One

Divide your ten years by 5. That's how long we've got before you can kiss New York City goodbye.


21 posted on 05/09/2006 12:34:32 PM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

bttt


22 posted on 05/09/2006 12:37:01 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tomahawk; Code_One

And if the Iranians have some former Soviet suitcase nukes on their hands, it could be next week.


23 posted on 05/09/2006 12:37:26 PM PDT by Publius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Code_One

Signed up today, DUmmie?


24 posted on 05/09/2006 12:37:43 PM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Isn't this the "shahada invitation", as in

"Unbeliever, this is your only chance to convert to Islam. Since I already know what your answer will be, I am now free to kill you!"

DEFCON ONE will come sooner rather than later, IMO.


25 posted on 05/09/2006 12:37:51 PM PDT by elcid1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Code_One
"Iran just wants to puff its chest."

You seem to think that making nukes is the only way to get them. You're mistaken.

Besides, there's all sorts of mischief they could try, short of floating a nuke into Baltimore Harbor or something. For example, they could get frisky in the Strait of Hormuz or the Panama Canal. A USS Cole-type attack at either would put a big dent in world commerce. They could send a few jihadis with shoulder-fired missiles to loiter around some airports, then shoot at a few airliners in a simultaneous attack. (They wouldn't even have to hit their targets to cause havoc.) They could send some suicide bombers to a couple of packed stadiums. There are all sorts of ways for them to cause trouble if they decide the U.S. is not going to accept their invitation to Islam, which as Mansfield notes has been a warning of attack.

This is not the time to stick one's head in the sand, not when the enemy may be telling you, as his religion requires, that an attack is imminent.
26 posted on 05/09/2006 12:38:15 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I'd like to see the original copy of Mahmood's letter to determine if the DNC's fax number is on the bottom margin.


27 posted on 05/09/2006 12:38:31 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
and...

Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?

28 posted on 05/09/2006 12:38:57 PM PDT by houeto (G.W. Bush's legacy: The largest Spanish speaking country in the world!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elcid1970

Could be.

Kudos to Laura Mansfield for being the first to note this. I pray there are others in high positions who also noticed what she did.


29 posted on 05/09/2006 12:39:42 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).

Also from the letter above.
30 posted on 05/09/2006 12:41:27 PM PDT by be4everfree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Code_One
...Even if they do eventually create a bomb...whose to say they would even use it? ...

Ummm. THEY did.
31 posted on 05/09/2006 12:41:52 PM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Code_One

Welcome to Free Republic.


32 posted on 05/09/2006 12:41:53 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi 2006 | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0urs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: areafiftyone

rotflol


33 posted on 05/09/2006 12:42:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).

Him quoting this line from the Koran got my attention and makes me feel that Mansfield might be correct about this.

Especially when you remember the way they refer to Imran in the book just a few verses later

3.67 Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.

Couple that with this teaching from the Koran

5.51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Cristians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely hi is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people

This could very well be his "last chance" to justify his actions in his twisted mind.

34 posted on 05/09/2006 12:44:12 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"I don't think the US will be able to simultaneously to continue being engaged in Iraq, Iran and also save Israel,

He didn't mention NK or Afghan or Sudan or everywhere else. Don't worry your little rag-head, we can cover much more then you can imagine.
35 posted on 05/09/2006 12:45:28 PM PDT by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CougarGA7

Of course the Iranian President is crazy but, I do not think he is a fool. This is why I must consider the possiblity that they already have a nuclear device and are capable of delivering it.


36 posted on 05/09/2006 12:49:35 PM PDT by be4everfree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Coop

A long read but worth it, FRiend.

It looks like Iran is giving us Islam's traditional "final warning"; one last call to Islam (*submission*).

Can't help but wonder what they're fixin to do or what they THINK they can do about the warning, though.

Interesting times, indeed.


37 posted on 05/09/2006 12:51:11 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: be4everfree

My concern exactly. This is far too much chest thumping for someone who doesn't have some type of ace up his sleeve.

Lock and load people.


38 posted on 05/09/2006 12:53:52 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

It would be useful to know if Ahmadinejad has obtained a ruling from the ayatollahs that this letter constitutes sufficient warning within the meaning of the koran.

I would be surprised if he sent the letter without getting such a ruling in advance.


39 posted on 05/09/2006 12:55:05 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Hmmm.
Anything short of a nuke is an invitation to destruction.

Go ahead - kill a few hundred or a few thousand Americans. See your nation laid waste. Only the threat of nuclear reprisal would slow us.

The only issue I would have with this is that the idiots in Washington, D.C. would insist on putting Iran back together again rather leaving it as an object lesson.


40 posted on 05/09/2006 12:55:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Besides, there's all sorts of mischief they could try, short of floating a nuke into Baltimore Harbor or something.

If they have something like a suitcase nuke, they could just as easily bring it in via Mexico. The border is wide open as a matter of national policy, and I'm sure those elements of the Mexican army working with the drug lords would happily assist.

41 posted on 05/09/2006 12:57:58 PM PDT by Publius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray
The only issue I would have with this is that the idiots in Washington, D.C. would insist on putting Iran back together again rather leaving it as an object lesson.

Unless Washington itself is the target.

42 posted on 05/09/2006 12:58:54 PM PDT by Publius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: CougarGA7

"This is far too much chest thumping for someone who doesn't have some type of ace up his sleeve."

He either has a nuke, or something that can do some significant damage. No one is so stupid as to bluff like he has been, considering the consequences of getting called on it.


43 posted on 05/09/2006 12:58:57 PM PDT by No Blue States
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Perhaps an answer to your question...

"Reaction to the letter was mixed in Iran and across the Mideast.

Iranian newspapers described the message as "an initiative in global diplomacy" and "dialogue under the shadow of war."

But conservative lawmaker Hashmatollah Falahatpisheh lambasted Ahmadinejad for failing to consult parliament before sending the letter to the country Iran considers its greatest enemy.

"This message is the outcome of a series of taboo-breaking behaviors in Iran's foreign policy. ... That the parliament is not aware of (the contents of the) letter is questionable," Falahatpisheh told an open session of the parliament broadcast live on state-run radio Tuesday.

Among Gulf nations, the letter fueled suspicions toward Iran.

The Saudi-owned daily Asharq Al-Awsat called the letter proof that "Iran is not enriching uranium for peaceful purposes as it says, and is striving for leadership and control of the region."

Such Iranian leadership would mean the Israeli-Palestinian peace process "would be stalled, the Iraqi dream (of democracy) would be thwarted and we would witness a new wave of armament," wrote Tariq Alhomayed, the paper's editor-in-chief.

The Kuwaiti newspaper Arab Times ran an editorial in which editor-in-chief Ahmed Al-Jarallah accused Ahmadinejad of acting "as if he owns the region."

Some of Iran's Arab neighbors have expressed fears over Iran's nuclear program — particularly over pollution in case of an accident — as well as over the standoff with the West, fearing possible Iranian retaliation against American military bases in Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain should the U.S. launch a pre-emptive strike."

Excerpted from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060509/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us;_ylt=AtEAGs7k.dKwigmBeQ.V8nJI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--


44 posted on 05/09/2006 1:01:20 PM PDT by debg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: SirJohnBarleycorn
It would be useful to know if Ahmadinejad has obtained a ruling from the ayatollahs that this letter constitutes sufficient warning within the meaning of the koran.

I would be surprised if he sent the letter without getting such a ruling in advance.


I agree
45 posted on 05/09/2006 1:03:18 PM PDT by be4everfree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Code_One

Nah...go back to sleep...


46 posted on 05/09/2006 1:06:03 PM PDT by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Publius
If they have something like a suitcase nuke, they could just as easily bring it in via Mexico. The border is wide open as a matter of national policy, and I'm sure those elements of the Mexican army working with the drug lords would happily assist.

First off there is no such thing as a "suitcase" nuke in terms of it being that size - It is more like a "large locker" size nuke -

Additionally it is complete foolishness to suggest such an item could be walked into our border. Much more is happening along our borders regarding WMDs, dirty bombs, profiling, etc...then can openly be talked about (and for very valid reasons!).

Think NSA Op that was outed and the country is worse off because of that.

47 posted on 05/09/2006 1:09:41 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: be4everfree

Bump for a very interesting thread.

I trust that President Bush knows what he is doing, but I am personally getting very tired of waiting.

I wake up every morning and check FR hoping to see that the effort to take down the IRAN threat has begun... and every day I see nothing.

Please let's get on with this. We saw that the UN approach is too slow with Iraq and allowed him to hide everything.


48 posted on 05/09/2006 1:10:17 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: debg; SirJohnBarleycorn

Who released this letter ?

Iran or the White House ?


49 posted on 05/09/2006 1:10:19 PM PDT by be4everfree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Deo volente

I've been thinking we'll be lucky to get to the elections before that reality, myself...


50 posted on 05/09/2006 1:11:01 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-233 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson