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N.Y. Poll: Hillary May Not Carry State in 2008
NewsMax ^ | 18 May 2006

Posted on 05/17/2006 6:51:20 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton could have trouble carrying her own state if she runs for president in 2008 and Republicans nominate either former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani or Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a poll of New York voters reported Tuesday.

Lee Miringoff of Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion said the statewide poll, conducted in conjunction with New York City's WNBC-TV, is bad news for the former first lady given concerns nationally among some Democrats about her "electability."

In a theoretical matchup for the 2008 presidential race, the WNBC/Marist poll found Giuliani favored by 50 of New York voters to 46 percent for Clinton. The poll had Clinton at 48 percent and McCain at 45 percent.

"The question often centers around, can she be elected, can she carry a red state?" said the Marist pollster. "These numbers suggest that even right here in her own backyard the bluest of the blue Rudy Giuliani and Senator John McCain would give her a run for her money."

In New York, there are 5 million Democrats and 3 million Republicans, and the state has not been carried by a Republican presidential contender since Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984.

Clinton did better 58 percent to 36 percent against Gov. George Pataki, who like Giuliani is eyeing the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.

Marist's telephone poll of 735 registered voters was conducted May 1-7 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Polls have shown Clinton well ahead of her potential Republican opposition in her bid this year for a second Senate term and national surveys have her as the front-runner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

In the WNBC/Marist poll, 49 percent of New Yorkers said Clinton should run for president in 2008, but 66 percent said it was unlikely she could be elected. Fifty-one percent said Giuliani should run, but 52 percent said it was unlikely he could be elected president. Seventy-four percent of New Yorkers polled said Pataki should not run for president.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; hildebeaste; hillary2008; hitlery; hrc; johnmccain; mrsbj; newyork; rino; rudy; witchofwashington
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"..the state has not been carried by a Republican presidential contender since Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984".

Does that mean the GOP should nominate a CONSERVATIVE????

1 posted on 05/17/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

It always hurts me to se Hillary called a former First Lady. She has no idea what entails being a lady.


2 posted on 05/17/2006 6:54:55 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Aussie Dasher

Most of New York State is conservative. The problem is that most of the population is clustered in the NYC/Long Island area which is possibly the most liberal part of the country outside of San Francisco.


3 posted on 05/17/2006 6:55:03 PM PDT by frankiep (Visualize Whirled Peas)
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To: Aussie Dasher

No Senator who has not been a relected governor is going to be President in '08.


4 posted on 05/17/2006 6:56:34 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

1. How did NY buy into Hitlary being a New Yorker in the first place.
2. Not sure about Guliani but McCain will get his clock cleaned by almost anybody outside of Arizona. If he did win the nod the press would turn on him like a pit bull.
3. Now that I think of it all the other names mentioned are losers as well.

I agree, a real conservative (Newt, or that Gilchrist guy) would be worth more than McCain.


5 posted on 05/17/2006 6:58:56 PM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: Aussie Dasher
Bull!!

In 2008, Hillary will be the only Republican candidate in the race......measured by spine and scrotum!!

6 posted on 05/17/2006 6:59:15 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Uh-oh. She may want to get her fiends at ANSWER to organize another one of those Undocumented Voter Registration rallies in Nuevo El Yorko.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 6:59:33 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Hillary/lady=oxymoron.

Hillary/harpie=synonym

Hillary/president/exalted leader=fantasy

That said, polls regarding 08 are worth less than used toilet paper.

8 posted on 05/17/2006 6:59:40 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: sgtbono2002
All I can say is with Bill she was not the first or the last Lady, trollop, girl, intern, red light woman,
9 posted on 05/17/2006 7:03:22 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: al baby

Any woman who went with Bill of her own accord was no lady.


10 posted on 05/17/2006 7:05:32 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Aussie Dasher; Torie

Why anyone makes Hillary sound like a formidable general election candidate is a mystery to me. I think she's totally unelectable myself.


11 posted on 05/17/2006 7:05:48 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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To: Aussie Dasher
In a theoretical matchup for the 2008 presidential race, the WNBC/Marist poll found Giuliani favored by 50 of New York voters to 46 percent for Clinton.

So what?Giuliani is very unlikely to be the nominee in 2008.

Anyone who thinks that Hillary would not carry this sorry state with 55-60% of the vote is kidding themselves.

12 posted on 05/17/2006 7:07:56 PM PDT by carlr
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To: AntiGuv

Against Rudy certainly, and against McCain, until the Dems shread him, or he self shreads, or both.


13 posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: NotchJohnson; All

I am hoping (delusional, I know!) that she will be defeated in NY when she next runs for Senate!

A upstate joined by just some of the downstaters? Maybe? To pull it off the Republicans would have to run the most RINO candidate they could find!


14 posted on 05/17/2006 7:13:02 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"Bull!!
In 2008, Hillary will be the only Republican candidate in the race......measured by spine and scrotum!!
"

I want some of what you are smoking.
Maybe I will start talking funny too.
Only Republican eh? You mean as in Hitlery being one of the strongest supporters of abortion or her being able to refer to Republicans in the House as "running a plantation"?
15 posted on 05/17/2006 7:15:01 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Aussie Dasher
N.Y. Poll: Hillary May Not Carry State in 2008

Actually, I think the Beast could carry NY state. You need strong, thick legs to carry heavy objects...and she appears to have those.

16 posted on 05/17/2006 7:16:28 PM PDT by floozy22
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To: AntiGuv

There are things going on beyond our knowledge. Formidable? Apparently. She got to be Senator through deceit and deception, it worked. Elected by those she loves walking on. Amazing. The brain-dead American voter, who elected Clinton TWICE. Simply amazing.


17 posted on 05/17/2006 7:17:51 PM PDT by brushcop (SPL Robert Hornbeck B-Co. 2/69, 3ID You will always be remembered.)
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To: AntiGuv; NotchJohnson; Torie
Giussolini the corrupt is on record as Mayor stating that he would not allow the police to crack down on illegal aliens and that he was in favor or in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

A corrupt, pro-gay, anti-gun multiculturalist like Giussolini will NOT get the nomination.

18 posted on 05/17/2006 7:20:10 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: NotchJohnson

Giuliani would run roughshod over "the Hill" in NY.


19 posted on 05/17/2006 7:21:05 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: carlr

"Anyone who thinks that Hillary would not carry this sorry state with 55-60% of the vote is kidding themselves"

I live in NYC.
I think its you that's kidding yourself.
Ruddy already won elections to be mayor of New York City TWICE, despite RATS outnumbering Republicans 5 to 1.
And that was BEFORE 9/11.

Add in the conservative upstate New York state, and its going to be veryu hard for anyone to beat Rubby in a statewide election in this state, including a prsidemntial election.


20 posted on 05/17/2006 7:21:34 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: floozy22
"Actually, I think the Beast could carry NY state"

Nope.
Ruddy will smoke her.
21 posted on 05/17/2006 7:23:09 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: luvbach1

Why the hell doesn't he run against her for the Senate?


22 posted on 05/17/2006 7:23:27 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Jameison
You mean as in Hitlery being one of the strongest supporters of abortion or her being able to refer to Republicans in the House as "running a plantation"?

It's the way you refer to her as Hitlery!

You make my point.

Screw abortion......more liberals are murdering their own babies anyway.....murder away!!

Hitlery is mean and focused.

She goes for the jugular.

She has a backbone....

She may be evil but she is strong and getting stronger.

She does what she needs to do to win.

She will lie, cheat, steal and maybe even kill to attain her ultimate goal!

Decency is not in her vocabulary.

We need a Republican version of her.

The limp-wristed stumble-mouth we have in the White House now is no Republican.

He is Mexican...through and through!!

We always complain that the liberal Democrats give orders to the media and sometimes take orders too.

Well at least they don't take their marching orders from Vincente Fox.

And what kind of Mexican name is Fox, anyway?

I like Michael J. Fox.

23 posted on 05/17/2006 7:24:48 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Why the hell doesn't he run against her for the Senate?"

Why should he, if he wants to be President?
Since JFK in 1960, no one from the US Senate had ever been elected President.
24 posted on 05/17/2006 7:26:07 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Clemenza

Clearly he will not with your vote. I will write that down. :)


25 posted on 05/17/2006 7:27:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Aussie Dasher
Why the hell doesn't he run against her for the Senate?

Because he would prefer to run for president.

26 posted on 05/17/2006 7:27:51 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Jameison
Maybe,but is Rudy going to be the candidate?

I am not sure who would win in that match up,it is scary how many upstate votes she got last time.

My point was that it doesn`t matter as Rudy is not even giving hints of running much less getting any support from primary voters around the country.
Beyond him in state polls everyone loses here.

27 posted on 05/17/2006 7:29:05 PM PDT by carlr
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To: Jameison; luvbach1

He's never going to be President. With his views on killing babies and gay 'rights', I've got more chance of winning the nomination!

If Rudy is serious about making a strong contribution, removing Hitlery from the Senate is surely it.


28 posted on 05/17/2006 7:31:09 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Clemenza

Some anti-illegal conservatives, outside of NYC, think Rudy's law & order image means he will be a Tom Tancredo Fan Club member.

Some evangelicals think Rudy's courageous act of telling the Saudi Prince to "F" off and refusing the $10 million for 9-11 cleanup means he will protect the churches from Islamo-Fascists.

With Bush's lack of leadership on Katrina, Iraq, Dubia Ports, and Immigration Reform, GOP voters are hungry for effective leadership. Rudy is planning to use 9-11 on portray himself as the 2nd coming of Reagan.


29 posted on 05/17/2006 7:31:13 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Torie
My vote counts as much as yours. ;-)

Trust me, Ruina the OVERRATED will not get the nomination.

I can see it now, Bernard Kerick as Secretary of State, Ray Harding as Commerce Secretary, and the first male-male wedding of Mark Finkelstein and Antonio Pagan on the White House lawn!

30 posted on 05/17/2006 7:32:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Kuksool
Then they are IGNORANT JACKA-SES who get the government they deserve.

Ruina the Overrated milks the media myth of 9/11 to death. You should have seen how his arrogant closet-case communications director JP Avalon put down Christian Conservatives at the New York Young Republican meeting last week!

31 posted on 05/17/2006 7:34:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Here's a thought... distasteful as the notion is, a President Hillary would come with a most amusing sidekick -- Bill, the First Fellow, presidential spouse and all-purpose event ornament. If Sick Willie's prospective role becomes an object of ridicule, we won't have to lift a finger to stop Her Heinous.

Bill will do that himself.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 7:35:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I always fear the hildabeast. Clintons cheat.


33 posted on 05/17/2006 7:36:22 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Kuksool

Rudy is on record as being pro-illegal and pro-multiculturalist. Romney, McCain, or Allen can easily drag such things out for those who had the wool pulled over their eyes by the media regarding Rudy Rockefeller after 9/11.


34 posted on 05/17/2006 7:36:25 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Clemenza

Well the latter will provide an entertaining diversion from the depressing matters of state.


35 posted on 05/17/2006 7:36:38 PM PDT by Torie
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"Screw abortion......more liberals are murdering their own babies anyway.....murder away!!

Hitlery is mean and focused.

She goes for the jugular.

She may be evil but she is strong and getting stronger.

She does what she needs to do to win.

She will lie, cheat, steal and maybe even kill to attain her ultimate goal!
"


My point precisely.
All that may stand for something.. but murdering babies, killing to win elections etc is sure as heck not Republican.

She can win in funny places like Massachusetts (after all they keep reelecting Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy after he had gone and done a killing), but she sure as heck won't be winning in the MidWest or the South and certainly not be getting Republicans votes from these places.
I also bear in mind that her equally nasty husband , won with just 43% of the vote in 1992, and never won even close to 50% of the popular vote ever... and BJ Clinton has far more political skillsand charm than Hitlery. Hitlery has about as much charm as a rattle snake.
36 posted on 05/17/2006 7:37:57 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Torie
Amen! It will make for one HELL of a bloody and entertaining primary season. Get out the popcorn folks!

BTW: Have you seen the renovated Oriental Institute at U of C? I was there two weeks ago, and came away impressed.

37 posted on 05/17/2006 7:38:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Kuksool
With Bush's lack of leadership on Katrina, Iraq, Dubia Ports, and Immigration Reform, GOP voters are hungry for effective leadership. Rudy is planning to use 9-11 on portray himself as the 2nd coming of Reagan.

I'm ready for Rudy!

He's the guy who in 1995 threw out Yassir Arafat and his entourage from Lincoln Center..

It's deeds I'm looking for.

It's leadership that this nation has been sorely lacking for nearly 20 years.

The last three presidents have been accidents.......

When the entire barrel of apples is rotten, the one you choose surely smells too!

38 posted on 05/17/2006 7:38:51 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: Clemenza

I have not been to Chicagoland in some time, but I will visit next time I am.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 7:42:43 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Aussie Dasher

Agree fully with your post #28.


40 posted on 05/17/2006 7:43:35 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: AntiGuv

I think she's totally unelectable myself.

I agree. Whatever she and her party may envision, she and her so-called husband both look o-l-d, tired and very worn. ANY young vigorous candidate who can string together some words and who will lock down the border would clean her/their clocks.


41 posted on 05/17/2006 7:43:52 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I LOVE Giuliani. Seriously, I love the man. I'm pro-life, Guiliani understands that activist judges have no place in a democracy.
If McCain gets the nomination, I WILL vote third party.


42 posted on 05/17/2006 7:44:27 PM PDT by reaganandme
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To: Jameison

LOL. Humor is the only way I can deal with the absolute terror I feel in my bones at the thought that she could even make a run at the White House.


43 posted on 05/17/2006 7:44:33 PM PDT by floozy22
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To: Aussie Dasher
"He's never going to be President. With his views on killing babies and gay 'rights', I've got more chance of winning the nomination!"

Why don't we all calm down and wait for the Primaries.
From what I am reading of the tea leaves, Ruddy will probably to run.
At which time you can exercise your democratic right to vote for or against him. :)

"If Rudy is serious about making a strong contribution, removing Hitlery from the Senate is surely it."

Again, if Ruddy wants to be President (I think he does), why on earth would he go stand for the US Senate and ruin his chances?

No one has been elected from the US Senate as president for over 44 years, and neither will Hitlery.
44 posted on 05/17/2006 7:51:41 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Interesting Times

If Sick Willie's prospective role becomes an object of ridicule, we won't have to lift a finger to stop Her Heinous.

Then again, Her Heinous may arrange for Billy to have a convenient heart attack and croak, leaving her as the first 'grieving' widow to run for the presidency.


45 posted on 05/17/2006 7:52:16 PM PDT by hardworking (Me? I just work to earn a living, pay taxes, educate my kids...so what could I possiblty know?)
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To: Torie
The Assyrian collection, excavated over 100 years around Basra and Baghdad, is the best in the hemisphere, if not the work. The ancient Hebrew collection from Megiddo is also unequalled IMHO.

BTW: The Tiki Room is gone, replaced by a new Checkerboard Lounge.

46 posted on 05/17/2006 7:53:11 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Clemenza

Where was the Tiki Room? I don't remember that one.


47 posted on 05/17/2006 7:56:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Aussie Dasher


If only this story were believable...


48 posted on 05/17/2006 8:00:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Torie
The Tiki was near 53rd Street, close to the Metra Station. It was a combination Chinese Restaurant/Jazz Club.

Jimmy's Woodlawn Tap is still there, although Jimmy Wilson himself passed on about six years ago.

49 posted on 05/17/2006 8:06:02 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists and Socialists Will be Shot on Site)
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To: Aussie Dasher

If the DemocRATS don't win New York, I doubt they could win the election.


50 posted on 05/17/2006 8:08:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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