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Creationist lecturer posits Adam, Eve and dinosaurs (Kent Hovind alert)
Morgan County Citizen ^ | May 16, 2006 | BROOKE HATFIELD

Posted on 05/18/2006 11:15:07 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

One of the nation’s most popular and controversial proponents of creation science is coming to Morgan County.

Dr. Kent Hovind, a former high school science teacher and the founder of Creation Science Evangelism ministries, will address creationism’s religious and scientific origins. Hovind’s seminar is sponsored by the Morgan County Baptist Association, and Shiloh Baptist Church Youth Pastor Paul Miller said evolution’s origins are based on Satan, not science.

"The very beginning of the Bible says in the beginning God created," said Paul Miller, youth pastor at Shiloh Baptist Church. "Throughout history, the devil has had a well-thought-out strategy to attack the word of God. Through what I call modern and postmodern times, the devil has orchestrated this thing such that people think we evolved."

Hovind posits that evolution has been consistently disproven by science, a claim he’s willing to put money on. He has pledged $250,000 to anyone who can provide empirical evidence of evolution. Hovind said only three people have taken him up on his offer, and none walked away with the money.

Hovind’s description of evolution is as follows: time, space and matter came into existence independent of God. Planets and stars formed. Early life forms reproduced, and major changes occurred between these life forms. According to Hovind, many of evolution’s supporters don’t understand the theory.

"They think any kind of change at all is evolution," Hovind said. "They’ll point out that dogs and wolves have a common ancestor, and I would agree. That’s called microevolution, and there is no argument about that. Now does that mean that dogs and bananas have a common ancestor?"

Hovind, who calls himself Dr. Dino, also believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans once coexisted.

Hovind said reptiles known as dinosaurs were actually called dragons by early man, and most of these creatures were hunted and killed. Some, like the Loch Ness Monster, remain, he said.

Bringing Hovind to Morgan County was a matter of faith for Miller.

"God just laid it on my heart to expose the lies of evolution," Miller said. "We both sense apathy among God’s people regarding God’s word, especially creation. We need to stand on the word of God."

Although Hovind’s seminar will touch on evolution’s alleged scientific failings, Miller said he ultimately hoped the lectures would touch attendees’ minds and hearts.

"The goal would be that through the discovery of God’s creation, folks would come to know the Lord Jesus Christ," Miller said. "We don’t want to hide the fact that that’s our goal."

Hovind’s seminars will be held Friday, May 12 and Saturday, May 13 at 6:30 p.m. in the Morgan County High School auditorium. Admission is free. He will also speak during Shiloh Baptist Church’s 8 a.m. and 11 a.m. services on Sunday. He will also answer questions in the church’s sanctuary at 9:45 a.m.

For more information on Hovind and Creation Science Evangelism ministries, go to www.drdino.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: add; creationist; crevolist; fauxcreationist; kenthovind; pavlovian
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To: UCANSEE2

Does this mean, then, that human emotion is merely chemical reactions?


51 posted on 05/18/2006 2:49:40 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: bruin66

Oh yeah, carbon dating is so accurate. That's why when you send a sample in they ask you how old you think it is before they'll analyze it. People have given them bones from the same animal and gotten back answers that varied by thousands of years - a foot was dated 12,000-14,000 years old, but the head from the same animal was only 6-8,000 years. Why? Because they ask on the submittal forms how old the finder thinks they are. Submitter fills in what they think, and lo and behold, they come back dated around the same ages that the submitter entered.

Hmmm, that's not science to me. It's a con game. And pure bullsh#t. NO WAY should two bones from the same animal test thousands of years apart. It's either widescale fraud, complete and regular ineptitude, or the dating method has flaws.


52 posted on 05/18/2006 2:50:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: js1138

Both? So they died out in a massive extinction, and still had time to evolve into birds?


53 posted on 05/18/2006 2:52:19 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"Dragons" are likely dinosaurs, since the word dinosaur wasn't invented until the 19th century.

Dragons? Phooey!


54 posted on 05/18/2006 2:52:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

None that I'M taking!


55 posted on 05/18/2006 2:52:45 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

So if this guy is right, I guess that means that The Flintstones qualifies as a historical documentary?


56 posted on 05/18/2006 2:54:09 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Both? So they died out in a massive extinction, and still had time to evolve into birds?

Yes. Are you curious how?

57 posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:31 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

I hate to toot my own horn again, but if I were a frevolutionist, I would be grinding you into the dirt and suggestiong you work on your reading comprehension...

Hovind can be going along at a nice clip and presenting everything okay, and then veer 90 degrees off-course. He's a bit erratic, to say nothing of his A.D.D. which he all but admitted in his latest DVD production.

Just like all scientific circles, creationism has its kooks. (Go ahead with the cheap shots; "they're all kooks", I know you want to.)

Also, people keep trying to tell me that evolution has nothing to do with politics or anything else. Why then do you worry about having creationists associated with the conservative cause? To say nothing of PatrickHenry's stipulation that his list is conservative...


58 posted on 05/18/2006 2:56:24 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Rocketman
So then the dremel man says "Ah it is fake."

You're seeking to overturn all of modern science with evidence bought for centimos at a tourist trap in Peru.

59 posted on 05/18/2006 2:57:09 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

LOL!


60 posted on 05/18/2006 2:58:23 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

If evolutionists are right, does Planet of the Apes count as one?


61 posted on 05/18/2006 2:59:14 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

You brought this up. Are you curious how dinosaurs had time to evolve into birds and still die in a mass extinction?


62 posted on 05/18/2006 2:59:40 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
He has pledged $250,000 to anyone who can provide empirical evidence of evolution. Hovind said only three people have taken him up on his offer, and none walked away with the money.

What a joke. I'll offer $500K to anyone who can prove God created the universe.
63 posted on 05/18/2006 3:05:34 PM PDT by BJClinton (Forget the fence, annex Mexico.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Oh yeah, carbon dating is so accurate. That's why when you send a sample in they ask you how old you think it is before they'll analyze it. People have given them bones from the same animal and gotten back answers that varied by thousands of years - a foot was dated 12,000-14,000 years old, but the head from the same animal was only 6-8,000 years. Why? Because they ask on the submittal forms how old the finder thinks they are. Submitter fills in what they think, and lo and behold, they come back dated around the same ages that the submitter entered.

Hmmm, that's not science to me. It's a con game. And pure bullsh#t. NO WAY should two bones from the same animal test thousands of years apart. It's either widescale fraud, complete and regular ineptitude, or the dating method has flaws.

Son, have you ever done a radiocarbon date? Have you ever submitted a sample, so that you know this for a fact that "they ask you how old you think it is before they'll analyze it"?

There is an "Estimated age" on the standard submission form, but you know, I don't use the form. I send my samples in with my own cover letter, and it doesn't have "Estimated age" on it. And never once, out of hundreds of samples, has anyone asked for an age, or refused to do a date.

I think you are getting all of your scientific information from creationist websites. This business of bones coming back different ages sounds just like what they usually make a big noise about. But if you go to the actual literature, they usually misread or misinterpreted the data, or just plain misrepresented it.

When you actually learn something about radiocarbon dating, perhaps we can have a meaningful discussion.

In the meantime, here are some pretty good links:

ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

The American Scientific Affiliation: Science in Christian Perspective Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.


64 posted on 05/18/2006 3:12:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I hate to toot my own horn again, but if I were a frevolutionist, I would be grinding you into the dirt and suggestiong you work on your reading comprehension...

I'll think twice about correcting myself or apologizing to you again.

Asshole.

65 posted on 05/18/2006 3:12:59 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Dr Dino?


66 posted on 05/18/2006 3:16:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
A microbe, probably a yeast.

The common ancestor to animals and chlorophyll containing plants was probably a fungi.

To clone one of the human cell cycle genes (CDC), scientists took a yeast that had the corresponding yeast gene as a temperature sensitive gene. They cloned the human gene into the yeast.
The temperature sensitive gene works as follows: when the yeast was grown at a higher temp, the protein wouldn't work and the only yeasts that would grow would be the ones containing the human homolog.
This shows that the organisms (modern yeast and humans) have a common ancestor and that the function of the CDC genes were conserved so much during evolution, that the human gene could take the place of the yeast gene.
Other proteins called histones that cover DNA and help it condense into chromosomes are highly conserved throughout all organisms containing a nucleus. The changes in the DNA and protein sequences can be ordered into an evolutionary tree.
67 posted on 05/18/2006 3:29:43 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: js1138

Dude, don't take it the wrong way. I'm just sayin', I'm fine to let it go. Frevos (I have in mind one in particular) would snap "you imp, you pathetic wriggling worm, you can't even pass muster for the 8th grade reading comprehension. Go back and try again, you limp, repugnant loser, you're so ugly your own reflection recoils in the mirror, you can't even blank blank up your own blank" and so forth. A lot of fluff and bluster. I appreciate your sincere effort to apologize for having misread my statements; it's not something I see often. I'm just underscoring a double standard that exists.


68 posted on 05/18/2006 3:35:14 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Kent Hovind... smart man, buys into too many conspiracy theories.

He sites these 2 films:
911: In Plain Site
Loose Change

Anyone want to weigh in?

69 posted on 05/18/2006 3:38:52 PM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: Coyoteman; Secret Agent Man
Let's be fair and link to AiG's Radiocarbon dating FAQ's page too.
70 posted on 05/18/2006 3:39:24 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

So are you curious how dinosaurs had time to evolve into birds and still die in a mass extinction?


71 posted on 05/18/2006 3:39:35 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: .cnI redruM
That all depends on who a person calls God. The relevant scriptural passages to be considered in this discussion. Let us never ignore the Word of God as we ponder these things.

Creation will revert back to it's pre-fall condition, which you will notice nullifies Theistic Evolution.

Isa 11:6-9
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Look again at scripture and tell me if things are the way God originally created things.

Gen 3:17-18
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Rom 8:21-22
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The clincher:

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (red letters indicate words spoken by the Christ in Christian)

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Acts 17:26 From one man he created all the nations throughout the whole earth. He decided beforehand which should rise and fall, and he determined their boundaries.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Cr 15:54-55
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

Isa 40:21-22
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Deu 4:32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth,

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

New Testament references to Adam.

Luk 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


72 posted on 05/18/2006 3:42:53 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: DaveLoneRanger

There's still 16 minutes of his radio show left for anyone interested.


73 posted on 05/18/2006 3:43:26 PM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: js1138

Don't take this the wrong way and launch into another barrage of profanity, but I'm not sure I'll take what you say as 100% credible. Your framework and mine differ severely. However, for the sake of finding out from you what the evolutionary belief on this subject is (since finding out the actual story would be a cinch, given the vastness of availability online), I'll listen. Do try not to make it too long, as my time is limited.


74 posted on 05/18/2006 3:44:45 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
...creatures that look amazingly like the fossils their descendents would unearth centuries later! ...

Who's to say they weren't finding fossils a long time ago? After all, the ancient Greeks and Romans were aware of them.

What would you have done, if you were a preliterate hunter-gatherer who found a stegosaur skeleton half exposed on an eroding cliff?

75 posted on 05/18/2006 3:49:23 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: DaveLoneRanger

You'd probably manage better if you removed that chip from your shoulder.


76 posted on 05/18/2006 3:49:28 PM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Birds have around for 150 million years or so, Dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago.


77 posted on 05/18/2006 3:52:00 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

If you're going to debate evolution, you ought to know what it says. If you don't know the proposed common ancestor of dogs (Animalia) and bananas (Plantae) was a unicellular eukaryote, how can you address this topic intelligently?


78 posted on 05/18/2006 3:52:33 PM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Let's be fair and link to AiG's Radiocarbon dating FAQ's page too.

I don't link to that page for a reason. Although they start off well, they quickly go off the deep end:

Also, the Genesis flood would have greatly upset the carbon balance. The flood buried a huge amount of carbon, which became coal, oil, etc., lowering the total 12C in the biosphere (including the atmosphere—plants regrowing after the flood absorb CO2, which is not replaced by the decay of the buried vegetation). Total 14C is also proportionately lowered at this time, but whereas no terrestrial process generates any more 12C, 14C is continually being produced, and at a rate which does not depend on carbon levels (it comes from nitrogen). Therefore, the 14C/12C ratio in plants/animals/the atmosphere before the flood had to be lower than what it is now.

Unless this effect (which is additional to the magnetic field issue just discussed) were corrected for, carbon dating of fossils formed in the flood would give ages much older than the true ages.

Creationist researchers have suggested that dates of 35,000 - 45,000 years should be re-calibrated to the biblical date of the flood.6 Such a re-calibration makes sense of anomalous data from carbon dating—for example, very discordant ‘dates’ for different parts of a frozen musk ox carcass from Alaska and an inordinately slow rate of accumulation of ground sloth dung pellets in the older layers of a cave where the layers were carbon dated.


79 posted on 05/18/2006 3:55:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Coyoteman

You're dismissing their views simply because you do not agree with the idea of a worldwide flood?


80 posted on 05/18/2006 3:56:09 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Virginia-American

You can, if you like. Did they unearth the fossils back then? Is there any documentation to that effect?

As for a half-exposed skeleton...sure looked like a complete drawing to me.


81 posted on 05/18/2006 3:57:32 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Coyoteman

Also, if the goal is to say what young-earthers believe, then what you feel about how right or wrong they are shouldn't matter.


82 posted on 05/18/2006 3:59:01 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: .cnI redruM
What an idiot! This guy is buying the left's propaganda that you have to reject evolution to believe in God.

You don't have to believe in God to understand that macro-evolution is a lie.

83 posted on 05/18/2006 3:59:42 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Paradox
It is a shame that the IDers have made this an Atheist vs Believers kind of thing, I think that was very dishonest of them.

Actually, it is the evolutionists who claim that ID is a religious argument. The IDers simply maintain that irrespective of ones religious view, evolution is not a scientifically supportable argument.

84 posted on 05/18/2006 4:02:39 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: DaveLoneRanger
You're dismissing their views simply because you do not agree with the idea of a worldwide flood?

When you have to contort accepted science, across dozens of separate fields, when you have to twist and manufacture evidence of a global flood--when there is no such evidence--in order to conform science to religious beliefs, yes, I'll dismiss their views.

Many of these outfits are so untrustworthy when it comes to accurately portraying science that I would seek to verify their claim that the sun rises in the east.

85 posted on 05/18/2006 4:03:38 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Coyoteman
You're dismissing their views simply because you do not agree with the idea of a worldwide flood?

It's not "do not agree with the idea of", it's "have a huge amount of data disproving"

In science there really are right and wrong answers. Have you ever studied the history of geology? Do you know why those pre-Darwin geologists, all of them "creationists", had rejected the flood hypothesis by the early 1800s?

Can you account for the sedimentary layering and the sequence of fossils in any way other than a very old Earth? In detail?

Can you account for the fact that oil companies use standard, not flood, geology?

86 posted on 05/18/2006 4:14:53 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: connectthedots

One advantage of believing in the possibility of soft rather than hard determinism is that God doesn't always have to dictate to you in order to be the greatest of all. Give that some thought and perhaps you'll see why I can easily buy both evolution and the first few books of the bible.


87 posted on 05/18/2006 4:55:09 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: bondserv

And in response to that I would say that the bible often speaks allegorically, it makes teaching points by doing this. Thus, you don't have to believe Jonah got munched by a big fish to derive salvation from the word.


88 posted on 05/18/2006 4:57:06 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: .cnI redruM
I don't really take a stand on a young v. old Earth argument; and I don't, for a variety of reasons, am not convinced that Genesis requires a young Earth. I am very convinced that macro-evolution is untenable even if one were to assume an old Earth.

I would like to know how the evolutionist can account for the existence of the soul of man. No other creature has a soul, or an ingrained sense of right and wrong.
89 posted on 05/18/2006 5:03:59 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: js1138

90 posted on 05/18/2006 5:06:04 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"Hovind, who calls himself Dr. Dino, also believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans once coexisted."

That humans and dinosaurs existed together has good evidence, however, nowhere in the Bible does it state that the Earth is only 6000 years old or anything like it.

In fact, the Bible contains pretty strong evidence that a creation containing man existed and was annihilated before Adam was ever created.

I wish these young Earth creationists would read their Bibles instead of making such questionable assertions as a young (6000 year-old) Earth.

91 posted on 05/18/2006 5:17:17 PM PDT by nightdriver
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CrevoSci Archive

92 posted on 05/18/2006 6:06:23 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: .cnI redruM
And in response to that I would say that the bible often speaks allegorically, it makes teaching points by doing this. Thus, you don't have to believe Jonah got munched by a big fish to derive salvation from the word.

This is why I posted such an array of scripture to circumvent the much used expression, "that's your interpretation".

Explaining away such an abundance of scriptural support for the need to take the Genesis creation account straigntforwardly, forces a person to decide for themselves what their real source of truth is.

As history has repeatedly demonstrated when someone - including the church regarding Galileo - departs from the Word of God and chooses to replace their beliefs with the ideas of men, they end up being wrong.

93 posted on 05/18/2006 6:19:41 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: Junior

Good job


94 posted on 05/18/2006 6:22:13 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

Gracias.


95 posted on 05/18/2006 6:27:43 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: bondserv
As history has repeatedly demonstrated when someone - including the church regarding Galileo - departs from the Word of God and chooses to replace their beliefs with the ideas of men, they end up being wrong.

As you have done with evolution.

96 posted on 05/18/2006 6:31:31 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Check this out FOSSIL HUNTERS OF ANCIENT ROME By Adrienne Mayor

As for a half-exposed skeleton...sure looked like a complete drawing to me.

I don't know what you'd do, but if I saw half a skeleton exposed, I'd dig the rest of it out.

BTW, that picture shows an unknown dinosaur: head of a triceratops, back like a stegosaur. Forgery, anyone?

97 posted on 05/18/2006 6:35:35 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: connectthedots
You don't have to believe in God to understand that macro-evolution is a lie.

Any examples of this phenomenon?

98 posted on 05/18/2006 6:41:08 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
BTW, that picture shows an unknown dinosaur: head of a triceratops, back like a stegosaur. Forgery, anyone?

As I said, you can buy pre-Columbian ceramics by the pound.

99 posted on 05/18/2006 6:52:43 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
As you have done with evolution.

Darwinian Evolution is in direct contradiction to the Word of God. God is powerful enough to enable Lions to get their nutrition by eating straw.

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Speaking of Christ in the desert showing His command over the the curse of vicious survival on wild animals:

Mar 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

Rom 8:21-22
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

If you choose to believe reality excludes that possibility, don't expect to swallow concepts regarding heavenly things.

Jhn 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?

It's better to not underestimate God's power.

100 posted on 05/18/2006 6:58:49 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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