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Social Security for illegals OK'd
WORLDNETDAILY ^ | May 18, 2006 | unknown

Posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Social Security for illegals OK'd

Senate blocks effort to limit benefits for those who become legal residents


Posted: May 18, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The U.S. Senate today rejected an effort to limit Social Security benefits for illegal aliens who become permanent residents under an immigration reform bill being debated.

As it stands, the bill the Senate is considering would give millions of illegals a path to U.S. citizenship if they pay fines, back taxes and meet other requirements.

The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.

"Social Security was not intended for people who entered our country illegally," Ensign is quoted as saying.

Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Reuters reported that later today senators will consider an amendment to the bill by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., to make English the national language.

As WorldNetDaily reported, yesterday the Senate approved an amendment to the immigration reform bill that would direct the building of a triple-layer fence along 370 miles of the southern border with Mexico.

The Bush administration today indicated the president supported the fence proposal.

"[Bush] doesn't think you fence off the entire border but there are places ... where fences are appropriate, and then, you build fences there," spokesman Tony Snow said.


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To: umgud

We're talking about millions of numbers the IRS says they cannot match up to an eligible worker.


101 posted on 05/18/2006 5:07:27 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ovrtaxt

Can you recall your senator? We just recalled our city council, why not McShame?


102 posted on 05/18/2006 5:08:21 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BenLurkin
A: Denying wrongdoers the fruits of their criminality is eminently "fair".

As if the crime of sneaking across the border or allowing a visa to expire suddenly makes EVERY SINGLE act on American soil "a crime".....

This is really getting pathetic!

I think people's bitterness on the issue of illegal immigrants is truly causing all logic to fall into a black hole of hate.

If people worked here for 20 years, GIVE THEM freakin Social Security....they worked and contributed to society just like anyone else, and perhaps more so than many natural born Americans.

In any case they'll just end up on welfare, otherwise. So what?

103 posted on 05/18/2006 5:08:41 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: XenaLee

This is what happens when you have a very weak/corrupt second party.... the rotten apples end up spoiling the whole barrel.


104 posted on 05/18/2006 5:11:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: XenaLee

Smart and he's handsome, too.


105 posted on 05/18/2006 5:13:10 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Doogle

I'm sticking with Kyl -- the alternative is not good. Our congressional represenative, Trent Franks is 'pretty good' though I wish he voted more with JD than some others.


106 posted on 05/18/2006 5:14:57 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: xrp

I watch Internation Home Hunter on HGTV and property isn't cheap in either location, but oh those views...


107 posted on 05/18/2006 5:16:35 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Jorge
I disagree. Were it not for their illegal presence they would not have been working in this country.

Denying them social security is a fitting penalty -- let their ill-gotten monies go to Americans who worked lawfully.
108 posted on 05/18/2006 5:16:39 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: traumer

Good point.


109 posted on 05/18/2006 5:17:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Kellis91789

Oops !

I forgot the illegal worker probably didn't have any income tax withheld because his wages were too low to owe anything. But when the IRS adds their wages onto yours, you'll owe income taxes at YOUR HIGHEST MARGINAL RATE. Doubtful the refunded overpayment of FICA taxes will offset the additional income taxes the IRS wants you to cough up.

Darn. Another great illegal scheme bites the dust.


110 posted on 05/18/2006 5:22:51 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: BenLurkin
Q: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

A: Denying wrongdoers the fruits of their criminality is eminently "fair".

Would a bank robber sitting in jail who hid the money and it was never recovered be allowed to freely keep it once out?

111 posted on 05/18/2006 5:26:39 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: ovrtaxt

Come on we all know where this is headed, right? Step one is to get an amnesty act passed then step two will be to offer the illegals every possible welfare program we have. The Dems will lead this charge so that when they can vote, they will vote Dem to keep getting their goodies.

Any Repulican that looks at this issue as just one issue and can't see how it tears at WOT, WOD, Taxes, Governament Size it simply not acknowledging reality. Wake up Republicans, if this goes through as is, many of our core beliefs (not just immigration) are in serious danger.

Sigh...


112 posted on 05/18/2006 5:31:41 PM PDT by Garry Boldwater
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
I think the elephant in the china shop is the "anchor baby problem". Not a word about our guest workers fathering new citizens.

See post 60- warning- duct tape your head to prevent exploding head components.

113 posted on 05/18/2006 5:34:11 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: XenaLee

He had 4 co-sponsors too, to be fair.


114 posted on 05/18/2006 5:35:17 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: Gorobei

I love most of the phony balogny Replublicans that said in the past, well I don't like the symbolism of a wall on our borders. SYMBOLISM?!?!?! What about the symbolism of a declining health care, education, criminal justice and welfare system under the weight of 12M more people that are mostly uneducated in low wage jobs. But I digress... But now that the Senate has voted for a wall well OK, as long as it is only 370 miles not 2000 miles. Wait, let me get this straight the "symbolism" of a 370 mile wall is OK, now.... I hate to say it, but some of these Republicans seems not really that different from Dems.


115 posted on 05/18/2006 5:36:21 PM PDT by Garry Boldwater
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To: BenLurkin
I disagree. Were it not for their illegal presence they would not have been working in this country. Denying them social security is a fitting penalty -- let their ill-gotten monies go to Americans who worked lawfully.

This is morally warped.

These people worked for and earned their money just like any legal citizen has.

The idea that we should declare EVERY SINGLE act in this country illegal because a person sneaked across the border is nothing more than spite.

I find this kind of vengengeful position perhaps more reprehensible than the simple act of sneaking across any border could ever be.

116 posted on 05/18/2006 5:37:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Arizona Carolyn
We're talking about millions of numbers the IRS says they cannot match up to an eligible worker.

The IRS, SS Admin and ICE don't talk to each other. Add to this a lack of will to enforce law, then nothing happens. Ideally, this is a great way to screen employees and catch illegals and ID thiefs.

117 posted on 05/18/2006 5:38:21 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: Hostage

I think I'd rather own the coffee farm!

Not a bad gig, if you have a paramilitary security detail. I'll bet I could scrape together some Freepers...hmmmmm


118 posted on 05/18/2006 5:40:01 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: umgud

Just one more thing the Clinton Admin gutted -- this case from the 1986 law.


119 posted on 05/18/2006 5:42:34 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Shermy; Publius6961; Lurker; Vaquero; FerdieMurphy

Hey, check this thread out- especially post 60.


120 posted on 05/18/2006 5:43:56 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt
Widows will receive SS widows benefits and SS for their children up to 18 (and maybe college as well). Widow doesn't have to have worked one day to collect these benefits, and it doesn't matter how young she is.

No wonder they want to come here..uggghh.

sw

121 posted on 05/18/2006 5:47:43 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife) ("Attrition through Enforcement")
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To: Jorge
Just to be clear:

They never had any right to this money. They knew all along that they would not receive it.

Furthermore they would never have "paid into" social security had they not been here illegally.

You are entitled to your own opinion but frankly it is impossible to make a rational argument that there is anything "reprehensible" in preventing these criminals from benefiting from the criminal act of entering illegally.
122 posted on 05/18/2006 5:51:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Shermy; Publius6961; Lurker; Vaquero; FerdieMurphy
Here's a link to back it up:
123 posted on 05/18/2006 5:58:44 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: BenLurkin

Don't waste your time. This troll is a hack, and at this point, most people are too cynical to listen to someone try to justify criminal activity.


124 posted on 05/18/2006 6:00:32 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt
Heck, let's just give them a $10,000 a year check for life and be done with it!

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

125 posted on 05/18/2006 6:02:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Sure. How 'bout a Rolex? A pension plan? First time homebuyer 0% interest rates? What the heck!


126 posted on 05/18/2006 6:10:20 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: Doogle; Jim Robinson
So what was all the hoopla on this board a few years ago when these questions were raised, but GW didn't want to do anything about the border crossings? I mean the chickens have come home to roost ANYWAY. Meanwhile, a lot of posters were banned and we lost a lot of conservative voices. Including me, to a point. What a waste of time! And Conservative energy!
And yes, this is a criticism of my much beloved FreeRepublic.com. What's next, then- a Democrat President in 08? I should have spoken sooner. Not that anyone would have listened. It may be too late now.
127 posted on 05/18/2006 6:10:53 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: BenLurkin
Right. I guess in your eyes it is right to take a woman who's been struggling to support her kids as a housekeeper...... uproot her and send her back to some God-forsaken country where she has no hope, will have to live a destitute life...and that is a just solution for her having sneaked across the border 15 years ago?

These are the warped moral priorities we see posted by many of the so-called "anti-illegal" posters here.

128 posted on 05/18/2006 6:11:13 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: BenLurkin
Can Republicans in the Senate do more to see to it that Democrats get power?

This kind of BS is exactly what will keep the people home rather than voting.

This is traitorous, frustrating and infuriating.

IMO, we are going to have to take names, keep our will to remove them fresh for a couple of years then get rid of them in the primaries for other Republicans who we should pick now, not that are chosen for us.

Are we going to forget or make them pay with a loss of their job and giving it to other Republicans that are more conservative?

IMO, retire them in the next primaries.
129 posted on 05/18/2006 6:16:28 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Don't waste your time. This troll is a hack, and at this point, most people are too cynical to listen to someone try to justify criminal activity.

So all you can do is label those who disagree with you as "trolls and hacks"?

This, along with your total lack of ability to mount a coherant response shows just how pathetically weak your position really is.

I knew the arguments in these threads were weak, but it amazes me just how unwilling ya'll are to fight back against those of us willing to confront you on this issue.

130 posted on 05/18/2006 6:31:01 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: A CA Guy
IMO, we are going to have to take names, keep our will to remove them fresh for a couple of years then get rid of them in the primaries for other Republicans who we should pick now, not that are chosen for us.

See post 38 for the list.

Martinez is particularly grating, since the WH backed him over McCollum, a solid conservative, in the primary.

Now, they're doing the same thing to Harris, except this time, there's no strong RINO running against her. Now, she's just wounded by the Bush backstab- Jeb and George both, and unlikely to win.

Frustrating.

131 posted on 05/18/2006 6:59:23 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt
My problem with this is the Republicans are taking about the only path they could to frustrate their base to the point that they stay home and let Hillary become President.

Why is the Republican party so constatly stuck on stupid the last few years, anyone have a clue about this?

I want good conservatives in. I want the guys who did the contract with America. Seems these Republicans act more like they have a CONTRACT ON AMERICA.

As you say, it gets very frustrating, especially if you were born a logical person.

132 posted on 05/18/2006 7:08:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Why is the Republican party so constatly stuck on stupid the last few years, anyone have a clue about this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1509680/posts

133 posted on 05/18/2006 8:14:49 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: raybbr
If you have ten Juan Gonzalez's that have been using the same name and SS# how do you determine who gets the money or do they all get it?

First to file wins!

134 posted on 05/18/2006 8:27:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: XenaLee
You need to contact the SS Admin. re: what you have paid in and what they have on record that you'll receive. They'll mail you a report/summary. Keep a close eye on what shows up on it. If you see any discrepancy re: past employers, I would report it immediately.

Excelent recomendation. Both my wife and I get a copy mailed to us each quarter. I watch it like my credit report. If an employer ever shows up on the report that I have not worked for I will immediately begin straightening it out. If there are SS contributions then there are income taxes to go along with them - not to mention possible identity theft that includes credit cards, etc.

135 posted on 05/18/2006 9:06:52 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: Kellis91789
If there were ten illegals using your SS# and employers were withholding a couple thousand bucks from each one, you could get a twenty thousand dollar tax refund that year !

If they put down 10 dependents on their W-4 you get nothing because nothing gets withheld. Then the IRS comes after you for back taxes when they see you only have a couple of dependents.

136 posted on 05/18/2006 9:16:30 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

It's absurd. Knowing that the SS system is in deep trouble already, why would anyone deliberately sabotage it by adding millions of illegals that won't contribute to it at all, or very little. And also knowing that the majority of Americans would be totally against this, since their ssn benefits will be stretched even further under an already strained system.

Something is extremely fishy here. Uh oh. I sense another conspiracy freakout coming on. Tri-lats, Illuminati, Globalists & Bildenburgs....damn you all to hell!


"He already has.

In June 2004, Bush's appointed SSA commissioner signed the Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that gives, not only the Mexican illegal alien access to our SS benefits, but also allows him to apply for, and receive benefits for his Mexican wife and children, even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.

He's just waiting until he gets his amnesty program signed into law, then he's going to spring this one on us. Mark my words. The pieces are in place, he's just waiting to spring the trap."


137 posted on 05/18/2006 9:42:39 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: navyguy

You know the socialist DemRats are never going to give up that much of YOUR MONEY! Come on. Get real. They'll slime their way back into power, raise taxes, raise ssn, raise everything ELSE that we have to pay for, and they'll finally be happy. They're already taken over the media, unions and the public school system. They've infiltrated every single branch of government there IS, including city government office positions, and including the Republican Party. Let's face it....the Rep Party is our last and ONLY hope. If they betray us, we're screwed. If that happens, it might be time for another tea party.


"There is one GOOD hing about this... Maybe, when America is fully aware of the ramifications of this incredibly damaging decision, they will get on board with PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY. I would much prefer the gummint let me keep my money and invest it my way. I'd be a millionaire 3 times over by the time I retired."



138 posted on 05/18/2006 9:48:15 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yeah...I think I'm in love! I've been following his career for years now. I even emailed him and asked that he consider running for Pres in '08. Hell, I'd pack up and move to Nevada or DC to work for him for free! (whew!) (is it getting hot in here?)


139 posted on 05/18/2006 9:52:27 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Garry Boldwater

Uh....Garry Boldwater?

Anyhoo....what else can we do but deluge the WH and our reps with our emails & letters, faxes, etc.? How about an organized protest in every city (like the hispanics just did, only better)? Maybe it's time we get out of our comfy chairs, turn off our pc's and take it to the streets like the DemRats always do.



"Any Repulican that looks at this issue as just one issue and can't see how it tears at WOT, WOD, Taxes, Governament Size it simply not acknowledging reality. Wake up Republicans, if this goes through as is, many of our core beliefs (not just immigration) are in serious danger."


140 posted on 05/18/2006 9:57:44 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: L_Von_Mises

If you didn't file those W-4s on YOUR tax return, the IRS can't come after you. They'd have to investigate the employers who filed the W-4s. Then they'd find out who the W-4s really belonged to. This whole thing is going to cost the IRS millions to straighten out. Maybe we won't have to get rid of the IRS after all. Maybe this illegal immigrant cluster'f' mess will cause the IRS to self-destruct all on its' own.


141 posted on 05/18/2006 10:04:15 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: ovrtaxt

That is why there will be the death of the SS system.

People never having paid anything in are already here getting benefits.


142 posted on 05/18/2006 10:10:42 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: XenaLee
Something is extremely fishy here. Uh oh. I sense another conspiracy freakout coming on. Tri-lats, Illuminati, Globalists & Bildenburgs....damn you all to hell!

Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. ;)

143 posted on 05/19/2006 12:48:17 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: ovrtaxt
Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Senator Swimmer, how in all fairness can you put illegal invaders ahead of American citizens?

144 posted on 05/19/2006 12:57:01 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: Dec31,1999
It may be too late now

..never give up

145 posted on 05/19/2006 5:32:18 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: L_Von_Mises

FICA taxes are withheld no matter how many dependents they list on their W4.

It was overpayment of FICA taxes, not income taxes, that was the point of my scheme.

The scheme wouldn't work because somebody that was already making enough money to exceed the $94K cap on SS taxes would be in a higher income tax bracket than an illegal alien. If the IRS added their income to your own, they would deem you had underpaid your income taxes at the same time as you overpaid your FICA taxes. The refunded FICA tax overpayment would be less than the underpaid income taxes.


146 posted on 05/19/2006 10:10:28 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Yes....and just knowing that...only tends to make me MORE paranoid! Hahaha!



"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. ;)"


147 posted on 05/19/2006 6:19:25 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: ovrtaxt
Sam Brownback is a megalomaniac hell bent on NAFTA. He would love to see America razed to the ground to help the illegals financially.
148 posted on 05/19/2006 6:27:31 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (Behead those who say Islam is violent)
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To: Xenophon450

It's sad- he's so great on social issues, but clueless in this area. I couldn't support him.


149 posted on 05/19/2006 6:32:54 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: Jorge

This is morally warped.

These people worked for and earned their money just like any legal citizen has.

The idea that we should declare EVERY SINGLE act in this country illegal because a person sneaked across the border is nothing more than spite.

I find this kind of vengengeful position perhaps more reprehensible than the simple act of sneaking across any border could ever be.
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this entire scam is bizarre---how will it be a proven FACT that they have paid into it ? proven the same way their 5 years of residency is ?

they worked and earned their money just like any legal citizen has ? ya know, i wish my entire family could do exactly like them--work tax free and collect welfare..we'd be rich.


150 posted on 05/21/2006 7:13:52 PM PDT by catroina54 (sick and tired of all this illegal BuSiness)
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