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Social Security for illegals OK'd
WORLDNETDAILY ^ | May 18, 2006 | unknown

Posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Social Security for illegals OK'd

Senate blocks effort to limit benefits for those who become legal residents


Posted: May 18, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The U.S. Senate today rejected an effort to limit Social Security benefits for illegal aliens who become permanent residents under an immigration reform bill being debated.

As it stands, the bill the Senate is considering would give millions of illegals a path to U.S. citizenship if they pay fines, back taxes and meet other requirements.

The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.

"Social Security was not intended for people who entered our country illegally," Ensign is quoted as saying.

Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Reuters reported that later today senators will consider an amendment to the bill by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., to make English the national language.

As WorldNetDaily reported, yesterday the Senate approved an amendment to the immigration reform bill that would direct the building of a triple-layer fence along 370 miles of the southern border with Mexico.

The Bush administration today indicated the president supported the fence proposal.

"[Bush] doesn't think you fence off the entire border but there are places ... where fences are appropriate, and then, you build fences there," spokesman Tony Snow said.


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1 posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:49 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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Q: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

A: Denying wrongdoers the fruits of their criminality is eminently "fair".

2 posted on 05/18/2006 2:58:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: ovrtaxt
Social Security for illegals OK'd

Why am I not surprised?

3 posted on 05/18/2006 2:58:31 PM PDT by WayneM (Frist 202 224-3344, Hagel 202 224-4224 Martinez 202 224-3041. Call them TODAY!!!)
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To: ovrtaxt
This is unreal. Social Security Trust having problems and these jerks pass this. This is an impeachable offense to all those who voted for it. Specter, I will never vote for him again. IMO.
4 posted on 05/18/2006 2:59:38 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: ovrtaxt

I am dead set against amnesty. I don't want a guest worker program for illegals without their returning home to apply for it, but I don't agree that anybody should have to pay into SS without being eligible for benefits.


5 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:17 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: ovrtaxt
The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.

So not only are they not penalized for earning money under illegal status, there is no talk of stopping the anchor baby policy, cutting off welfare benefits, or ending subsidized health care for illegals. Not to mention jailtime for employers of illegal labor.

But lets build a 370 mile wall along a 1951 mile border.

6 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:22 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt

I better speed up my emigration plans for myself.


7 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:32 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: ovrtaxt
"Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

can anyone actually believe, in all honesty, that our Government will enforce, ANY LAW in regards to illegal aliens?

Doogle

8 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:13 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Well if the invasion isn't already at full flood, it will be now.


9 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:32 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: ovrtaxt

How on earth will they match contributions to the illegals when they never had valid SS numbers in the first place. If someone randomly picked my SS# to work under does that mean they get all my benefits instead of me?


10 posted on 05/18/2006 3:02:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: ovrtaxt
Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Kennedy is right, they should be able to collect the portion they paid in as they leave the country.

11 posted on 05/18/2006 3:02:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: umgud

Even if they paid into it under an illegal status?

If I shoplifted a winning lottery ticket from a 7-11 and I got caught, would I be eligible to receive the check?


12 posted on 05/18/2006 3:03:14 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt

Deport them.


13 posted on 05/18/2006 3:04:17 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: ovrtaxt

""But lets build a 370 mile wall along a 1951 mile border.""

Must be that fuzzy math we used to hear about.


14 posted on 05/18/2006 3:05:07 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: BenLurkin

When I cross the border to outlaw status and start robing banks, will I be excused and benefited in such fashion?


15 posted on 05/18/2006 3:06:42 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Cementjungle

Apparently so. What a country, eh?


16 posted on 05/18/2006 3:07:15 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: ovrtaxt

If they paid into it using false or stolen ID, send them to jail and them deport them.


17 posted on 05/18/2006 3:07:16 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: Cementjungle
randomly picked my SS# to work under does that mean they get all my benefits instead of me?

...wait...that crisis is another thing this Government will "explain" away. Meanwhile SS#'s are being sold at record numbers and the Government does nothing to establish, or provide protection to it's Citizenry. Simple ID protection.....wait, it's coming massive fraud with the help of the government.

18 posted on 05/18/2006 3:08:15 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: Mike Darancette
Kennedy is right, they should be able to collect the portion they paid in as they leave the country.

Why?

I have as less option to pay into SS than these illegals, and I'm not going to see but a portion of what I put in. Why favor the illegal worker over me with the full measure of his contributions? Also, will we be able to recoup the social cost, e.g., schools and medical services, that both you and I are providing for these tresspassers?

No - give them a ride home - period.

F--- Ted Kennedy!

19 posted on 05/18/2006 3:08:51 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: umgud

lol I get it!


20 posted on 05/18/2006 3:09:04 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: umgud
If they paid into it using false or stolen ID, send them to jail and them deport them.

How many illegals were using valid SS#'S??? For how long have we been issuing SS numbers to illegal aliens?

21 posted on 05/18/2006 3:09:23 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: ovrtaxt

The more I read about this illegal immigrant business,the more I feel like I'm tripping out on LSD. Just what the hell are these a$$holes doing to this country?


22 posted on 05/18/2006 3:09:52 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: ovrtaxt

These Senators have taken all leave of their senses (not that they had much to begin with).


23 posted on 05/18/2006 3:10:00 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: Racer1
Social Security Trust having problems

The major problem is that it is filled with IOUs otherwise known as non-market T-bills, which can only be redeemed by the USG. The SSTF represents a liability, is part of the national debt, and has no real assets. SS is a pay as you go system, which will start paying out more money than it is taking in 2017. Starting in 2008, the SS "surplus" will start declining.

24 posted on 05/18/2006 3:10:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ovrtaxt

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00130


25 posted on 05/18/2006 3:11:14 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: ovrtaxt

Compassionate conservative economics 101 at work for you.


26 posted on 05/18/2006 3:12:10 PM PDT by gipper81
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Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Easy.

It's called, "asset forfeiture".

If it's good enough for American criminals, it's good enough for Mexican ones, too.

27 posted on 05/18/2006 3:14:20 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Cementjungle

Ilegals can be issued Federal ID numbers to use instead of SS#'s. When ilegals use SS#'s, they are generally made up or fake.


28 posted on 05/18/2006 3:14:24 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: BenLurkin
A: Denying wrongdoers the fruits of their criminality is eminently "fair".

Don't forget that setting up a new law to do so is "comprehensive"

I can't wait til Frist has be addressed as "Senate Minority Leader" in a few months, what a bunch of crooks, they're allowing the privatizing of profits and the socializing of costs. I am gladly sending all the Senatorial Campaign committee junk mail back to them letting them know I'm not giving them anything because they won't seal the border.

29 posted on 05/18/2006 3:15:25 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("Fair and Comprehensive" is codespeak for Amnesty)
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To: kabar
SS is a pay as you go system, which will start paying out more money than it is taking in 2017. Starting in 2008, the SS "surplus" will start declining.

so another 100 million people won't accelerate the decline over the next ten years?. Thats providing they all work and pay into SS right?

30 posted on 05/18/2006 3:15:46 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: umgud
but I don't agree that anybody should have to pay into SS without being eligible for benefits.

Even if they paid into it under stolen SSN's?

31 posted on 05/18/2006 3:16:36 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: ovrtaxt
This is the real issue here, the implications are staggering and none are good.

I was being pretty open minded but NO
they all must go back and re apply and no counting being here illegally and using a fake SSN and never paying taxes.
In fact I would bet $100 that 90% of illegals that do file get money back. Anyone who makes less then $30,000 and has kids does not pay taxes at all but gets more then they pay in back as a refund.
sheeesh, the senate needs to be dissolved and hold all new electrons, wish we had a Parliament in this case. Join the minutemen, contribute to their fence, write your reps.
32 posted on 05/18/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by roverman2K6
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To: Doogle

...and if I remember correctly,they can even collect while living in, you got it, Mexico.


Doogle


33 posted on 05/18/2006 3:19:05 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: Cementjungle

If someone illegally used your SSN, all the benefits should go to you, not to them. This is one reason everyone should check with the Social Security boobocracy
regularly to make sure no other employer has been listed than those that you have worked for.


"How on earth will they match contributions to the illegals when they never had valid SS numbers in the first place. If someone randomly picked my SS# to work under does that mean they get all my benefits instead of me?"



34 posted on 05/18/2006 3:19:12 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: umgud
I am dead set against amnesty. I don't want a guest worker program for illegals without their returning home to apply for it, but I don't agree that anybody should have to pay into SS without being eligible for benefits.

I see.

I guess this means you support Bush's Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico.

Under the terms of the agreement, signed by Bush's appointed SSA Commissioner, Jo Ann Barnhart on June 29, 2004, Mexican illegal aliens will be eligible to apply for, and receive benefits after having worked for only 6 quarters (18 months) while US citizens only become eligible to apply after having worked 40 quarters (10 years).

Additionally, the Mexican illegal alien can apply for, and receive US SSA benefits for his Mexican (national) wife and children, even if they've never stepped foot in the US.

On the other hand, the US government routinely deprives American citizens of their illegal gains through asset forfeiture laws.

Can you please explain why Mexican illegal aliens should not be subject to these laws while American citizens are?

35 posted on 05/18/2006 3:19:49 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: umgud
Ilegals can be issued Federal ID numbers to use instead of SS#'s. When ilegals use SS#'s, they are generally made up or fake.

When the SSA encounters an invalid or duplicate SSA, their routine procedure is to simply issue a new SSN.

36 posted on 05/18/2006 3:21:24 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: AFreeBird
Even if they paid into it under stolen SSN's?

Of course not, they should be sent to jail, then deported, but illegals not using phoney or made up SS#'s can be issued Fed Tax ID#'s under which they can pay taxes, get refunds, qualify for the earned income credit (welfare).

37 posted on 05/18/2006 3:21:27 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: Racer1

And the RINOs are:
Brownback
Chafee
DeWine
Graham
Hagel
Lugar
Martinez
McCain
Specter
Voinovich

There you have it. And Bush supported Martinez and Specter over conservatives in the primaries last election..


38 posted on 05/18/2006 3:22:06 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: roverman2K6

And how is that considered 'fair' to taxpayers who make less than $30,000 with NO kids? As with everything else re: the federal government, it's NOT fair. Those who don't have kids pay taxes FOR those who DO have kids. It sucks.


"Anyone who makes less then $30,000 and has kids does not pay taxes at all but gets more then they pay in back as a refund."


39 posted on 05/18/2006 3:22:13 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee
If someone illegally used your SSN, all the benefits should go to you, not to them. This is one reason everyone should check with the Social Security boobocracy regularly to make sure no other employer has been listed than those that you have worked for.

Well, since virtually every illegal alien who paid into the system was using someone else's (or made up) number, how do they plan to sort that out? Will benefits for a given number be given to the first to file a claim? Or perhaps preference will go to the first Mexican who files a claim for a particular number.

40 posted on 05/18/2006 3:22:24 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: xrp

I'm looking at Costa Rica or Fiji. Gotta do some homework.


41 posted on 05/18/2006 3:22:24 PM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: ovrtaxt

The usual suspects!


42 posted on 05/18/2006 3:22:50 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Doogle; All

"can anyone actually believe, in all honesty, that our Government will enforce, ANY LAW in regards to illegal aliens?"

Certainly not, and as we have been told over and over, ad nauseum, we can't deport 12 million illegals...oops, I meant "undocumented workers".

We CAN, however, establish a huge layer-upon-layer bureaucracy to help sort out who gets to stay here and work, that will be fraught with corruption, waste, and typical government ineffeciencies.

Our most precious birthright is being cheapened and we are being pimped out by our elected "leaders", and we ain't seen nothing, yet. Makes sense to me.


43 posted on 05/18/2006 3:24:32 PM PDT by thelastvirgil (Incumbent politicians: PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.)
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To: Cementjungle

No. You need to contact the SS Admin. re: what you have paid in and what they have on record that you'll receive. They'll mail you a report/summary. Keep a close eye on what shows up on it. If you see any discrepancy re: past employers, I would report it immediately. That's all I know to do. Someone else here might be more knowledgeable about how it works.


44 posted on 05/18/2006 3:25:57 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

My view on illgal aliens is that they should all be deported. If the gov't is gonna turn its head and alow them to stay, the gov't shouldn't make them pay into a system they can't draw benefits from. If they are paying into it thru fake or stolen #'s they have committed a felony. I am also against making legal guest workers pay into the SS system. It should be for citizens.


45 posted on 05/18/2006 3:26:32 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: thelastvirgil
Our most precious birthright is being cheapened and we are being pimped out by our elected "leaders", and we ain't seen nothing, yet. Makes sense to me.

Which raises the question, what exactly did you think Bush meant when, in 1999, he uttered the phrase, "There ought to be limits to freedom."?

More importantly, why on earth would anyone vote for someone who said it?

46 posted on 05/18/2006 3:26:38 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: xrp
I better speed up my emigration plans for myself.

I can imagine that THOUSANDS will be thinking the same thing before today is done.

47 posted on 05/18/2006 3:27:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: umgud
My view on illgal aliens is that they should all be deported. If the gov't is gonna turn its head and alow them to stay, the gov't shouldn't make them pay into a system they can't draw benefits from. If they are paying into it thru fake or stolen #'s they have committed a felony. I am also against making legal guest workers pay into the SS system. It should be for citizens.

Once again, the government (state and federal) routinely deprives US citizens of their criminal gains through the use of asset forfeiture laws.

Please explain why Mexican illegal aliens should be exempt.

48 posted on 05/18/2006 3:28:50 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Mike Darancette

Teddy 'Hic' Kennedy's the biggest @ss in the history of the world. He's talking about illegal, law-breakers who are either illegally using someone ELSE'S SSN#, or illegally using a made-up one. Too bad the damned lightning missed.


49 posted on 05/18/2006 3:28:54 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee
No. You need to contact the SS Admin. re: what you have paid in and what they have on record that you'll receive. They'll mail you a report/summary. Keep a close eye on what shows up on it. If you see any discrepancy re: past employers, I would report it immediately. That's all I know to do. Someone else here might be more knowledgeable about how it works.

So far mine's clean, but there are 11 million illegals working under someone else's numbers. I don't understand how the government plans to make them entitled to benefits.

50 posted on 05/18/2006 3:30:22 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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