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Social Security for illegals OK'd
WORLDNETDAILY ^ | May 18, 2006 | unknown

Posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Social Security for illegals OK'd

Senate blocks effort to limit benefits for those who become legal residents


Posted: May 18, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The U.S. Senate today rejected an effort to limit Social Security benefits for illegal aliens who become permanent residents under an immigration reform bill being debated.

As it stands, the bill the Senate is considering would give millions of illegals a path to U.S. citizenship if they pay fines, back taxes and meet other requirements.

The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.

"Social Security was not intended for people who entered our country illegally," Ensign is quoted as saying.

Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Reuters reported that later today senators will consider an amendment to the bill by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., to make English the national language.

As WorldNetDaily reported, yesterday the Senate approved an amendment to the immigration reform bill that would direct the building of a triple-layer fence along 370 miles of the southern border with Mexico.

The Bush administration today indicated the president supported the fence proposal.

"[Bush] doesn't think you fence off the entire border but there are places ... where fences are appropriate, and then, you build fences there," spokesman Tony Snow said.


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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Well who did YOU vote for? Gore and sKerry???


"More importantly, why on earth would anyone vote for someone who said it?"


51 posted on 05/18/2006 3:30:51 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee
Teddy 'Hic' Kennedy's the biggest @ss in the history of the world. He's talking about illegal, law-breakers who are either illegally using someone ELSE'S SSN#, or illegally using a made-up one.

Which is exactly why we should apply asset forfeiture laws to these people and tell them, "Too bad" as we kick their asses out of the country.

Guess who Bush is going to side with, Kennedy or us?

52 posted on 05/18/2006 3:31:59 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Cementjungle

I don't know either. But any money the gov gets from illegals for social security, that the illegals will never receive, should be refunded to those states that are being the most negatively impacted by the flood of illegals, ie the border states.

It won't be, of course.


53 posted on 05/18/2006 3:32:55 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: ovrtaxt
Q: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Wrong! The money doesn't sit anywhere, it is payed by the taxpayers still working and no money is stock piled for future use because the government spends in on other things as fast as it comes in, plus it is a ponzi scheme.

54 posted on 05/18/2006 3:33:07 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: XenaLee
Well who did YOU vote for? Gore and sKerry???

None of the above.

Who did YOU vote for?

55 posted on 05/18/2006 3:33:18 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Bush sure as hell better NOT side with the "hic". That's all I know.


56 posted on 05/18/2006 3:35:44 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I didn't vote FOR anyone. I voted against the leftist DemRats (like I always do). And yes, that means the Rep Party.


57 posted on 05/18/2006 3:36:44 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: ovrtaxt

So what about the ones who paid SS using someone elses SS#


58 posted on 05/18/2006 3:37:40 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Please explain why Mexican illegal aliens should be exempt.

They shouldn't be exempt, they should be deported, but (big but), they should not be required or allowed to pay into the system. If anybody is compelled to pay into it, they should also be given the benefits. The SS admin, should report bogus numbers back to the employers to end the illegal's employment. They shouldn't issue fed ID #'s to illegals either.


59 posted on 05/18/2006 3:39:18 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: XenaLee
Bush sure as hell better NOT side with the "hic". That's all I know.

He already has.

In June 2004, Bush's appointed SSA commissioner signed the Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that gives, not only the Mexican illegal alien access to our SS benefits, but also allows him to apply for, and receive benefits for his Mexican wife and children, even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.

He's just waiting until he gets his amnesty program signed into law, then he's going to spring this one on us. Mark my words. The pieces are in place, he's just waiting to spring the trap.

60 posted on 05/18/2006 3:42:32 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: umgud
To start with they didn't "pay" into SS, they paid into someone's account other thean theirs because they used stolen SS numbers. They commited felonies and you think they should get SS benefits! Try thinking this through, you might change your mind!

These criminals are entillted to nothing!

61 posted on 05/18/2006 3:43:00 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: ovrtaxt

I think the elephant in the china shop is the "anchor baby problem". Not a word about our guest workers fathering new citizens.


62 posted on 05/18/2006 3:43:41 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Doogle
so another 100 million people won't accelerate the decline over the next ten years?. Thats providing they all work and pay into SS right?

The could extend the solvency period (the money coming in versus going out) beyond 2017, but ultimately they will result in an even bigger liability for the system. Moreover SS is not only a pension system, but also a disability and survivors insurance system. Increased numbers will increase the costs in these areas.

Currently, 48 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, including 33 million retirees, 7 million survivors, and 8 million disabled workers.

63 posted on 05/18/2006 3:44:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ovrtaxt

JOHN ENSIGN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008!!!!

Apparently, he's the only one that 'GETS IT'.

"The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully."


64 posted on 05/18/2006 3:45:05 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Racer1

"This is unreal. Social Security Trust having problems and these jerks pass this"

What SS trust? The D.C. politicians raided that fund years ago...there is NO fund....its like living paycheck to paycheck. They screwed it up in D.C. and they continue to screw it again.....the Senate contains the REAL Illegal Aliens..these D.C. schmucks are aliens to us true Americans.


65 posted on 05/18/2006 3:45:30 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: tflabo

The democrats and RINO's that always campaign on a platform to strengthen Social Security have voted to give away millions to illegal aliens that become “permanent residents”. This is just unbelievable. The Senate has lost it mind and we the people need to vote them out.


66 posted on 05/18/2006 3:46:58 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: umgud
They shouldn't be exempt, they should be deported, but (big but), they should not be required or allowed to pay into the system.

This wasn't the question. It's clear you don't want to answer it, so I'll drop the matter.

FRegards,

67 posted on 05/18/2006 3:46:59 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Mike Darancette
Kennedy is right, they should be able to collect the portion they paid in as they leave the country.

If you have ten Juan Gonzalez's that have been using the same name and SS# how do you determine who gets the money or do they all get it? Do they all get the full amount? How do you determine who gets what? What about the real Juan? What does he get?

68 posted on 05/18/2006 3:47:41 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!!!)
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To: XenaLee
I didn't vote FOR anyone. I voted against the leftist DemRats (like I always do). And yes, that means the Rep Party.

What's the difference?

The dems want to run the country off the cliff doing 90mph and the reps want to do it at 70mph. The end result is the same.

69 posted on 05/18/2006 3:48:44 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Keflavik76

K Man.....more than ever we need to rid the GOP quislings and traitors out of the party.


70 posted on 05/18/2006 3:49:33 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: ovrtaxt
I can see a very serious citizens revolt becoming possible.
Anyone have an idea about elections this NOVEMBER, do we stay party lines and elect someone with a spine and kick the incumbents out? At this point in time, it seems like the thing to do. Throw the spineless out!!!! We can send a very clear message.

Doogle
71 posted on 05/18/2006 3:52:05 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: umgud

If they're illegal, they're in all likelihood being paid under the table, so neither they nor their employers are paying into the SS system in the first place.


72 posted on 05/18/2006 3:52:39 PM PDT by kms61
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To: BenLurkin
cheaters get rewarded....

what a moral message!

73 posted on 05/18/2006 3:53:06 PM PDT by pointsal (Q)
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To: ovrtaxt

Well that sort of blows up the advantages of having illegals pay taxes for services they never collect doesn't it. Another nonsensical benefit of hiring illegals bites the dust .. big time.


74 posted on 05/18/2006 3:55:11 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Doogle

Its going to take a major revolt on election day to get these spineless politicians out of Congress, but its possible. Of all places, the CNN quick poll showed that over 60% of people approved of the new fence on the border. Controlling the border has wide support and many in Congress will get sent home over this issue.


75 posted on 05/18/2006 4:03:57 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: XenaLee
If someone illegally used your SSN, all the benefits should go to you, not to them. This is one reason everyone should check with the Social Security boobocracy regularly to make sure no other employer has been listed than those that you have worked for.

Why would I want to do that? If their benefits go to me, then I should encourage more to use my number (078-05-1120, go ahead use it!), not less.

76 posted on 05/18/2006 4:06:55 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BenLurkin

Exactly.

Since when does a criminal get to keep the fruits of their criminal activities ?

That goes for the employers as well. They should be charged, and in addition to the fines, they should have to pay the difference in wages between legal and illegal workers.

Of course, this whole SS issue wouldn't even exist if the employer had verified the SS# really belonged to the worker in the first place.


77 posted on 05/18/2006 4:08:54 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: OBXWanderer

Yep, I'm thinking Costa Rica or Belize.


78 posted on 05/18/2006 4:09:34 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: calex59

Try thinking this through, you might change your mind!

Try reading my other replies.


79 posted on 05/18/2006 4:10:41 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: Keflavik76

This clowns need to be sent a very clear message, either do their jobs and represent the majority, or prepare to leave office.


80 posted on 05/18/2006 4:14:52 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Mexicans get jobs that they won't allow anyone else to take from them.

On some coffee farms in the Pacific, Mexican bean pickers will hustle and fill 4 to 5 coffee bags a day, each bag weighing about 60 lbs.

They get paid $100 per bag which equates to over $100,000 a year.

Should anyone else try to get one of those jobs, the Mexican gangs will fight them.

But the Mexican coffee farm workers get paid in cash with a 1099 sent in to comply with the law. They never get FICA withheld from their pay and in fact there is no withholding. They are considered independent contractors.

Now here is a question:

For Americans who want coffee farm jobs but are barred by Mexican gangs, should the American government favor the American worker over the Mexican worker because the American will pay taxes whereas the Mexican will not bother to file?

Here is another question:

How many Freepers out there who are American citizens would like to work in the tropics, pick coffee beans all day and earn $150,000 a year with 6 weeks off time?


81 posted on 05/18/2006 4:16:38 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Kellis91789

Can an invalid SS# be used to deny or terminate employment?


82 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:02 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: Cementjungle
If someone randomly picked my SS# to work under does that mean they get all my benefits instead of me?

That may be a new thing to do. Go to the border and hand out your SS# to illegals. Tell them to use it, along with your name when they work. Come retirement, you will have a lifetime income of several million, and will retire in luxury.

That is another "good" way we can exploit these illegals. Cheap labor for business. Easy money for "entrepreneurs". The governement can look the other way in both instances.

83 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:14 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: Robertsll
That may be a new thing to do. Go to the border and hand out your SS# to illegals. Tell them to use it, along with your name when they work. Come retirement, you will have a lifetime income of several million, and will retire in luxury.

BTW, **not** recommended. With your name & SS#, illegals could use them to defraud you of money (take out loans in your name, etc).

84 posted on 05/18/2006 4:19:08 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: umgud

Sorry if I misread your post.


85 posted on 05/18/2006 4:20:32 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: Doogle

Its simply amazing to think about what is going on with Mexico. This corrupt government presides over a third world disaster, and “dumps” its yearning masses into the United States. Mexico should be doing something about illegal immigration but they encourage it. Mexico enforces stricter immigration laws then the US, and yet our politicians embrace Mexico as a friend. It makes me wonder why many in Washington are loathe to offend Mexico.


86 posted on 05/18/2006 4:35:59 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: xrp

Hey, check out the Caribbean, I moved to Anguilla in JULY 2005. It's a British Overseas Territory, not exactly cheap but not that bad either. I can turn off the news, stop reading FR and go for a swim, year round, LOL! Try here for information: www.news.ai

Oh yeah, adult beverages are really cheap!!!!!


87 posted on 05/18/2006 4:36:28 PM PDT by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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To: ovrtaxt

After reading through the posts this day, what can I say but I am speechless. I am shaking my head in amazement. What is to become of the United States of America?


89 posted on 05/18/2006 4:37:50 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Buy Danish!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Bond by Bond they rupture the respect we once had for our government. What happens if no respect remains by the governed towards the governor?


90 posted on 05/18/2006 4:41:28 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Robertsll

Even if not for the identity theft issue, remember that SS benefits are not proportional to earnings and they stop growing entirely above $94K/yr. So having a bunch of earnings above that cutoff reported doesn't do you any good on the SS benefits formula.

On the other hand, you COULD get a tax refund for overpayment of FICA taxes paid during the year. No need to wait until retirement.

If there were ten illegals using your SS# and employers were withholding a couple thousand bucks from each one, you could get a twenty thousand dollar tax refund that year !

I wonder if you could put a stop on Experian and the other credit agencies to prevent anyone from getting new credit in your name and under your SS#. So you have all the credit cards, mortgage and everything you need, and you prevent any new credit from being issued. That eliminates the identity theft problem but you still get the big tax refund for overpayment of FICA.


91 posted on 05/18/2006 4:47:46 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: Keflavik76

[Mexico should be doing something about illegal immigration but they encourage it.]

Actually, Mexico is very harsh with illegal immigration. They shoot people that enter their country illegaly.

I think you meant "emigration", which is people leaving a country. "Immigration" is people entering a country.


92 posted on 05/18/2006 4:50:43 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: ovrtaxt

I would have sworn ID Theft was a felony.


93 posted on 05/18/2006 4:58:37 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ovrtaxt

I've voted for Specter for the last time.


94 posted on 05/18/2006 4:58:58 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: Cementjungle

What they are doing -- according to a program last week -- is stealing newborns' ID's..... SS is aware of this and doesn't notify the parents because of one of those walls put in place by the Clinton Administration.


95 posted on 05/18/2006 5:00:35 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Gorobei

The new math they are teaching in California -- you get credit, now, if you get close; as long as you can explain how you arrived at the wrong answer.


96 posted on 05/18/2006 5:01:54 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Cobra64

They must all be taking the same drugs Patrick Kennedy is on.


97 posted on 05/18/2006 5:03:13 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

Frist should be replaced with a Republican with a set of ba!!$.... I blame him as much as anyone for what has happened in the senate. He absolutely is not able to control the agenda in any shape or form.


98 posted on 05/18/2006 5:05:24 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BenLurkin

"Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to... "

HA ! This is ridiculous - there is no $$...


99 posted on 05/18/2006 5:05:36 PM PDT by traumer
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To: ovrtaxt

Wave goodbye to your kids future.

The Republican party has become what the Democratic party was 40 years ago, and the Democratic party has become the Socialist party.

There is one GOOD hing about this... Maybe, when America is fully aware of the ramifications of this incredibly damaging decision, they will get on board with PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY. I would much prefer the gummint let me keep my money and invest it my way. I'd be a millionaire 3 times over by the time I retired.


100 posted on 05/18/2006 5:05:44 PM PDT by navyguy
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