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Posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
Social Security for illegals OK'd
Senate blocks effort to limit benefits for those who become legal residents
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
The U.S. Senate today rejected an effort to limit Social Security benefits for illegal aliens who become permanent residents under an immigration reform bill being debated.
As it stands, the bill the Senate is considering would give millions of illegals a path to U.S. citizenship if they pay fines, back taxes and meet other requirements.
The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.
"Social Security was not intended for people who entered our country illegally," Ensign is quoted as saying.
Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"
Reuters reported that later today senators will consider an amendment to the bill by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., to make English the national language.
As WorldNetDaily reported, yesterday the Senate approved an amendment to the immigration reform bill that would direct the building of a triple-layer fence along 370 miles of the southern border with Mexico.
The Bush administration today indicated the president supported the fence proposal.
"[Bush] doesn't think you fence off the entire border but there are places ... where fences are appropriate, and then, you build fences there," spokesman Tony Snow said.
Well who did YOU vote for? Gore and sKerry???
"More importantly, why on earth would anyone vote for someone who said it?"
Which is exactly why we should apply asset forfeiture laws to these people and tell them, "Too bad" as we kick their asses out of the country.
Guess who Bush is going to side with, Kennedy or us?
I don't know either. But any money the gov gets from illegals for social security, that the illegals will never receive, should be refunded to those states that are being the most negatively impacted by the flood of illegals, ie the border states.
It won't be, of course.
Wrong! The money doesn't sit anywhere, it is payed by the taxpayers still working and no money is stock piled for future use because the government spends in on other things as fast as it comes in, plus it is a ponzi scheme.
None of the above.
Who did YOU vote for?
Bush sure as hell better NOT side with the "hic". That's all I know.
I didn't vote FOR anyone. I voted against the leftist DemRats (like I always do). And yes, that means the Rep Party.
So what about the ones who paid SS using someone elses SS#
Please explain why Mexican illegal aliens should be exempt.
They shouldn't be exempt, they should be deported, but (big but), they should not be required or allowed to pay into the system. If anybody is compelled to pay into it, they should also be given the benefits. The SS admin, should report bogus numbers back to the employers to end the illegal's employment. They shouldn't issue fed ID #'s to illegals either.
He already has.
In June 2004, Bush's appointed SSA commissioner signed the Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that gives, not only the Mexican illegal alien access to our SS benefits, but also allows him to apply for, and receive benefits for his Mexican wife and children, even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.
He's just waiting until he gets his amnesty program signed into law, then he's going to spring this one on us. Mark my words. The pieces are in place, he's just waiting to spring the trap.
These criminals are entillted to nothing!
I think the elephant in the china shop is the "anchor baby problem". Not a word about our guest workers fathering new citizens.
The could extend the solvency period (the money coming in versus going out) beyond 2017, but ultimately they will result in an even bigger liability for the system. Moreover SS is not only a pension system, but also a disability and survivors insurance system. Increased numbers will increase the costs in these areas.
Currently, 48 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, including 33 million retirees, 7 million survivors, and 8 million disabled workers.
JOHN ENSIGN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008!!!!
Apparently, he's the only one that 'GETS IT'.
"The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully."
"This is unreal. Social Security Trust having problems and these jerks pass this"
What SS trust? The D.C. politicians raided that fund years ago...there is NO fund....its like living paycheck to paycheck. They screwed it up in D.C. and they continue to screw it again.....the Senate contains the REAL Illegal Aliens..these D.C. schmucks are aliens to us true Americans.
The democrats and RINO's that always campaign on a platform to strengthen Social Security have voted to give away millions to illegal aliens that become permanent residents. This is just unbelievable. The Senate has lost it mind and we the people need to vote them out.
This wasn't the question. It's clear you don't want to answer it, so I'll drop the matter.
If you have ten Juan Gonzalez's that have been using the same name and SS# how do you determine who gets the money or do they all get it? Do they all get the full amount? How do you determine who gets what? What about the real Juan? What does he get?
What's the difference?
The dems want to run the country off the cliff doing 90mph and the reps want to do it at 70mph. The end result is the same.
K Man.....more than ever we need to rid the GOP quislings and traitors out of the party.
If they're illegal, they're in all likelihood being paid under the table, so neither they nor their employers are paying into the SS system in the first place.
what a moral message!
Well that sort of blows up the advantages of having illegals pay taxes for services they never collect doesn't it. Another nonsensical benefit of hiring illegals bites the dust .. big time.
Its going to take a major revolt on election day to get these spineless politicians out of Congress, but its possible. Of all places, the CNN quick poll showed that over 60% of people approved of the new fence on the border. Controlling the border has wide support and many in Congress will get sent home over this issue.
Why would I want to do that? If their benefits go to me, then I should encourage more to use my number (078-05-1120, go ahead use it!), not less.
Since when does a criminal get to keep the fruits of their criminal activities ?
That goes for the employers as well. They should be charged, and in addition to the fines, they should have to pay the difference in wages between legal and illegal workers.
Of course, this whole SS issue wouldn't even exist if the employer had verified the SS# really belonged to the worker in the first place.
Yep, I'm thinking Costa Rica or Belize.
Try thinking this through, you might change your mind!
Try reading my other replies.
This clowns need to be sent a very clear message, either do their jobs and represent the majority, or prepare to leave office.
Mexicans get jobs that they won't allow anyone else to take from them.
On some coffee farms in the Pacific, Mexican bean pickers will hustle and fill 4 to 5 coffee bags a day, each bag weighing about 60 lbs.
They get paid $100 per bag which equates to over $100,000 a year.
Should anyone else try to get one of those jobs, the Mexican gangs will fight them.
But the Mexican coffee farm workers get paid in cash with a 1099 sent in to comply with the law. They never get FICA withheld from their pay and in fact there is no withholding. They are considered independent contractors.
Now here is a question:
For Americans who want coffee farm jobs but are barred by Mexican gangs, should the American government favor the American worker over the Mexican worker because the American will pay taxes whereas the Mexican will not bother to file?
Here is another question:
How many Freepers out there who are American citizens would like to work in the tropics, pick coffee beans all day and earn $150,000 a year with 6 weeks off time?
Can an invalid SS# be used to deny or terminate employment?
That may be a new thing to do. Go to the border and hand out your SS# to illegals. Tell them to use it, along with your name when they work. Come retirement, you will have a lifetime income of several million, and will retire in luxury.
That is another "good" way we can exploit these illegals. Cheap labor for business. Easy money for "entrepreneurs". The governement can look the other way in both instances.
BTW, **not** recommended. With your name & SS#, illegals could use them to defraud you of money (take out loans in your name, etc).
Sorry if I misread your post.
Its simply amazing to think about what is going on with Mexico. This corrupt government presides over a third world disaster, and dumps its yearning masses into the United States. Mexico should be doing something about illegal immigration but they encourage it. Mexico enforces stricter immigration laws then the US, and yet our politicians embrace Mexico as a friend. It makes me wonder why many in Washington are loathe to offend Mexico.
Hey, check out the Caribbean, I moved to Anguilla in JULY 2005. It's a British Overseas Territory, not exactly cheap but not that bad either. I can turn off the news, stop reading FR and go for a swim, year round, LOL! Try here for information: www.news.ai
Oh yeah, adult beverages are really cheap!!!!!
After reading through the posts this day, what can I say but I am speechless. I am shaking my head in amazement. What is to become of the United States of America?
Bond by Bond they rupture the respect we once had for our government. What happens if no respect remains by the governed towards the governor?
Even if not for the identity theft issue, remember that SS benefits are not proportional to earnings and they stop growing entirely above $94K/yr. So having a bunch of earnings above that cutoff reported doesn't do you any good on the SS benefits formula.
On the other hand, you COULD get a tax refund for overpayment of FICA taxes paid during the year. No need to wait until retirement.
If there were ten illegals using your SS# and employers were withholding a couple thousand bucks from each one, you could get a twenty thousand dollar tax refund that year !
I wonder if you could put a stop on Experian and the other credit agencies to prevent anyone from getting new credit in your name and under your SS#. So you have all the credit cards, mortgage and everything you need, and you prevent any new credit from being issued. That eliminates the identity theft problem but you still get the big tax refund for overpayment of FICA.
[Mexico should be doing something about illegal immigration but they encourage it.]
Actually, Mexico is very harsh with illegal immigration. They shoot people that enter their country illegaly.
I think you meant "emigration", which is people leaving a country. "Immigration" is people entering a country.
I would have sworn ID Theft was a felony.
I've voted for Specter for the last time.
What they are doing -- according to a program last week -- is stealing newborns' ID's..... SS is aware of this and doesn't notify the parents because of one of those walls put in place by the Clinton Administration.
The new math they are teaching in California -- you get credit, now, if you get close; as long as you can explain how you arrived at the wrong answer.
They must all be taking the same drugs Patrick Kennedy is on.
Frist should be replaced with a Republican with a set of ba!!$.... I blame him as much as anyone for what has happened in the senate. He absolutely is not able to control the agenda in any shape or form.
"Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to... "
HA ! This is ridiculous - there is no $$...
Wave goodbye to your kids future.
The Republican party has become what the Democratic party was 40 years ago, and the Democratic party has become the Socialist party.
There is one GOOD hing about this... Maybe, when America is fully aware of the ramifications of this incredibly damaging decision, they will get on board with PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY. I would much prefer the gummint let me keep my money and invest it my way. I'd be a millionaire 3 times over by the time I retired.
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