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Bush Losing Hispanics? (GOP ship of state becoming the Titanic?)
The American Thinker ^ | May 21, 2006 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 05/21/2006 12:41:14 PM PDT by quidnunc

So claims the Washington Post. The GOP is on the verge of a major electoral disaster. Each week more House seats once considered safe (60-65% for Bush in 04) are now on the endangered list for incumbent GOP congressmen. The list is probably over 50 at this point,and may grow some more. 

More GOP senators are now in trouble. Add Jon Kyl of Arizoan to the list. He is now but 7 points ahead of a very wealthy competitor (last three polls showed him up 29, then 15, now 7). Seven GOP Senate seats are at risk and 3 Demcratic seats (maybe 4 if Mfume wins Democratic primary in Maryland).

Bush tried to thread the needle on immigration — appeal to both conservatives and Hispanics — and failed. He needed to get this bill through before passions were ignited, but his political weakness prevented that.

Many Hispanics apparently were radicalized by the mass demonstrations, and no longer are open to any appeal for a balanced immigration plan.

The demonstrations also hardened attitudes on the  right. If Bush is forced to choose, and goes with his conservative base, he likely writes off the chance of a 40% or more GOP Hispanic vote share for decades, and the result will be similar to what happened in Califronia  after Pete Wilson’s immigration referendums (a 20% GOP voting share of Hispanics).

That spells big trouble for the GOP all over the country. Hispanics were 7% of national vote in 04, and will likely be 9% in 08. This group split 4 to 3 of the 7% in 04. If they split 7 to 2 or 6 to 3 of the 9% in 08, the GOP could be toast in the Presidential race. We could be seeing the end of the GOP’s dream of being a majority party this year.


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To: Buffettfan
"The GOP isn't smart enough to figure out that it is signing it's own death warrant by giving these illegal aliens amnesty."

Well I have a scarier thought. What if they DID know and went ahead anyway? What would that suggest? Is there something happening here that the general population was not given the memo on?

With the North American Union moving over into the passing lane, I have to believe that the suckers do know what they're doing.

51 posted on 05/21/2006 3:00:00 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quidnunc

The GOP is in trouble because the President and many key senators have betrayed their base. Period. If they had the guts to enforce the law in the first place, many of these Hispanic voters wouldn't exist. Contributions from companies wanting cheap labor won't help bring back the base this time.


52 posted on 05/21/2006 3:17:47 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Czar; Borax Queen; joanie-f; janetgreen; Smartass; JustPiper

Ping


53 posted on 05/21/2006 3:19:51 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: rbg81

Many Hispanic voters (catch that: that means they're legal citizens) are ENRAGED with Bush's amnesty plans.


54 posted on 05/21/2006 3:21:27 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: oceanview
where are legal Hispanic Americans on this issue? I think its tough to read.

if the only way to get votes of legal Hispanic Americans - is too allow 100 million new Hispanic ummigrants over the next 20 years, via amnesty and family "unification" - this country is in serious trouble.
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Is there a "Hispanic" vote? I think that belief is just another stereotypical liberal media fallacy. The belief that somewhere there is this "Hispanic" race of people who monolithically vote and act as one unit it totally false. Mexicans have a very different history and culture than do Puerto Ricans, or Cubans, or West Indians. It is simply racist to group all these diverse cultures into one group and absurd to think they all behave and vote the same.
Why would Puerto Ricans support Mexican illegals when Puerto Rico has been a US territory throughout history and they can't even agree to support statehood or independence. Do we believe that all Spanish speaking people unite around a hatred and distrust of "Anglos". Is the Cuban or Dominican experience the same as illegal Mexicans? We do everyone a disservice when we categorize people this way.
55 posted on 05/21/2006 3:25:53 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Buffettfan

Good comment. I agree, a revolution needs/will take place in future elections. The soultion is simple -- Build a fence and seal the border, and jail anyone caught employing an illegal. Problems will be migrating south in a few days.


56 posted on 05/21/2006 3:26:09 PM PDT by devane617
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To: quidnunc

Uh-huh, and nice of them to conveniently ignore the fact all Hispanics don't think alike on the issue. There is a strong minority that wants strict enforcement.

Nice try.


57 posted on 05/21/2006 3:29:06 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: new yorker 77
Many Hispanics apparently were radicalized by the mass demonstrations, and no longer are open to any appeal for a balanced immigration plan.

Fake Polls are for morons too lazy to think.

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Exactly. The phrase "many Hispanics apparently" shows the degree to which this article adheres to even rudimentary standards of accuracy. Actually it is American citizens who have been radicalized by the demonstrations, and consequently the knee jerk amnesty response by our esteemed senate to the intimidation by the illegals, is hanging out there infuriating Americans by the millions. No new law, at this point, short of closing the borders and penalizing those illegals already here will satisfy the American people on this issue.
58 posted on 05/21/2006 3:36:09 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: RFT1
Ok, GOP wins MN and probably NJ, holds the Santorum seat. So which seats will the GOP lose? I can't find any. Perhaps the Burns seat in MT, but that's a deep red state that I have trouble believing a Dem can beat an incumbent in.

Other supposedly "vulnerable" seats are DeWine (he was up 7 last I saw, and hasn't really started campaigning against Brown), Talent in MO (again, I just don't see this), and Santorum.

We have an outside shot at the MD seat, and had we run a better candidate, we should have picked off the Nelson seat in FL as well. But it's still early. I don't see ANY trend that works in the Dems' favor---certainly not the WOT, certainly not security, and certainly not illegals.

59 posted on 05/21/2006 3:41:36 PM PDT by LS
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To: pennboricua; oceanview
Believe me as a Puerto Rican, how we are viewed and how we view other Hispanics would surprise you, the amount of dislike, envy, superiority complex, and other factors would astound you, we are not of a like mind, trust me.....pennboricua

Pennboricua is absolutely right.

Except for us Cubans, of course, who are above all that and perfect in every way. ;-)

60 posted on 05/21/2006 3:42:23 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: photodawg

let's not start throwing around the "racism" term - I never claimed to personally know all the beliefs of every possible latino american based on nation of origin.


61 posted on 05/21/2006 3:44:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: photodawg
Tell someone of Cuban origin that they are Puerto Rican.

Tell someone of Ecuadorean origin that they are Mexican.

Tell someone of Mexican origin that they are Honduran.

Call them Hispanics?

How about whites?

Tell someone of Italian origin that they are French.

Tell someone of German origin that they are Polish.

Tell someone of Irish origin that they are English.

They are all white, but to imply they are all monolithic in voting shows an ignorance that the author of the article wears like an anchor.
62 posted on 05/21/2006 3:45:49 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: oceanview

I suggest politicians add a no or yes to their R or D..No meaning no to Anarchy, Amnesty and end of the USA, Yes for yes to Anarchy,Amnesty and end of the USA..simple huh?


63 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Polybius

Yes I know and you glide down on parasols. LOL


64 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:23 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: nicmarlo
I'm not shocked or surprised.
The very reason, 'Snake Oil" companies go bankrupt...fast!

 

65 posted on 05/21/2006 3:51:59 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: quidnunc

So Mexicans elected Vicente Fox in their own country - who will they elect here? I'm sure it won't be anyone smarter or more honest then Fox.


66 posted on 05/21/2006 3:59:27 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: Smartass

: )


67 posted on 05/21/2006 4:07:31 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; devolve; OXENinFLA; bitt; La Enchiladita; JustPiper; ...

Bush Is Losing Hispanics' Support, Polls Show

Surveys Find the Immigration Debate Is Also Alienating White Conservatives

Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, May 21, 2006; Page A06

Hispanic voters, many of whom responded favorably to President Bush's campaign appeals emphasizing patriotism, family and religious values in Spanish-language media in 2004, are turning away from the administration on immigration and a host of other issues, according to a new survey.

 Fulls story

 


68 posted on 05/21/2006 4:13:43 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: RFT1

I agree with your analysis. The "business" wing of the GOP is cutting its own throat.


69 posted on 05/21/2006 4:19:09 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: pennboricua
Yes I know and you glide down on parasols. LOL

Y, cuando aterrisamos, somos el ombligo del mundo. ;-)

It is amusing to read some liberal writer without a clue speaking of so-called "Hispanics" as a monolithic block. The only thing we all have in common is that we are all very Politically Incorrect, especially when we are talking about each other.

70 posted on 05/21/2006 4:19:30 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Smartass

bump!


71 posted on 05/21/2006 4:21:42 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: quidnunc

Since most Latino Americans don't want the USA to be over-run by millions of more illegals, Bush could have won everyone's respect by closing the border. Now it is getting messed up and confused. Do conservative things and you will have no problem.

I had a lengthy conversation with a die-hard liberal in my town today and she is upset about the invasion.

I think Republicans have let a great opportunity go by the wayside.

Bush doesn't need to choose, he needs to do what is right, and that is to close the border from further invasion.


72 posted on 05/21/2006 4:23:02 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Smartass

Guess Bill Krystol and Juan Williams didn't get the memo -- I just listened to their drivel on Fox...


73 posted on 05/21/2006 4:28:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: photodawg
No new law, at this point, short of closing the borders and penalizing those illegals already here will satisfy the American people on this issue.

Which is the point I have been making, to wit: if the debate in 2006 is not about expulsion/deportation, but rather amnesty/citizenship, where will the line be drawn in 2026?

74 posted on 05/21/2006 4:29:25 PM PDT by lemura
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To: RFT1
do business owners and managers

Bud, they're way ahead of us. Offshore accounts, changes of domecile & multi-layered asset protection plans will allow them to spirit away their ill gotten gains.

75 posted on 05/21/2006 4:32:06 PM PDT by lemura
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To: Mr. Mojo

>>>"Does the GOP establishment honestly believe that by giving 30 million Hispanics (and their tens of millions of relatives) amenesty they have a chance in hell of securing even a small fraction of their vote? This amnesty would be an electoral disaster beyond their worst nightmares."

As I recall the contentious numbers, post-election polling after Bush's second election showed about 40 percent of Hispanics voted for Bush.

The highest were Cubans in Florida at around 51 percent (I faintly recall them being over 50 percent but I could be wrong), then Texas Hispanics around 45 % (less than 50 percent but not too shabby), then northeastern Hispanics (Puerto Rico?), and finally Californian/West Coast Hispanics around 35 percent. Bush only did well with Cubans. Texas Hispanics didn't go against him very much. Anyone with better recall of the statistics, please join in.

But the bulk of the Hispanics (and it's resulting average) showed that wooing Hispanics was a losing proposition because: 1) he'll never get over 50 percent and 2) by pandering to Hispanics, he loses his HUGE non-Hispanic voters. What's interesting with the Hispanic voters is the high percentage that are for controlling illegal immigration (I think they are worried for their wage rates.)

These immigration bills demonstrate bad "strategery." There is still time (but barely) to recover (shut down the border tight as a drum, clamp down on employers, etc.). But it is doubtful that the current cast of characters will admit their errors. They will blunder on with their ship of state staring directly into the beams of the lighthouse.


76 posted on 05/21/2006 4:41:25 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Arizona Carolyn
When Juan Williams comes on FOX News, I change channels.
To me, Williams suffers from a defective liberal implant chip.

Billy Krystol cycles up, and down. One day he's supportive of an issue,
the next he doesn't get it straight.
77 posted on 05/21/2006 4:42:19 PM PDT by Smartass (Vaya con Dios - And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets)
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To: quidnunc
If Bush is forced to choose, and goes with his conservative base, he likely writes off the chance of a 40% or more GOP Hispanic vote share for decades, and the result will be similar to what happened in Califronia after Pete Wilson’s immigration referendums (a 20% GOP voting share of Hispanics).

Again, this is false. Wilson did not cause the changes. It was California's failure to implement Prop 187 that caused that. Wilson had strong support as has every other anti-illegals candidate.

hat spells big trouble for the GOP all over the country. Hispanics were 7% of national vote in 04, and will likely be 9% in 08. This group split 4 to 3 of the 7% in 04. If they split 7 to 2 or 6 to 3 of the 9% in 08, the GOP could be toast in the Presidential race. We could be seeing the end of the GOP’s dream of being a majority party this year.

This bizarre amnesty program will end the GOP's chances for decades if it passes. The uneducated working-class Hispanics, many with poor dependents, will always be more susceptible to the Dims promising them goodies. They already are voting 80% Dim in recent elections. Bringing in even more of them will absolutely doom the GOP.
78 posted on 05/21/2006 4:43:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RFT1

"The non liberal white Democratic voters......"

No such people.


79 posted on 05/21/2006 4:44:56 PM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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To: Smartass

Juan is almost comical he's such a characature.. Kristol is to elite to get it.


80 posted on 05/21/2006 4:45:27 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: pennboricua
Legal hispanic here, as far as I am concerned the most pressing issue right now is our loss of immigration control, I strongly support fining all businessed that hire illegal aliens and militarizing our borders if need be.

What you're saying is what our local legal Hispanics are saying. We need to hear more from the legal Hispanic immigrant community, those who played by the rules and who should not have their wages driven down by illegals who won't follow the rules.

What's sad is to read so many stories of how poorly immigrants of all races are treated when they do obey all the laws. Then Bush and the Senate want to reward people who have broken every rule. It is grossly unfair to the legal immigrants we have. And these illegals should not be granted amnesty when we have tens of thousands of legal immigrants or American citizens who have not been able to bring their own families here, sometimes after years of waiting. In some cases, after decades. It's terrible to do that to people who do play by the rules.

As Mark Levin says, we need immigrants. Legal immigrants who want to be Americans, just like all the immigrants who came here before. Crossing a border illegally doesn't make a person American. At least, it shouldn't. And we should do more to treat all our legal immigrants more fairly as well.
81 posted on 05/21/2006 4:51:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RFT1
The non liberal white Democratic voters are in the most danager of bolting the Democratic party,

The real danger is the unrest on the Dim plantation from blacks. They correctly see that the Dims will no longer pay any attention to them once they capture this new Hispanic vote. They don't like it one bit. I'm waiting to see whether they move toward the GOP in this election. If not, then by '08, I think.
82 posted on 05/21/2006 4:54:20 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: quidnunc

"Many Hispanics apparently were radicalized by the mass demonstrations, and no longer are open to any appeal for a balanced immigration plan. "

Never were. Pay attention D.C. Those signs don't say "Willing to Earn Amnesty" or "Secure the Border Now".

La Revolucion Continua........

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

http://medcarta.us/chicanopark/images.aspx


83 posted on 05/21/2006 4:55:01 PM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
2) by pandering to Hispanics, he loses his HUGE non-Hispanic voters.

A point that's often overlooked. They figure the voters who'd get peeved by their pandering have nowhere else to go, and that when it comes time to actually casting their votes they'll be sufficiently horrified by the Democrat nominee to automatically punch the "R" ticket. ....no matter who's on it.

They're dead wrong. Many would vote third party, many would vote Independent, and many would stay home out of protest or discouragement.

84 posted on 05/21/2006 4:56:03 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: new yorker 77
Call them Hispanics? How about whites?

That use of the term "Hispanic" has a completely different meaning in Spanish-speaking countries.

In Spanish-speaking countries, "Hispano" (derived from the Roman province of Hispania) is used to mean "of or from Spain" in the same way that Americans use the term "British" (derived from the Roman province of Britannia) is used to mean ""of or from Great Britain".

For example, Banco Hispano Americano is a Spanish bank that does business in Latin America.

In Spanish-speaking countries, the race issue is talked about right up front without resorting to Political Correctness.

If you are White, you are a "Blanco". (Daisy Fuentes)

If you are Black, you are a "Negro". ("El Duque" Hernadez)

If you are of mixed White and Black blood, you are a "Mulatto". (Felipe Alou)

If you are of mixed White and Meso-American Indian blood (as is 60% of the Mexican population) you are a "Mestizo". (Cesar Chavez)

If you are of pure Indian blood, you would be an "Indio". (Montezuma)

If you are of Asian blood, you automatically become a "Chino" whether or not you are Chinese, Japanese or Korean. (Alberto Fujimori....ex-President of Peru)

An "Hispano" would be a Spaniard who would, as a separate matter, also be a Blanco.

Although Mexicans in Mexico celebrate being Mestizo, an American liberal would rather bite off his tongue than use the word and be considered Politically Incorrect.

Thus, in the U.S., an "Hispanic" means everything from a Blanco to a Mulatto to a Mestizo to an Indio but is frequently used as a euphemism to mean "not White".

85 posted on 05/21/2006 5:06:10 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Eastbound; Buffettfan; Peach
Well I have a scarier thought. What if they DID know and went ahead anyway? What would that suggest? Is there something happening here that the general population was not given the memo on? With the North American Union moving over into the passing lane, I have to believe that the suckers do know what they're doing.

I have posted a few times on this.

CFR and the business elites at the multinationals desire the North American Community, combining Canada, America and Mexico. This is a long-range plan, in the works for the last 25 years. Of all our secretaries of state and presidents and major media figures in the last 20 years, only Reagan was not a CFR member.

First came the peso bailour, opposed by 90% of citizens. Then came the Reagan amnesty for 3 million illegals but with enforcement provisions Reagan's successors refused to enforce. Then came NAFTA with 80%-90% opposition. Then lots of manufacturing moved to Mexico, something most people didn't like. Then even larger illegal immigration and the granting of all kinds of rights to them, again consistently opposed by the citizens, both liberal nad conservative. Then the attempts to eliminate the border entirely for drivers' license purposes. Then CAFTA. All of these things have been consistently opposed by voters across the board. And yet under the leadership of both parties, they have proceeded.

The primary actors in this this little drama are Bush I, Clinton I, Bush II, and soon Clinton II (Hillary). Just as the Clintons and Bushes have implemented the exact same plans on education, they are also the same in this unification plan. If Bush cna get Jeb to run in '08, then substitute Bush III for Clinton II. Same results either way though on this central shared agenda.

As for the GOP, the Rockefeller Republicans think this is their chance to purge the GOP once and for all of all Reagan-Gingrich conservatives and the influence of the Religious Right. Even if it costs them the majorities in Congress and the WH for decades, they prefer this so they can run the Romney's and the Guiliani's and the William Weld's, in short, all the liberal Republicans they want. What we'd end up with is what Canada has: our choice of two very liberal and almost identical parties.

The House conservatives correctly perceive the Rockefeller Republicans' agenda here. The country clubbers have always hated Reagan, always hated us, always hated the Christian and pro-life camp. This is why Bush lured the House into including the felony provisions in their legislation and then hung them out to dry on it. That is why Sensenbrenner is so angry. The House is pretty determined to hold their ground because they understand what the Rockefeller faction is trying to do to them, to the party, and to the country at large.

Well, like it or hate it, it's about the only explanation for what would otherwise be a total death wish by Bush and the GOP Senate in this amnesty fiasco.
86 posted on 05/21/2006 5:11:21 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Smartass

Is Juan Williams smart enough to be on t.v.? Maybe he is just there for Brit Hume to knock down.


87 posted on 05/21/2006 5:13:32 PM PDT by Revererdrv (G)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
The highest were Cubans in Florida at around 51 percent (I faintly recall them being over 50 percent but I could be wrong)

That's a mistake. The "Florida Hispanic vote" does not mean only the "Cuban American vote" and most non-Cubans in Florida vote Democrat. So, you have to be careful what percentage applies to what.

In 2000, the Cuban American vote was 81% for Bush.

In 2004, the Cuban American vote was 77% for Bush.

While 72 percent of Hispanics voted for President Clinton in 1996, the figure dropped to 62 percent for Al Gore in 2000, and to 54 percent for John Kerry last year. Oh yeah, and Cuban Americans are all supposed to be right-wing Republicans. But while President Bush made gains among Hispanics in the last election, his support among Cubans in Miami is headed in the opposite direction: After winning 82 percent in 2000, his support fell to 77 percent in 2004.

88 posted on 05/21/2006 6:02:38 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Mr. Mojo

Does the GOP establishment honestly believe that by giving 30 million Hispanics (and their tens of millions of relatives) amenesty they have a chance in hell of securing even a small fraction of their vote?

They better wise up and get them out of here while they are still in power. The Mexicans will not vote Republican.


89 posted on 05/21/2006 7:07:53 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Polybius

When I said "Cubans in Florida" I was sloppily referring to the TOTAL HISPANIC vote in Florida.

And, the Cubans combined with the other Hispanic voters added up to around 55 percent.

Do you have combined numbers in addition to Cuban Americans being around 77 percent in 2004?

And, did Bush's policy towards Cuba have anything to do with his drop in popularity?


90 posted on 05/21/2006 7:44:53 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
When I said "Cubans in Florida" I was sloppily referring to the TOTAL HISPANIC vote in Florida.

Cubans used to make up 80% of the Florida Hispanic vote so the "Cuban vote" and the "Hispanic vote" was pretty close. Now Cubans only make up 60% of the Florida Hispanic vote.

There goes the neighborhood. :-)

Do you have combined numbers in addition to Cuban Americans being around 77 percent in 2004?

In 2004, Bush received 56% of the Hispanic vote in Florida

And, did Bush's policy towards Cuba have anything to do with his drop in popularity?

I live in the Puget Sound area now so I am out of touch with the latest in Cuban politics.

I think that the 77% level is the new baseline as younger Cubans are old enough to vote and express youthful rebellion by ....gasp.....voting Democrat.

In my day, you might as well have told your parents that you were gay and have gotten a less shocked response.

In 2000, because of the Elian fiasco, the parents were able to do an "I told you so" on the younger generation and the Republican numbers went back above 80%.

91 posted on 05/21/2006 8:15:07 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
There goes the neighborhood. :-)

Now we have all these freaking New Yoricans moving en masse to Central Florida.

I could care less that they are Puerto Rican. It's the fact that they are from New York City - and Democrat.

The President could be swinging alot of these people over the immigration issue. But he's blowing it there too.

92 posted on 05/21/2006 8:46:45 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Why do the AFL-CIO and UFW want illegal aliens?)
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To: George W. Bush
Well, I knew there had to be an explanation. So if there is no difference who we vote for, the only thing we can do until that big day when our sovereignty is officially down the tube is to vote conservative.

I hate it when something like this sneaks up on us. Just ruins my day. Hope it doesn't ruin the country.

Regardless, there are a lot of us that will not allow our national Sovereignty to be removed. The nation belongs to the people, not the gummint. Just a timely reminder to all concerned.

93 posted on 05/21/2006 10:20:21 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quidnunc
Mort hidden agenda by the pros at the hidden agenda MSM, trying to cause and stir up dissent in the Republican party.

Let S2611 get approved in it's current form and 60 million new Mexican oops American voters will certainly guarantee that we will have a government that somewhat favors the imbecilic corruption they have to live with in Mexico City.

This is the worst piece of legislation since Reconstruction days.

Besides I don't think Bush will lose that many of the 40% that voted for him in 2004.

Most of the Hispanics I talk with say they are angry at Democrats for wanting to give away for nothing what they had to work many years to get.
94 posted on 05/21/2006 10:30:50 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Torie

I don't see how Kyl loses. He's solid all the way around. The most surprising group I see against the illegals are blacks. I drive a lot of them in my job. They get very angry at the taking of social services by illegals. The problem is, it won't affect their voting allegiance because they see Republicans as a threat to the same services.


95 posted on 05/21/2006 10:35:04 PM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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To: Luke21
I thought Kyl was tough on illegals? Why would he be going down in the polls?
96 posted on 05/21/2006 10:40:34 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Eastbound
Well, I knew there had to be an explanation. So if there is no difference who we vote for, the only thing we can do until that big day when our sovereignty is officially down the tube is to vote conservative. I hate it when something like this sneaks up on us. Just ruins my day. Hope it doesn't ruin the country.

Well, it's not a perfect explanation. But when you see such strange behavior, you have to assume they're not crazy. And when you have a string of events like peso bailout, NAFTA, CAFTA, vast fraud allowed in federal programs, the amnesty bill and you recognize an agenda by both parties against the wishes of 85% or more of the voters of both parties, then you must have an explanation. And since CFR touts the North American Community and is bipartisan...

Like I said, it's not perfect. But it is at least an explanation that is consistent.
97 posted on 05/22/2006 5:56:40 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Luke21
The most surprising group I see against the illegals are blacks. I drive a lot of them in my job. They get very angry at the taking of social services by illegals. The problem is, it won't affect their voting allegiance because they see Republicans as a threat to the same services.

Handled correctly, we could probably split the black vote on this.

They don't want to be marginalized as one of the 3 primary victim groups on the Dim plantation. They are starting to see very clearly how little regard the Dims have for them.
98 posted on 05/22/2006 5:58:44 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: quidnunc
I'm reading allot of doubt that these numbers are true on the reply post. I believe it and I believe that Bush is between a rock and a hard place and that the GOP could be in some big trouble in 2008 and beyond.

In former White House adviser David Frum's book written in 2003, long before the border was front page news he writes this:

"Mexican Americans were emerging as the single most powerful swing voting bloc in U.S. elections, but one that was increasingly tilting against Bush's Republican Party. If the Mexican Americans were lured to the Democratic column by the promise of more lavish social spending and racial preferences for their children in college and on the job, the Republicans would be locked out of the White House forever. If, on the otherhand, Bush somehow found a way to reverse the Mexican American voting trend, he would reelect himself and bequeath a strongly competitive party to his successor."

Now this was written before the debate changed to just how closed to we want to close the border. Now I agree neither party seems to want to completely close the border as we in the base would wish, but you can clearly pick out the Party that is trolling for the Mexican American vote the strongest, the Dems. And they don't have a base that is upset by their fishing for Mexican American votes like we do.

Remember Bush won Florida by a mere 500 votes. Florida, a State with a large and fast growing Hispanic population.

I can see the dilemma that Bush faces. Best I can do is pray for him, pray for our Party, but most important pray for our country. God help us if North America becomes the Western Hemisphere's version of the European Union, but I can see it coming.
99 posted on 05/22/2006 6:42:06 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: quidnunc

...but...


100 posted on 05/22/2006 6:45:09 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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