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The Massive Yet Tiny Engine (gearhead tech breakthrough!)
American Antigravity ^ | 5/12/2006 | Tin Ventura

Posted on 05/21/2006 3:35:17 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Imagine dumping the big V-8 in your SUV for a 25-pound, 2.4 liter engine that gives you 150 miles per gallon on biodiesel - with a boost in horsepower and torque to boot. Meet Raphial Morgado and the little engine that could... With up to 40 times the power to weight ratio of a conventional engine, flexible fuel compatibility, a displacement of 850 cubic inches and the torque of a 32-cylinder engine, the MYT is the beginning of a new paradigm for engines in the 21st century!

"The inspiration for the MYT Engine design came from the need to have an engine that can stand up to the tremendous abuse of drag racing. After literally blowing up more than my share of engines during racing, I swore to myself that I'd build something that met the required needs while providing higher-durability & reduced complexity in the process. Also, because this design was originally intended for the output demands of the drag-strip, I wanted a design that would give me the largest displacement, highest torque, and lightest weight available. The Massive Yet Tiny engine meets those needs, with 850 cubic inches of displacement, 32-pulses per cycle, and a 150 pound package measuring only 14" by 14" in diameter."

"By replacing an 800 pound V-8 engine with a 25 pound MYT and running it on biodiesel, we can achieve 150 miles per gallon in an otherwise conventional vehicle -- plus, you're going to have better take-off and stopping power by removing that 800 pound engine. That's what we can do. It is achievable." - Raphial Morgado

The MYT engine is the result of a $4 million dollar R&D project undertaken by Angel Labs LLC to build the ultimate internal combusion engine. Inspired by drag racing, inventor Raphial Morgado designed the engine with a focus on power, torque, and fuel-efficiency to meet the hefty demands of the today's automotive applications in a lightweight package. The result was a revolutionary design with a power-to-weight ratio up to 40 to 1, over 3,000 ft/lbs of torque, and a diesel-mode mileage in excess of 150 mpg!

This series of 3 videoclips provides an in-depth look at what the MYT is, how it works, and why it's important. The "Los Angeles Auto-Show Presentation" features a 10-minute commentary on the technology by inventor Raphial Morgado, and provides details on the background of the engine and what makes it so unique. The "MYT Engine Description" clip is a 5-minute narrated animation providing a walk-through on the operation of the engine and how it compares to traditional interal combustion technology, and the "MYT Engine Testing" video shows both a closeup rotation of the cylinders in the Angel Labs prototype, as well as 2 minutes of test-videos shot with the MYT in dyno-testing on a 150-psi non-combustion airstream.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biodeisel; energy; engine; ethanol; oil; science; technology; zaq
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Here's a pdf interview with the inventor.
1 posted on 05/21/2006 3:35:18 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt


I'm all for it.


2 posted on 05/21/2006 3:36:31 PM PDT by Malsua
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ping for later read


3 posted on 05/21/2006 3:38:10 PM PDT by crghill
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To: ovrtaxt

People should treat these claims as scams until proven otherwise.


4 posted on 05/21/2006 3:38:27 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ovrtaxt
"By replacing an 800 pound V-8 engine with a 25 pound MYT and running it on biodiesel, we can achieve 150 miles per gallon in an otherwise conventional vehicle -- plus, you're going to have better take-off and stopping power by removing that 800 pound engine. That's what we can do. It is achievable." - Raphial Morgado

Then do it, and then get back to us.

5 posted on 05/21/2006 3:39:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Malsua

How much to put that engine in my 2000 GMC Sonoma and my 2006 Grand Caravan this NOW!


6 posted on 05/21/2006 3:40:00 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ovrtaxt
Imagine dumping the big V-8 in your SUV for a 25-pound, 2.4 liter engine that gives you 150 miles per gallon on biodiesel - with a boost in horsepower and torque to boot.

Imagine losing your nest egg in a scam.

7 posted on 05/21/2006 3:42:03 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ovrtaxt
Is this like the 200 mpg carburetor that can't be used because it explodes?
8 posted on 05/21/2006 3:42:05 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: ovrtaxt

AND THE ME DESIGN IS NOT A ROTARY OR WANKEL?


9 posted on 05/21/2006 3:42:45 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Moonman62

They are. They've received prizes from NASA, and Ford is working with them.


10 posted on 05/21/2006 3:42:54 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: SandRat

Ping


11 posted on 05/21/2006 3:43:02 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I invented "patty on patty technology.")
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To: street_lawyer

Nope- not a wankel. Check the interview- he expalins how the cylinders and combustion chambers work.


12 posted on 05/21/2006 3:43:56 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt

I wish him luck.


13 posted on 05/21/2006 3:44:41 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ovrtaxt

American Antigravity? Yep. I believe anything they say on THAT website.


14 posted on 05/21/2006 3:45:33 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: ovrtaxt
850 cubic inches of displacement, 32-pulses per cycle, and a 150 pound package measuring only 14" by 14" in diameter.

Man, talk about a win-win-win scenario...
I can throw one of these puppies in my Prius, reduce total weight by 200 pounds, increase mileage threefold and have 7-second quarter miles...

I may have to get two.
Are they all personally signed by the tooth fairy?

15 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: ovrtaxt

If true, and he patented it he will be one rich dude.


16 posted on 05/21/2006 3:46:51 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Moonman62
You don't trust this guy?


17 posted on 05/21/2006 3:47:08 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Joe Boucher

From what I understand, there is one pending- but they say they will sell licences to manufacurers, and only take royalties.

I think they genuinely are more interested in changing the world than getting rich. Sure, lots of people are too cynical to believe it, but there really are good people out there.


18 posted on 05/21/2006 3:49:32 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: mountainlyons
Is this like the 200 mpg carburetor that can't be used because it explodes?

Heh.

19 posted on 05/21/2006 3:49:45 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Sounds fantastic. Maybe too much so.
20 posted on 05/21/2006 3:49:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Malsua; Moonman62

"A little over a year ago, the mysterious "Kosol" appeared in the newsgroups with a grandiose plan for antigravity based on what he claims is information from spiritual beings. Many think it's a hoax, but his newsgroup is rapidly becoming an online cultural phenomenon, and rumors are beginning to circulate about European efforts to construct a device called, "The Kosol Sphere"...

http://www.americanantigravity.com/categories/Feature-Articles/


Hmmm....:)


21 posted on 05/21/2006 3:50:22 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Fresh Wind

Did you check it? Very much like an extreme Popular Mechanics.


22 posted on 05/21/2006 3:50:31 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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"The inspiration for the MYT Engine design came from the need to have an engine that can stand up to the tremendous abuse of drag racing."

As a younger man I had a passing interest in drag racing when their speeds for the 1/4 mile run was in the 200-225mph range. Since then that interest had disappeared.

Last night, on the radio, I heard two qualifers ran at speeds of 330+mph! Whaaaat??

Can someone tell me what's changed in the past 25 years? Thanks.

23 posted on 05/21/2006 3:50:53 PM PDT by rvoitier ("News is what's suppressed. Everything else is advertising.")
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To: ovrtaxt

I'll belive it when I see it.


24 posted on 05/21/2006 3:52:23 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: ovrtaxt
I watched the videos. I'm not sure what they're supposed to prove, except that if someone steps in front of a camera, you can't see anything.
25 posted on 05/21/2006 3:53:08 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: ovrtaxt
inventor Raphial Morgado

I'm immediately suspicious of a person whose title has to be defaulted to "inventor" because they don't have any other credentials.

26 posted on 05/21/2006 3:54:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: CAWats
Maybe I should sell my 200 mpg carbs before they become worthless?

Nah, then the secret would be out and Congress would pass some new laws of physics that would really screw things up.

27 posted on 05/21/2006 3:55:17 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: rvoitier

What changed? more F, less m --> greater a?


28 posted on 05/21/2006 3:57:17 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Matchett-PI
newsgroup is rapidly becoming an online cultural phenomenon

Art Bell was also a cultural phenomenon. He pretty much crashed and burned after the Y2K problem didn't cause world anarchy and economic collapse.

29 posted on 05/21/2006 3:57:45 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: ovrtaxt

Dang, that looks good!


31 posted on 05/21/2006 4:01:00 PM PDT by Chieftain (Cindy Sheehan is a shameful example of an American mother duped by Kerry's LIES!)
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To: ovrtaxt
I think they genuinely are more interested in changing the world than getting rich.

Rolls eyes.

Sure, lots of people are too cynical to believe it, but there really are good people out there.

There are also con artists and the gullible.

32 posted on 05/21/2006 4:01:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I am a gearhead for sure, but I hope we have a few comments from those that are really technically competent. Looks interesting, but I will wait to see it in a few dozen cars under constant use for a few weeks.


33 posted on 05/21/2006 4:05:15 PM PDT by devane617
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...a displacement of 850 cubic inches ...

Tell me that's a typo.

A TINY engine with a displacement of 850 CUBIC INCHES?!!!

34 posted on 05/21/2006 4:07:26 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I looked at the video clips. They leave a lot out. However, if you look at the very first few seconds of the "testing" video, there is a moving cutaway model.

That explains how they implemented the concepts in the
"how it works" clip.

It appears that the "pistons" are a series of "pucks" that are affixed to two separately rotating rings. The combustion chamber is donut-shaped and the pucks roate through the outside ring of the donut. The resulting power shaft goes through the "hole" of the donut. The inside part of the chamber is split in two. Half the pistons are attached at the front half and half are attached at the back. The two assemblies take turns accelerating as the pistons go around the combustion chamber.

It appears there is some mechanism to smoothe out the motion into a continuous rotation, it also likely regulates the movement of the two piston assemblies.

I was a little skeptical, but I have to admit that this engine might actually work. It may not deliver what he promises, but standard piston engines are woefully inefficient. The way this works appears to eliminate a lot of the wasted motion (and thus power).

Couple areas of concern - not sure how you would seal the combustion chamber when there are three pieces rotating against each other - I suppose it could be done with rings like pistons have.

Secondly, machining that donut combustion chamber looks complicated. Not undoable, just not something the average engine machine shop is going to be able to do easily.

Running biodiesel would likely be good for lubricating all the piston assemblies. I don't see any way to lubricate any of that without injecting oil into the combustion chamber.

Interesting. I sure wish the guy well. It certainly looks like there is some serious engineering involved in it.


35 posted on 05/21/2006 4:08:41 PM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: ovrtaxt

"If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is".


36 posted on 05/21/2006 4:09:05 PM PDT by Pox
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"Art Bell was also a cultural phenomenon. He pretty much crashed and burned after the Y2K problem didn't cause world anarchy and economic collapse."

Yeh, but with all the money he made that 60 + year-old managed to snag a 20-something filipino wife and move to the Philippines leaving other far-out tinfoil-hat kooks (like George Noury) to fill in for him.

37 posted on 05/21/2006 4:09:53 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: ovrtaxt
A 2.4 liter engine with 850 cubic inch displacement?

"Power-to-weight ratio of 40 to 1? (units? apples to oranges?)

Hmmmm.

Must be a math system based on different principles.

These things come along every once in a while. Let's see some dynamometer results then we decide.

38 posted on 05/21/2006 4:09:57 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: ovrtaxt

I recommend you sell your house, borrow as much as you can, and invest heavily.


39 posted on 05/21/2006 4:10:58 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: devane617
more video & drawings on their website
40 posted on 05/21/2006 4:11:24 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: uglybiker

The 850 c.i. likely comes from the fact that the combustion chamber is a big donut-shaped tube. There are two sets of four pistons and they move back and forth relative to each other (while they all rotate around the donut). The total effective displacement is probably something like 150-200% of the area of the "donut".

Its weird, but it looks like he may have something.


41 posted on 05/21/2006 4:11:30 PM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: uglybiker

I was thinking about that -- my '68 V8 Wildcat had a 430 CI engine and it was a MONSTER.


42 posted on 05/21/2006 4:13:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Governor of California, another job Americans won't do.)
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To: Publius6961
"Man, talk about a win-win-win scenario...
I can throw one of these puppies in my Prius, reduce total weight by 200 pounds, increase mileage threefold and have 7-second quarter miles..."

Yep! You'd be so light you could drive down the road, cut a fart, and blow yourself into low earth orbit.
43 posted on 05/21/2006 4:13:17 PM PDT by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")

Wouldn't it be -Wrinkled Dog Day?

44 posted on 05/21/2006 4:13:21 PM PDT by mountn man (Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I am always sceptical of these things, but I must admit, this thing is pretty ingenious. I know the Wankel looks good on paper, and it runs great, but its just not as efficient as ones common sense might think, it has a bunch of problems.


45 posted on 05/21/2006 4:16:24 PM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: rvoitier

The cars got a lot lighter and the engines got a lot more powerful. Top Fuel dumped carbs, uses fuel injection, and runs nitromethane now. Current horsepower estimates are in the 8000hp range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_fuel_dragster

The 350mph barrier in Top Fuel is guesstimated to fall by the end of this decade, with people touching 400mph.

That said, the rocket-car folks are looking at the 500mph barrier in the 1/4...


46 posted on 05/21/2006 4:17:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Moonman62

You're a kneejerk cynic. Why don't you look at the recognition this has gotten from places like NASA and the auto industry?

But nevermind, it's more fun to be a jerk and meet everything with a jaded eye.


47 posted on 05/21/2006 4:18:17 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: Spktyr

Er, with people touching 400mph in the next 15 years.


48 posted on 05/21/2006 4:18:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: uglybiker

Yup- 850 ci, dude.

It's calculated by displacement per revolution of the driveshaft. I think the cylinder fires like 16 times per rev.


49 posted on 05/21/2006 4:20:35 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt

There goes a new design for the history heap. If this is true, it will go the way of many designs that have preceded it.


50 posted on 05/21/2006 4:20:57 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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