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Mammoth Skeleton Found In Siberia
BBC ^ | 5-23-2006 | James Rodgers

Posted on 05/23/2006 1:17:52 PM PDT by blam

Mammoth skeleton found in Siberia

By James Rodgers
BBC News, Moscow

It is rare to find mammoth remains in such good condition

Fishermen in Siberia have discovered the complete skeleton of a mammoth - a find which Russian experts have described as very rare.

The remains appeared when flood waters receded in Russia's Krasnoyarsk region.

The mammoth's backbone, skull, teeth and tusks all survived intact. It appears to have died aged about 50.

Mammoths lived in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America between about 1.6 million years ago and 10,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene epoch.

Alexander Kerzhayev, deputy director of the museum in the small town of Novoselovo, says it is the most significant find he can remember.

"It happens very rarely," he told the BBC. "I've been in the area 14 years and this is the first time. The bones are usually spread around over a wide area."

Despite the undoubted significance of this latest find, there is some bad news.

Mr Kerzhayev says his museum has neither the equipment nor the money to dig out the mammoth. At the moment, his best option may be to remove only parts of the skeleton.

Mr Kerzhayev admits it would be a pity just to leave the mammoth where it is, on the shore of a reservoir, but he says: "No one seems to care."

Siberia has historically been a rich source of prehistoric remains.

Some experts are now suggesting that climate change is leading to discoveries which might otherwise have remained hidden in frozen ground.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: found; godsgravesglyphs; krasnoyarsk; mammoth; mammoths; siberia; skeleton

1 posted on 05/23/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I knew they'd sneak in global warming somewhere.........


2 posted on 05/23/2006 1:19:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: blam
Did you hear the one about the mammoth skeleton?

How big was it?

That's all I got

3 posted on 05/23/2006 1:20:07 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Amnesty for speeders! Driving the speed Americans won't go.)
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To: blam
"Mammoths lived in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America between about 1.6 million years ago and 10,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene epoch."

That cannot possibly be true since the Earth was created roughly 18 minutes before I woke up this morning.

4 posted on 05/23/2006 1:20:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: blam

Cool


5 posted on 05/23/2006 1:20:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: GreenAccord

What's the differenc between a MAMMOTH and a MASTODON?.........


6 posted on 05/23/2006 1:22:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Darkchylde

Mammoth skeleton found after flood waters recede ping.


7 posted on 05/23/2006 1:26:22 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: blam

Hey, what ever happened to the real one they found frozen in the mud? The one with fur, flesh and all?


8 posted on 05/23/2006 1:29:29 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Red Badger
I knew they'd sneak in global warming somewhere.........

It's as predictable as a Helen Thomas reference on any dinosaur thread. [tee-hee]

9 posted on 05/23/2006 1:30:08 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: blam
"Mammoths lived in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America between about 1.6 million years ago and 10,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene epoch."

That cannot possibly be true since the Earth was created roughly 18 minutes before I woke up this morning.

10 posted on 05/23/2006 1:30:22 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Lekker 1

AAACCCCHHHHHHHH! Now you've done it! Someone is gonna post her pic!...........


11 posted on 05/23/2006 1:31:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Red Badger

Two entirely different critters.


12 posted on 05/23/2006 1:31:43 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: blam
Some experts are now suggesting....

Funny how they're never named. They're just some experts.

13 posted on 05/23/2006 1:32:04 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: blam

I didn't know that Michael Moore died in Siberia.


14 posted on 05/23/2006 1:32:16 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Junior

No, they're not different. They're both dead.............


15 posted on 05/23/2006 1:33:35 PM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Red Badger
AAACCCCHHHHHHHH! Now you've done it! Someone is gonna post her pic!...........

Muussst.....resist....uuurge

16 posted on 05/23/2006 1:33:38 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: blam

Chicago records indicate that someone using the mammoth's name and address voted for Kerry in 2004. Mayor Daley is reported to be "investigating."


17 posted on 05/23/2006 1:34:21 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Puppage
I'll take that as a request


18 posted on 05/23/2006 1:34:26 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Mammoths lived in Africa, Europe, Asia and North America between about 1.6 million years ago and 10,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene epoch."

Yeah...but those are in DOG YEARS.

19 posted on 05/23/2006 1:36:26 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: Lekker 1

Bless your little heart!


20 posted on 05/23/2006 1:37:06 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Badger
***What's the difference between a MAMMOTH and a MASTODON?.........***


21 posted on 05/23/2006 1:39:12 PM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Red Badger


<< No, they're not different. They're both dead............. >>




....Jim.


22 posted on 05/23/2006 1:39:35 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: Red Badger
Mastodon

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Mammoth

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23 posted on 05/23/2006 1:40:49 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: blam
The mammoth's backbone, skull, teeth and tusks all survived intact.

Any frozen flesh? Anything they can recover DNA from? I demand a cloned mammoth in my lifetime!
24 posted on 05/23/2006 1:46:50 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Red Badger
In death not all critters are equal:

Mammoth
Mastodon

25 posted on 05/23/2006 1:50:27 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Red Badger

"I knew they'd sneak in global warming somewhere........."

What was it they told me in high school English Composition class?
Make sure your final sentence (paragraph) sums up the real point of your composition.

Seeing how this was from the BBC, that last sentence is no suprise...or accident.


26 posted on 05/23/2006 1:50:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: blam
It sounds from the article like these are bones not fossils. I guess I wonder why no fossilization occurred (if it didn't), as these seem like the perfect conditions for it.

ML/NJ

27 posted on 05/23/2006 1:51:39 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: A.Hun

What made the Hottentot so hot?
And what makes the mammoth guard his tusks,
in the misty mists and dusky dusk?

"Courage" woof!


28 posted on 05/23/2006 1:59:00 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: A.Hun

Mastadons arer Mammoths living in Miami.


29 posted on 05/23/2006 2:03:45 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Red Badger
Mammoths have a double curve in their tusks. Mastodons have single curved tusks. Mammoths were also bigger

The mastodons belong to the genus Mastodon, family Mastodontidae; the American mastodon is Mastodon americanus. Mammoths belong to the genus Mammuthus, family Elephantoidea.

Here's another difference

What was the difference between a mastodon and a mammoth? Mammoths had teeth with hard ridges for grinding dry vegetation and grazed in open grasslands. Some reached sixteen feet in height and had enormous curved tusks. Mastodons had blunt coned teeth and probably were browsers on softer plants, such as herbs and leaves. They were found mostly in forested and brushy areas.

30 posted on 05/23/2006 2:15:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Red Badger
What's the differenc between a MAMMOTH and a MASTODON?.........

About $400 a week. Oh wait, that's the difference between a nanny and an au pair.

31 posted on 05/23/2006 3:04:27 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: blam

clone it


32 posted on 05/23/2006 3:26:19 PM PDT by avile
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To: blam
Urban legend time?

As a kid I remember seeing a Ripley's Believe it or Not panel to the general effect that the Adventurer's or the Explorer's Club [not certain which] had actually served Mammoth meat that had been recovered in edible if not pristine condition from permafrost and transported to NY for a banquet. Truth or urban legend? [Non-hint: I don't know.]

If that report is true, had rare can it be to find bones that have not been scattered?

33 posted on 05/23/2006 4:45:28 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: PeteB570
Hey, what ever happened to the real one they found frozen in the mud? The one with fur, flesh and all?

It was delicious.

34 posted on 05/23/2006 4:47:37 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: R W Reactionairy
"As a kid I remember seeing a Ripley's Believe it or Not panel to the general effect that the Adventurer's or the Explorer's Club [not certain which] had actually served Mammoth meat that had been recovered in edible if not pristine condition from permafrost and transported to NY for a banquet. Truth or urban legend? [Non-hint: I don't know.]"

I heard/read a similar tale. Except it was an English archaeologist/explorer who served the mammoth meat to his peers as he revealed the discovery.

Don't know if it's true or not.

35 posted on 05/23/2006 5:01:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: R W Reactionairy
A number of references to the stories of eating mammoth meat here.
36 posted on 05/23/2006 5:07:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks. In the words of the caveman on the insurance commercial: "I'll have the duck with the mango salsa." :-)
37 posted on 05/23/2006 5:11:13 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: R W Reactionairy
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn mentions finds of frozen ancient animals that the Soviet press reported as being eaten by locals. He said that all former prisoners understood instantly upon reading these accounts that the "locals" who ate this ancient flesh were actually Zeks, starving prisoners in the gulag.
38 posted on 05/23/2006 8:54:12 PM PDT by jordan8
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39 posted on 06/16/2007 1:41:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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