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Death Penalty For Repeat Sex Offenders Passes Oklahoma Senate
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Posted on 05/25/2006 10:56:41 AM PDT by acad1228

A bill to allow the death penalty to be assessed against a person who commits a second sex offense against a child under 14 years old passes the state Senate.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: childabuse; deathpenalty; justice; repeatoffenders; sexoffenders
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1 posted on 05/25/2006 10:56:43 AM PDT by acad1228
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To: acad1228

Wow, that's great! I'm moving to Oklahoma!


2 posted on 05/25/2006 10:58:04 AM PDT by crghill
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To: acad1228

Its about time the legislatures started passing this type of law. Too bad SCOTUS will strike it down in due time.


3 posted on 05/25/2006 10:58:52 AM PDT by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: crghill

OK, but I think you should have all the sex offenders move there as well...


4 posted on 05/25/2006 10:58:56 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. 17,400+ snide replies and counting!)
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To: acad1228

Oklahoma has it's head attached straight.


5 posted on 05/25/2006 10:59:54 AM PDT by piceapungens
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To: theDentist

Ah.... Yeah, Thank you, no. We have more than our share, hence this legislation.


6 posted on 05/25/2006 11:00:45 AM PDT by acad1228 (Faithful servant of the Dark Lord Xenu!)
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To: acad1228

I want the "and-your-gonna-get-beat-senseless-and-we-hang-you-from-a-light-pole-and-let-the-crows-pick-your-eyes-out" amendment.


7 posted on 05/25/2006 11:01:51 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: acad1228

This is great. I hope this type of legislation gets passed in all 50 states.

I've said it before. These sex offenders are broken beyond our ability to fix them. They need to be sent back to their Maker for repair.


8 posted on 05/25/2006 11:04:59 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: ibheath
Its about time the legislatures started passing this type of law. Too bad SCOTUS will strike it down in due time.

I doubt the SCOTUS will strike it down. There are several crimes in state and federal codes that allow the death penalty (i.e. rape and kidnapping). The SCOTUS is more interested in how the rights of the accused are handled. In my opinion, it will be more likely that we would see a case where the SCOTUS strikes down a specific class of defendants (like juveniles or the mentally retarded) that to strike a specific set of crimes. If the SCOTUS killed the death penalty for sex crimes, how far would it be to strike it down for treason? The Constitution does not explicitly say which crimes can be punished with death, and I think that with our new justices, it will be interpreted that way. State Supreme Courts are another matter.

9 posted on 05/25/2006 11:06:02 AM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: acad1228
A bill to allow the death penalty to be assessed against a person who commits a second sex offense against a child under 14 years old passes the state Senate.

I agree that anyone who repeats such an offense deserves the death penalty. (For that matter, anyone who commits the first offense deserves it.)

However, I would worry that this law might give the sex offender an incentive to kill his victim. If he is subject to the death penalty anyway, it would be tempting to get rid of the witness.

10 posted on 05/25/2006 11:07:48 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: ibheath
Its about time the legislatures started passing this type of law. Too bad SCOTUS will strike it down in due time.

Of course it will be struck down, and based on very clear SCOTUS precedent as well. So you have to ask yourself, what's the point? Just politicians pandering, as usual.

12 posted on 05/25/2006 11:08:25 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: acad1228

The only thing wrong with this is they have to wait for a second child's life to be damaged b/f cleaning up the gene pool.


13 posted on 05/25/2006 11:08:57 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (I'm not being defensive. You're the one being defensive.)
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To: King of Florida

What precedent?


14 posted on 05/25/2006 11:09:50 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: acad1228

This should apply to any rapist, but it's moot. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that you cannot execute for rape, punishment exceeds the crime as I recall.


15 posted on 05/25/2006 11:10:34 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: acad1228

A step in the right direction. Hoepfully they also have automatic death penalty for child killers.


16 posted on 05/25/2006 11:11:14 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: acad1228

Uh..oh! The Gay ...er...NAMBLA lobbyists are going to get their panties in a wad over this.


17 posted on 05/25/2006 11:12:17 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: Durus

Excessive punishment or something like that. Regardless, this is a good law and should be expanded to armed robbery, IMHO.


18 posted on 05/25/2006 11:12:28 AM PDT by BJClinton (Forget the fence, annex Mexico.)
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To: acad1228

So someone that touches a 13yo twice, gets the same punishment as someone that rapes a 13yo twice?


19 posted on 05/25/2006 11:14:06 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: burzum
I doubt the SCOTUS will strike it down.

It's not a question of striking it down so much as it is a question of overruling their previous decision in Coker v. Georgia, which basically struck down the death penalty for anything other than murder. It doesn't look like there are five votes on the Court to do that.

20 posted on 05/25/2006 11:15:48 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: acad1228; 2witty; A Jovial Cad; AmerRepb; amigatec; Amityschild; Angry_White_Man_Syndrome; ...
Oklahoma Ping!

If you want on
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21 posted on 05/25/2006 11:16:26 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Life's about changing, nothing ever stays the same)
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To: BJClinton
Excessive punishment or something like that. Regardless, this is a good law and should be expanded to armed robbery, IMHO.

And driving in the left lane under the speed limit.

22 posted on 05/25/2006 11:17:34 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: acad1228
As satisfying as this would be,it's a bad,bad idea...for one,and only one,reason:

Any perp covered by this law would have a *very* strong incentive to kill his second victim.

Also,I'll wager that the SCOTUS would strike it down as "unusual",meaning that the punishment is not in proportion to the nature of the crime,as is the case with executing a murderer.

23 posted on 05/25/2006 11:17:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: acad1228

This directly goes against existing Supreme Court precedent, which makes it exceedingly unlikely to withstanding judicial review. A waste of tax payers' money imho.


24 posted on 05/25/2006 11:17:49 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Durus
What precedent?

See #20.

25 posted on 05/25/2006 11:18:39 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: acad1228

Sex crimes in Oklahoma plummet.

Sex crimes in other states go up a little.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 11:18:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Botulism: Doing the same thing over and over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.)
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To: acad1228

Even priests????

What will the Catholic Church say???

How about the Amish?

I wonder if religious figures won't get a break..

and I wonder about an 18yr old guy dating a young girl..them too?

Lets see how this plays out. I doubt they will pass the bill. No matter how much we want them too.

This is a country that allows illegals to do whatever they want, taxes the poor and pardons the rich, and cannot protect its own border.
I doubt the government will help us with this problem either.


27 posted on 05/25/2006 11:20:02 AM PDT by my_jai_05
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To: acad1228

Good start.

Now it should be changed to make it a mandatory sentence for anyone who commits the crime AT ALL.

Then we need to move it into the realm of rape. But with a rider that makes the alleged victim subject to the same penalties if what she testified to is proven to be false.


28 posted on 05/25/2006 11:20:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: stuartcr
So someone that touches a 13yo twice, gets the same punishment as someone that rapes a 13yo twice?

Okay, We'll kill the molester.
Then we'll kill the rapist.... A Lot!!!!

29 posted on 05/25/2006 11:21:12 AM PDT by acad1228 (Faithful servant of the Dark Lord Xenu!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Sex crimes in Oklahoma plummet.

You really think child rapists go out and rape children because they're not afraid of spending their life in a maximum security prison? Do you have any idea what happens to child rapists in maximum security prisons? Sorry, I think the idea that this will have any deterrant effect to be kind of far fetched. It seems like lame political grandstanding. It's also going to cost Oklahoma a lot of money in legal fees, as it violates clear Supreme Court precedent.

30 posted on 05/25/2006 11:23:14 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: acad1228
"A bill to allow the death penalty to be assessed against a person who commits a second sex offense against a child under 14 years old passes the state Senate."

The death penalty? Well, thank heavens that a child under 14 would never lie about something like that, or is capable of being manipulated to lie.

31 posted on 05/25/2006 11:24:12 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Well, thank heavens that a child under 14 would never lie about something like that, or is capable of being manipulated to lie.

How many fathers in child-custody cases will be sitting on death row in Oklahoma?

32 posted on 05/25/2006 11:27:30 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: acad1228

If this becomes law, a father can get the death penalty for hugging his little 2 year-old daughter if the local CSD catches him at it.


33 posted on 05/25/2006 11:28:13 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: stuartcr
From another article:

"The new proposal outlines specific crimes that on a second offense against a child under 14 could subject a person to life in prison or the death penalty. They are anal or oral sodomy, rape, rape by instrumentation and lewd molestation."

The touching would have to be considered "lewd molestation".

34 posted on 05/25/2006 11:28:31 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Personally, and I say this as a 100% pro-life person (anti-abortion, andi-death penalty), how will Capital Punishment for sex offenders curb any crime at all?

All it will do, IMHO, is give sex offenders a reason to actually kill those whom they commit the offense against, in order to try and limit their chances of being caught. Cause heck, if they're going to hang anyways, might as well try to not get caught.

The SCOTUS in Coker v. Georgia said as much. A rapist who does not take the life of his victim should not receive a more severe sentence than a deliberate killer. Want to lock the scum away in prison for the rest of his life? Fine by me.

Go ahead and flame away, I've already heard it all.

35 posted on 05/25/2006 11:28:46 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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So someone that molests lewdly, should get the same punishment, as someone that rapes? I doubt then, that anyone would stop at just molesting.


36 posted on 05/25/2006 11:30:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: King of Florida
And driving in the left lane under the speed limit.

Well, that's why I support HR 1035 which would allow public ownership of roof mounted rocket launchers for clearing those kinds of drivers off the road.
37 posted on 05/25/2006 11:34:03 AM PDT by BJClinton (Forget the fence, annex Mexico.)
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To: sinkspur

You got it. If this passes, I predict a sharp drop in the number of new, privately run, day-care centers in Oklahoma.


38 posted on 05/25/2006 11:34:14 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: acad1228
On the face of it I like the idea. However, and its a big however, what about the 15 year old sleeping with the 14 year old; what about the 15 and 16 year olds who put a hole in the locker room and see 12 - 15 year olds; what about the exhibitionist who exhibits him/her self to teenagers but does not touch them, etc.

I agree wholeheartedly and completely we, as a society, need to kill the people who prey on children. I also think that not all sexual offenses are equal.
39 posted on 05/25/2006 11:34:26 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Alter Kaker

While I do see the logic in part of your arguement, let's be honest here. Child rapists don't get life in prison. They wind up back on the streets and repeat offend. When they do, I'd like to see them terminated.


40 posted on 05/25/2006 11:34:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Botulism: Doing the same thing over and over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; acad1228
Any perp covered by this law would have a *very* strong incentive to kill his second victim.

So we add a law for that contingency: death by boiling in oil.

41 posted on 05/25/2006 11:35:09 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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"how will Capital Punishment for sex offenders curb any crime at all?"

I dont care if it does. If someone rapes and kills your son, I'd rather not pay their living expenses.

What punishment would be acceptable for such an act? Remember this is your child, not someone elses.


42 posted on 05/25/2006 11:35:32 AM PDT by jbstrick ( I've never been to heaven, but I've been to Oklahoma)
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To: DoughtyOne
Child rapists don't get life in prison. They wind up back on the streets and repeat offend.

Well, that seems like the real problem, and it seems like a better use of the legislature's time. Give them life without parole.

43 posted on 05/25/2006 11:37:08 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: ibheath
Too bad SCOTUS will strike it down in due time.

How exactly will SCOTUS do that? Death for repeat sex offenders is not cruel and unusual.

44 posted on 05/25/2006 11:38:25 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Age of Reason
So we add a law for that contingency: death by boiling in oil.

C'mon,be serious.Yes,this law would be very satisfying on many levels.I,personally,would like to see more types of crime subject to the death penalty.

But,IIRC,rape (for example) was once a death penalty offense in at least a few states.But those laws were changed for the reason that I mentioned.

45 posted on 05/25/2006 11:40:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: jbstrick

Honestly? I'd wish for him to suffer in solitary confinement with no contact with another human being for the rest of his life.


46 posted on 05/25/2006 11:40:37 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: BJClinton
Well, that's why I support HR 1035 which would allow public ownership of roof mounted rocket launchers for clearing those kinds of drivers off the road.

I'm phoning my rep in Congress right now . . . .

47 posted on 05/25/2006 11:42:26 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: Alter Kaker

A life sentence doesn't seem to stand for much these days. All you need is for some liberal leftist whack-job group to focus on some nut-job, and before you know it Mike Farrel and other bleading hearts will be holding candle-light vigils and recounting the wonderful aspects of the prisoner's personna.

I agree that there are arguements both ways. Thanks for the comments.


48 posted on 05/25/2006 11:44:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Botulism: Doing the same thing over and over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.)
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To: crghill

YAY !!


49 posted on 05/25/2006 11:44:54 AM PDT by stompk
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To: Centurion2000

Read Post #20


50 posted on 05/25/2006 11:45:54 AM PDT by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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