Posted on 05/26/2006 5:55:34 AM PDT by Simi Valley Tom
I do not have a God, I believe only in one God, for all things, creator of all things.
How is it, that you can speak for what you believe is my god? I thought you had said earlier, that there was no way of proving any of this? You speak, as if you are certain of these things which are un-provable.
It's odd, but I feel that you do not read what I say either.
To all I have been talking with..time to leave for now, thank you all, and I'm sure we will have similar conversations in the future. I may get back to FR this weekend, I may not...it's up to God.
Have a pleasant holiday weekend.
I did not say I was unable to prove it. Just not to someone who is whose master is not THE Master - one whose master is man and his own version(s) of a god. When one knows the one True God, then it becomes obvious when others are following/trusting in something else. Only God Himself can reveal Himself and it will be absolute proof to your soul that He is the God of the bible. Absolute proof.
And, if you need proof, just read some of the comments following this very good/accurate article!
You're being ridiculed for posting this, and the article attacked...
..I say....Thank-you for posting this.
If your name is Stuart, and someone on the street calls out "Bob!", are you going to turn around? Probably not. In the same way, we may think we're praying to God, and calling on his name, but maybe we're not. Yes, there may be one God, but that doesn't mean that we're praying to the correct one. "God" has different names, after all -- God, Allah, Adonai, Jah, etc. In my opinion, it's not just different names -- it's different gods. And perhaps one of them is the correct one.
If one God demands murder of the infidels, and another God demands turning the other cheek, are we still praying to the same God? Is it the same god with two different names? Or two different gods?
I think that's a bit too glib. In the Bible, Jesus is tempted by Satan with the power to control of Earth's kingdoms. Judas is also thought to have wanted Christ to take a more direct, controlling role in the affairs of humanity-- you might say Judas was the first totalitarian leftist.
It does not follow that because God can do anything that's possible, God has or will do everything that's possible. The belief that we have limited knowedge as to how God will exercise His power is entirely consistent with belief in God as all-powerful.
The problem with the Da Vinci Code is not what it does to Him, but to us. One might argue that the ideas in it are not so sophisticated. Well, gnosticism has lasted for centuries--- it manifestly has a great and enduring appeal. The fact that gnosticism is made kinder and gentler than the real/original thing in the Da Vinci Code serves to make even more attractive, just as the movie is made more palatable if, as I've heard, it is kinder and gentler than the book.
What's the problem with that? If you're a conservative and understand gnosticism, you have a problem with it. Unlike Christianity and Judaism, it violates what we call conservatism and Thomas Sowell calls the constrained vision by assuming that some few individuals are given a truth inaccessible to the masses, who are merely deluded. The Jacobins, Lenin's Vanguard and the Khmer Rouge all believed they possessed knowledge of such truth with tragic results. Ideas have consequences, sometimes large, sometimes small--- so it's best to challenge bad ideas before you find out the size of its consequence too late.
Absolutely. I have been a member of Protestant churches on both coasts for about 50 years, and I assure you we pass around the collection plate. However, having said that, even when in leadership, when we lost someone, the conversation never went to what they had been giving. The concern was always for their spiritual welfare.
Only if you question a known fact. Let's kick the can further down the road..let's question all facts. Even the so called "facts" in this movie and the so called facts produced by "intellectuals" and those who would bring down all religions with reproduced facts. Let's question if in fact a world without religion at all will be a better one.
Things are not looking good for the non-religious religion. Just look at france.
When one thinks that Muslim money has financed this abomination - it is especially shocking to see people and especially Christians flocking like sheeple to see this trash.
God help them.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9071-2063399,00.html
"Until someone asks what it means to believe."
Even Satan "believes" in Jesus Christ.
Satan KNOWS whom Jesus IS and what He has accomplished through His Cross (now my Cross, thanks be to God). To say Satan 'believes' in Jesus Christ is obtuse. Care to explain just what it is Satan 'believes'? Satan certainly isn't saved through Jesus Christ because the father of lies a murderer from the start has no broken and contrite spirit ... as his continuing evil in this world prove to those with eyes to see.
"To say Satan 'believes' in Jesus Christ is obtuse.'
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Agreed - and that was my point to the post that said Christianity is just John 3:16 - the rest is just extra (or something to that effect). I think many people say they "believe" in Jesus in just such an obtuse manner.
Even Satan knows (believes) that Jesus exists. But he sure doesn't take Him as his Lord and Saviour and all that that entails.
And some of the stuff in the movie/book could be debatable to how it would change my beliefs IF true.
Jesus as married? Maybe not such a big deal.
Jesus as just a guy? Big Deal.
Jesus not resurrected? Big Deal.
And I don't take the book/movie as an attack on Christianity. I ee it used as a tool against those weak in their Biblical knowledge and history that could undermine their faith.
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