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Immigration divides Allen, Warner
RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH ^ | May 26, 2006 | PETER HARDIN

Posted on 05/27/2006 7:07:22 PM PDT by skandalon

The split between Virginia's two Republicans on the Senate immigration reform bill yesterday mirrored divisions across the nation.

Sen. George Allen, the more conservative of Virginia's senators, voted against the bill, while Sen. John W. Warner, a senior and more moderate Republican, voted "yea."

Allen, who is weighing a White House bid in 2008, said the bill fails to secure the nation's borders.

The bill would provide a path for millions of illegal immigrants to become citizens. He blasted it as offering amnesty and a reward for illegal behavior.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesdispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; cira; georgeallen; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; joanndavis; johnwarner; senate; virgilgoode; virginia
Senator Warner is usually good on defense issues for the country, but not this time. I think he has been a senator for too long. Jo Ann Davis, mentioned later in the article, is one of the best representatives one could ask for.
1 posted on 05/27/2006 7:07:28 PM PDT by skandalon
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To: skandalon
The split between Virginia's two Republicans on the Senate immigration reform bill yesterday mirrored divisions across the nation.

There is no split among Americans.

2 posted on 05/27/2006 7:09:15 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

"The split between Virginia's two Republicans on the Senate immigration reform bill yesterday mirrored divisions across the nation.
There is no split among Americans."



Does anyone really believe that most of the constituents Warner heard from were in favor of the Senate sellout?


3 posted on 05/27/2006 7:21:36 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

He and his staffers have heard from me that we are going to actively work against him for putting law breakers from other Nations before the welfare of tax payers and Va voters.

They also heard that I have educated my voting grandchildren that they must be careful not to vote for any candidate who will not put first the concerns of American citizens.


4 posted on 05/27/2006 7:27:08 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Principled
Dems love Warner so much they don't run candidates against him; that's your basic definition of a one-party system.

Allen on the other hand is our best shot in 08.

5 posted on 05/27/2006 7:32:15 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: skandalon
while Sen. John W. Warner, a senior and more moderate Republican, voted "yea."

Why are the democrats always characterized as moderate?

6 posted on 05/27/2006 7:34:23 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: skandalon
Warner has always been a liberal, just he hides it behind the defense department. I thought he had been up there to long the last time he run. I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.
7 posted on 05/27/2006 7:35:33 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Spirited
"He and his staffers have heard from me that we are going to actively work against him for putting law breakers from other Nations before the welfare of tax payers and Va voters.

They also heard that I have educated my voting grandchildren that they must be careful not to vote for any candidate who will not put first the concerns of American citizens."

I think you are not alone...and that's my point. Kay Baily Hutchinson was on TV saying she heard from 1575 constituents who were against the Senate sellout and 12 who were for it. I can't believe McCain's messages from his constituents were much different, yet he talks like he's doing the will of the people.
I've tried but I still just don't get it. Are these Senators really just corrupt liars?
8 posted on 05/27/2006 7:36:53 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: skandalon
Warner is a pansy-assed sell-out. I sent him a blistering email when he first spinelessly voted for illegals and all I got was two pages of meaningless blathering.

Warner, MTORUN!

9 posted on 05/27/2006 7:40:19 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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Press Releases


Allen Stands Against Rewarding Illegal Behavior

Says Nation Needs to Secure Its Borders, Not Extend Amnesty to Law Breakers


May 25, 2006 - Senator Allen participates in a press conference with a group of Senators who will vote against the Senate Immigration Reform Bill. Speaking about the bill Senator Allen said, "we are a nation of immigrants, and a nation of laws. Both ideals can be achieved in a compassionate, appropriate and effective way, but this bill falls well short of that goal.

May 25, 2006


WASHINGTON, DC U.S. Senator George Allen (R-VA) today voted against the massive and convoluted Immigration Reform bill that extends amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. In casting his “no” vote on the complex and complicated three-tiered scheme to reward those who have come into this country illegally, Senator Allen stated that “we are a nation of immigrants, and a nation of laws. Both ideals can be achieved in a compassionate, appropriate and effective way, but this bill falls well short of that goal.”
 
For many months, Senator Allen has talked with not only Virginians, but many Americans about their concerns over the massive influx of illegal immigrants into our country who have flaunted the nation’s laws. Like many citizens, Senator Allen believes that the federal government has failed in its primary responsibility to secure its borders saying, “A nation that cannot control its own borders, cannot control its own destiny.”
 
Throughout debate on the bill, Senator Allen has made it clear that his top priority was to secure the borders through more enforcement, border patrol personnel, detention centers capacity, as well as actual and virtual fences.  He voted and supported various amendments to enhance border security, make sure that felons and criminals are not given citizenship, protect the integrity of Social Security, establish English as the official language of the United States, and other reasonable changes to the legislation.  However, in the end, Senator Allen made it clear that the measure voted on today fell short of and violated his principles.
 
“This is a country that has been settled, built and improved by immigrants and it will continue to be. My mother is an immigrant, so I appreciate the value of immigrants to our country. However, the reality is that this bill that we voted on today did not meet my two foundational principles: First, I believe the American people deserve borders that are secure. If we don’t secure the border, none of the reforms included in this bill will have any meaningful impact whatsoever. We need to stop the flow of illegals across our border and get it down to a trickle. Second, we should not reward illegal behavior. If the U.S. government rewards illegal behavior with amnesty, we’ll get more illegal behavior,” Senator Allen stated during a news conference this morning.
 
Among the amendments that Senator Allen supported during this debate:
 
·      Increasing the mileage of permanent fencing and barriers;
·      Prohibiting felons and those convicted of 3 misdemeanors and illegal immigrants who overstay deportation orders from gaining legal citizenship;
· Protecting American workers by requiring the Department of Labor to attest that no American is able to take a job before a “guest worker” is eligible for a green card;
·      Establishing English as national language of the United States;
· Improving integrity of Social Security by ensuring that illegal immigrants don’t receive Social Security benefits for work done while they were illegal;
· Codifying President Bush’s call for National Guardsmen to backup Border Patrol surveillance and operations;
 
“This bill is amnesty. There is no doubt about it. The best source I point to is Ed Meese who was Attorney General during the Reagan Administration the last time such a bill was passed. He said about this bill, ‘we called it amnesty twenty years ago. This is amnesty now. At least we were honest about what we called it twenty years ago,’” said Senator Allen.
 
Senator Allen remains hopeful and optimistic that the Congress can eventually devise a true, immigration reform bill that “respects the rule of law and makes sure that we have a government that reflects the values and views of those people I talk to out there in the real world who desire meaningful immigration reform that secures our borders, does not reward illegal behavior and allows those who want to come to this country legally to make a better life for themselves and their family to do so as my mother did after World War II.”

Source

10 posted on 05/27/2006 7:44:07 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: skandalon

As a proud Virginian, I will have a hard time voting for Warner again. It is time that he retires.


11 posted on 05/27/2006 7:45:32 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Redleg Duke

I didn't realize it but Warner has been Senator since 1979. Is there any good conservative who can replace his worthless hide next cycle?


12 posted on 05/27/2006 7:49:58 PM PDT by skandalon (The death of the spirit is the price of progress.)
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To: skandalon
I think he has been a senator for too long.

But, but, he looks so much like a U.S. Senator should look. White to gray hair, face etched in distinguished wrinkles, the works. And, most importantly, he votes as the Inside-the-Beltway crowd expects.

For goodness sakes man, Virginia is so lucky to have John Warner as one of its senators. Surely, you must know this.

13 posted on 05/27/2006 7:53:24 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: skandalon; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
Support George Allen

George Allen Ping!

14 posted on 05/27/2006 7:53:46 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Redleg Duke

Re your post 9, I noted that you got back from Warner's office was meaningless blathering. When I lived in Virginia, I would sometimes write to that clown and was bewildered by what I got back. I was impossible, I mean impossible to determine what Warner stood from, based on responses to constituents' letter. Gobblygook, pure and simple.


15 posted on 05/27/2006 7:57:20 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Spirited

threats against Warner don't work .. I doubt he'll be running again, and he really is so arrogant, he thinks he will win as long as he chooses to run.

The one and only time I ever called any Senator for any reason was after Warner turned his vote from a 'yea' to a 'nay' on Bork. Omg, that poor phone-answerer! Have never voted for him since. Every 6 years I gleefully write in "Robert Bork."

Also, VA Republicans should recall Warner's recruiting Marshall Coleman in '94 to split the vote against the party's nominee, Ollie North, so Chuck Robb could serve another 6 years. That move killed Coleman's political career; Ollie seems to have survived just fine.

Warner is far more interested in being invited to the "right" parties than he is serving the people (especially Republican people) of Virginia. Thank GOD for George Allen !!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 05/27/2006 7:57:26 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: skandalon

"Senator Warner is usually good on defense issues for the country, but not this time. I think he has been a senator for too long."

The old fart is getting close to 80 isn't he?


17 posted on 05/27/2006 8:12:41 PM PDT by no dems ("A billion here a billion there; before you know it, you've spent a lot of money" Ev Dirksen)
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To: skandalon
"I didn't realize it but Warner has been Senator since 1979. Is there any good conservative who can replace his worthless hide next cycle?"

The liberal democrats cross over in the primary election to vote for Warner, thus ensuring his re-election to the senate.

19 posted on 05/27/2006 8:29:42 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Ligeia

I like Allen, but he needs to drop the down-home schtick and stop the chewing tobacco. That stuff will decimate your face.


20 posted on 05/27/2006 8:35:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: EverOnward

John Warner is Virginia's Arlen Spectre


21 posted on 05/27/2006 8:35:36 PM PDT by Bulldog1967 (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Prokopton
"Are these Senators really just corrupt liars?"

Yes

22 posted on 05/27/2006 8:38:06 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I like Allen, but he needs to drop the down-home schtick and stop the chewing tobacco.

Virginians have responded positively to Gov. and Sen. Allen's folksy style thus far. A war-time President Allen today must to fill the gravitas shoes and stare down maniacs with nuclear weapons. Not sure 'folksy' will cut it on the world stage myself.

23 posted on 05/27/2006 8:46:56 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: OldPossum

Warner responded to my letters were mostly blather. I called and asked his staffer to ask him NOT to use the words "undocumented worker" in such responses..


24 posted on 05/27/2006 9:42:11 PM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: EverOnward

Maybye republicans should return the favor and interfere with the democrat primary this time around. I have no doubt allen would beat either candidate, but itd be nice to stick it to dems after they interfered with republican primaries from time to time.


25 posted on 05/27/2006 9:56:16 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: skandalon

I already sent Warner a letter that I won't support his reelection and will actively work against him should he decide to run again. I called his vote reprehensible.


26 posted on 05/27/2006 10:05:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: OldPossum
When I lived in Virginia, I would sometimes write to that clown and was bewildered by what I got back.

That has been my experience too. Even when I write criticizing his stance, I receive a letter thanking me for my support!
27 posted on 05/28/2006 2:49:28 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Principled
There is no split among Americans.

You are right. This issue unites Conservatives and Liberals. Even the craziest Liberals I know get enraged when the topic of Amnesty comes up.

28 posted on 05/28/2006 2:55:54 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism in a parasite that ALWAYS kills its host.)
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To: EverOnward; skandalon; Ligeia; iceskater; P8riot; Coop
The liberal democrats cross over in the primary election to vote for Warner, thus ensuring his re-election to the senate.

Not really. I don't remember John Warner in a primary/convention battle since the first round in 1978 when he lost to Dick Obenshain. Obenshain died in a plane crash that summer and the party gave the nomination to Warner.

Warner has also only had one serious challenge in the general election, back when Mark Warner challenged him in 1996.

29 posted on 05/28/2006 4:39:43 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I don't remember John Warner in a primary/convention battle since the first round in 1978 when he lost to Dick Obenshain.

Didn't former Reagan OMB Director Jim Miller challenge Warner after he foiled both Oliver North's and Mike Farris' campaigns? I seem to remember working on Jim Miller's campaign but it's a little foggy.

30 posted on 05/28/2006 5:39:33 AM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Echo Talon

Senator John Warner is a Republican. Mark Warner, governor, is a Democrat.


31 posted on 05/28/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Ligeia

Yes, you're correct. Miller lost the convention to North in 1994 and then challenged Warner in 1996.


32 posted on 05/28/2006 2:09:28 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Freee-dame
yes, but if a republican votes along with the democrats they are labeled as "moderate"
33 posted on 05/28/2006 4:24:57 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: skandalon

Warner doesn't want to alienate his MS-13 constituency.


34 posted on 05/28/2006 4:35:14 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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