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Analysis: Bush Lands in Same Hole As Dad
CBS/KFMB ^ | MAY 28, 2006 | Tom Raum

Posted on 05/28/2006 1:37:09 PM PDT by ncountylee

Through his presidency, George W. Bush has worked hard to avoid repeating the mistakes of his father. He has done almost everything differently, yet now finds himself in the same hole despite trumping his dad by winning a second term.

He is roughly at the same place in the polls where the elder Bush was at the low point of his presidency, with only about three of every 10 Americans registering approval. Like his father before him, this president faces a rebellion among conservatives, an uncertain economic outlook and the prospect of Republican losses in November.

The first President Bush liked to quote Yogi Berra, his favorite pop philosopher, and his curious take on a baseball loss: "We made too many wrong mistakes."

What were the biggest mistakes of George W. Bush's presidency? When asked that at an April 2004 news conference, he said he could not think of any. A far more subdued Bush now acknowledges some major ones _ and not the ones his father made.

They include "kind of tough talk, you know, that sent the wrong signal to people," Bush said at a Thursday news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair. He said the inhumane treatment of Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison was one of the darkest marks on his watch.

"Now I think he wishes he had not taken a blanket view that everything his father did was wrong," said Bruce Buchanan, a University of Texas professor who has closely studied the Bush family. "Staying out of Baghdad looks like a brilliant move at this point." During the Persian Gulf War in 1991, the first President Bush did not send U.S. troops into Baghdad to oust President Saddam Hussein after the U.S.-led coalition ousted the Iraqi arm from Kuwait.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bullzogby; bush41; bush43; bushhassers; fakebutaccurate; makingitup; seebs; zogbyism
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1 posted on 05/28/2006 1:37:13 PM PDT by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Where's the barf alert? C-BS and the kook left at it again


2 posted on 05/28/2006 1:40:14 PM PDT by johna61
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To: ncountylee

Where's the barf alert? C-BS and the kook left at it again


3 posted on 05/28/2006 1:40:17 PM PDT by johna61
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To: ncountylee

C- BS.


4 posted on 05/28/2006 1:40:43 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (look at a map)
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To: ncountylee

Note the source.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 1:41:17 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Bush is still in a hole. The latest is illegal immigration is like a traffic ticket.


6 posted on 05/28/2006 1:42:12 PM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: ncountylee
"Now I think he wishes he had not taken a blanket view that everything his father did was wrong," said Bruce Buchanan, a University of Texas professor who has closely studiedstalked the Bush family.
7 posted on 05/28/2006 1:42:30 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: ncountylee
He said the inhumane treatment of Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison was one of the darkest marks on his watch.

Symptomatic of being totally pu**y-whipped by the MSM.

8 posted on 05/28/2006 1:43:55 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: ncountylee

Exact same place as his dad? Gee, I didn't know his dad served a second term.


9 posted on 05/28/2006 1:44:22 PM PDT by bw17
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To: ncountylee
this president faces a rebellion among conservatives, an uncertain economic

What's uncertain about it C.B.S.?

10 posted on 05/28/2006 1:45:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ncountylee
an uncertain economic outlook

This tells you all you need to know about this article.

11 posted on 05/28/2006 1:47:44 PM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie (Its the philosophy, stupid.)
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To: ncountylee

I don't think he did EVERYTHING differently. The problem is that they both played to a liberal audience and stuck a finger in the eye of their base.


12 posted on 05/28/2006 1:48:52 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ncountylee

Antiwar garbage masquerading as a news article.


13 posted on 05/28/2006 1:49:44 PM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: ncountylee
A far more subdued Bush now acknowledges some major (mistakes) "They include "kind of tough talk, you know, that sent the wrong signal to people," Bush said at a Thursday news conference..."

I think the opposite is true, Bush usually refrains from making the case for Iraq strongly enough, instead leaving the floor to his enemies, who never stop being tough in making their case. However, this was specifically one of his father's mistakes as well, Bush Sr. declined to talk forcefully about the economy during his second run at the presidency, also leaving the floor entirely to his enemies, the Clinton camp, who, as we know, tore him up.

14 posted on 05/28/2006 1:50:57 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: ncountylee

"an uncertain economic outlook"


What BS...


15 posted on 05/28/2006 1:51:46 PM PDT by nralife
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To: ncountylee
And John Kerry and Algore would have been better presidents? I don't think so.

What we have is the drum beat of a group (liberals) who are having a 6 year hissy fit (8 years when he is done) and they control the MSM, so the beat goes on.

The world is safer now that Saddam is out, Irag is on there way, it will take time but give it that. The situation in the Middle east will always be hostile, the left will never be satisfied with anything done militarily, so what else is new.

As the saying goes George W Bush is saving there sorry asses if they like it or not.

As for anyone one the right, suck it up and support the president. Dispite not being perfect, he did beat the Rats and needs our backing and prayers.
16 posted on 05/28/2006 1:52:10 PM PDT by Duke Wayne
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To: ncountylee

President Bush Sr. was not reelected and President Bush Jr. was so it has to be a different hole.


17 posted on 05/28/2006 1:52:28 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: ncountylee

Unfortunately, Bush isn't in the same hole as his dad - his dad's hole was much shallower. If the Bush I tax increase was a strip mine, the Bush II amnesty is hell itself.


18 posted on 05/28/2006 1:52:36 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: ncountylee

Bush Sr. mistake "Read my lips..no new taxes". He caved.
Bush Jr. mistake "Guest worker program". Borders like swiss cheese.

Father and son weenie duet.


19 posted on 05/28/2006 1:53:04 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Brilliant

"I don't think he did EVERYTHING differently. The problem is that they both played to a liberal audience and stuck a finger in the eye of their base."

You're living up to your screen name - the only BRILLIANT comment on this thread so far.



20 posted on 05/28/2006 1:53:24 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: ncountylee
I would have thought that any talk of him being the same as his Dad would have stopped the moment he beat Kerry.

But I see both the right and the left trumpeting the same insanity.
21 posted on 05/28/2006 1:55:16 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: ncountylee

President George W. Bush is not the PROBLEM. The House and the Senate are the PROBLEM. One man cannot be a bigger enemy than 535 people in the House and Senate. The 535 are todays numbers though this has been true since George Washington.


22 posted on 05/28/2006 1:57:31 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: ncountylee

Same hole as that forgotten president named Truman


23 posted on 05/28/2006 1:58:35 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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To: ncountylee

The media and Congress have LOWER poll numbers (maybe even COMBINED).


24 posted on 05/28/2006 2:00:37 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: ncountylee
I was aghast when W listed off those "failures" the other day, but to compare this 2 term Presidency with his father's is folly. George W. Bush has done a whole lot of good these last 6 years, especially if you are an NRA member.
25 posted on 05/28/2006 2:00:44 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: JOE43270

President Bush is actively putting brutal pressure on 535 people in the House and Senate to pass the amnesty bill and has willingly become a large part of the problem..


26 posted on 05/28/2006 2:02:35 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Uncle Fud
That was a power ghraib and a successful attempt to turn people against the war.

Unfortunately, it also served to rally the jihadists to flood into Iraq (and it is them we fight today, not Iraqi military).

The media trumped up their outrage over Abu Ghraib (the men were already being tried, it was one of the accused who leaked the images, the media helped to fake and circulate their own worse "fake but accurate" images of soldiers urinating on prisoners and raping women, and the media never wanted to discuss the treatment of prisoners under Saddam... CNN kept quiet about known abuses under Saddam to keep their Baghdad bureau).

The media was successful in dragging down the war effort but they were not successful in stealing back the White House or in "helping" to prosecute these men (who were already being prosecuted and who were convicted). Even the Congressmen (like Hillary Clinton) who express outrage were lying as they had been contacted prior to the release of the photos and blew it off as unimportant.

The media is treasonous and deceitful.
27 posted on 05/28/2006 2:06:19 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: ncountylee
Other than stomping on the Constitution with his signing of McCain-Feingold, I'm of the opinion that W's biggest mistake was his failure to clear out the Clintonistas from all the governmnent agencies that he could.

They've done nothing but hinder and back-bite him and his programs.

28 posted on 05/28/2006 2:07:55 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: ncountylee
Try polling a 51-48% Rep to Dem split and get that result then we will talk. Having to oversample the Democrat respondents by 1/3 to manufacture the outcome you want is propaganda NOT sound Methodology.

And spare me the self serving nonsense "well more people are Democrats now" Political Identification changes slowly. People rarely switch more then one in their lives from Rep to Dem or vice versa. Calling up 500 people asking them "what are you Dem or Rep" just means YOU called more Dems, not that more people ARE Dems. The PROVEN ratio to use is Election results. But if this is done the Junk Media doesn't get these dramatic headlines to hype and exaggerate that it wants so of course they cannot do be HONEST. It's Market Share, NOT Intellectual Honesty that drive these weekly polls.

Simply amazing that the same American people who can be so utterly cynical about Commercial Advertising are so hopelessly gullible when it comes to Ideological Advertising with a phony "News" or "Poll" label slapped on it.

29 posted on 05/28/2006 2:10:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The is no right to commit Treason in the 1st Amendment .)
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To: ncountylee

CBS?????? and anyone with a brain is going to believe this fodder???????


30 posted on 05/28/2006 2:12:56 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: ncountylee

Communist Bravo Sierra - Typical and predictable. I have a great deal of respect for our President, but I have to admit that this Amnesty business makes me a bit queasy.


31 posted on 05/28/2006 2:13:51 PM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: ncountylee

This is a ridiculous article and analogy. George Bush's father never made it into his second term.

A more apt discussion would be how second term presidency's typically produce low poll numbers.


32 posted on 05/28/2006 2:15:09 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: JOE43270
President George W. Bush is not the PROBLEM. The House and the Senate are the PROBLEM.

Sorry Joe, but at risk of being flamed by Bush-bots, your wrong. Bush has ZERO ability to communicate a cohesive thought, littleless convincingly defend any ideas he may have. He is loosing the war of his credibility because he doesn't know how to communicate at all. You can see misstep after misstep. The Senate has been screwing him over, thats true, but what has he done to fight for his causes or defend his leadership. Social Security reform? Education Reform? Drilling in ANWAR? Abu Grave? Nothing! He tends to only boldly defend the stupid stuff that pisses his base off the most from Harriet Myers, to Ports Deal to Amenesty for illegals.

33 posted on 05/28/2006 2:16:15 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: ncountylee; JOE43270
President Bush is actively putting brutal pressure on 535 people

Prove that statement. I say that is an utter and complete falsehood. If that were the case we would of got Soc Security reform last year. I say you are knowing telling a falsehood here. Prove me wrong. You can't cause YOU KNOW it absurd nonsense.

DC does NOT work in the way your favorite TV show TELLS you it does. It utterly NONSENSE to claim the President is "Applying Brutal pressure" Hyperbole, exaggeration and feverish emoting DOES not help make the Antis case. It makes their whole side of the issue look juvenile, hysteric and foolish.

The President cannot put "brutal pressure" on anyone in Congress. For crying out LOUD, they almost shut the place down in a "Constitutional Crises" because a PROPER Search Warrant was served on one of the member's office. It is utterly absurd make believe hype and Hollywood level nonsense to claim the President is "applying brutal pressure" to Congress. This sort of hype just make the poser look childish.

Time for the 100%ers to take a deep breat and get a grip on reality again. That statment is utterly absurd.

34 posted on 05/28/2006 2:19:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The is no right to commit Treason in the 1st Amendment .)
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To: ncountylee
He is roughly at the same place in the polls where the elder Bush was at the low point of his presidency, with only about three of every 10 Americans registering approval. Like his father before him, this president faces a rebellion among conservatives, an uncertain economic outlook and the prospect of Republican losses in November.

This President Bush is in a hole because of his determination to go against what American CITIZENS want, in favor of Fox and the Mexicans who have invaded our country. At this rate, Bush will finish much lower than his dad did. His arrogance will overshadow the good things he has done for Americans!

35 posted on 05/28/2006 2:20:54 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (CONGRESS, YOU BUILD THE FENCE NOW, OR WE*LL VOTE FOR LAWMAKERS WHO WILL!)
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To: Bommer

His speech on immigration was his first address to the American public (on a domestic issue) since 9/11.

In nearly five years (since 9/11) he has provided virtually no leadership on border security and immigration reform.

When he finally presents a plan, it's just what Ted Kennedy wants.


36 posted on 05/28/2006 2:21:14 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: BW2221
QUICK BW into the flame protection suits!


37 posted on 05/28/2006 2:23:42 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: bw17

Yeah.. if Bush 43 doesn't change his ways he won't get re-elected!

Stupid media.


38 posted on 05/28/2006 2:24:21 PM PDT by nhoward14 (Guns don't kill Muppets. Muppets kill Muppets.)
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To: ncountylee
CBS : "an uncertain economic outlook"

Reality : A scorching 5.3% GDP growth.

CBS: " and the prospect of Republican losses in November. "

Reality :

#1. CBS has talked about "Republican losses in November" every single election year since President Bush took power. They have been wrong every time.

# 2. With Republican House members set to shoot down the evil Senate Immigrating Bill, Republicans are going to maintain control of The House.
39 posted on 05/28/2006 2:26:24 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Peach
"This is a ridiculous article and analogy. George Bush's father never made it into his second term"

Yep.
Normal drive-by media nonsense.
40 posted on 05/28/2006 2:28:12 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: MNJohnnie
Roves has been widely reported to have been meeting with Congressman to lobby for "comprehensive" immigration reform. Tony Snow acknowledged that on Rush.
41 posted on 05/28/2006 2:28:48 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Those who make up history are doomed to repeat themselves.....


42 posted on 05/28/2006 2:42:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ncountylee
He is roughly at the same place in the polls where the elder Bush was at the low point of his presidency, with only about three of every 10 Americans registering approval.

30% is great. Great leaders always get low numbers. e.g. Truman, Churchill etc. Lousy leaders get high numbers. To get high numbers you must pander not lead.

The 30% numbers says more about the electorate and the MSM than it does about Bush. 70% of the electorate are either whiners, cry babies and/or clueless.

..Slick Winnie the Pooh. Very popular.

..the sheriff clearing al Queda brush. @ 30%.

when the going gets tough the tough get going....the rest play the saxaphone, get BJs in the Oval Office and practice the poitics of appease and pander..

..Winnie the Great...and unpopular.

..Neville the popular appeaser

..Harry S. Truman @20%+ in the polls at the height of the Korean War..the last great Democratic president.

43 posted on 05/28/2006 2:48:04 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: HarleyLady27

Well, the posters here that prey on every opportunity to bash Bush believe it! Oh, sorry, you said people with brains. Nevahmiand.


44 posted on 05/28/2006 2:52:53 PM PDT by Annie5622 (Democrats DO have a plan! They apparently plan to stay stupid.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Great post. Feel free to repeat it.


45 posted on 05/28/2006 2:54:31 PM PDT by Annie5622 (Democrats DO have a plan! They apparently plan to stay stupid.)
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To: ncountylee

show me the barf alert next time. please.


46 posted on 05/28/2006 3:09:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: rickmichaels
Note the source.

Ahem, Bush himself is the source.

47 posted on 05/28/2006 3:19:20 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: ncountylee

Is CBS still in that hole that Dan Rather was at the bottom of?


48 posted on 05/28/2006 3:20:56 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: MNJohnnie
Try polling a 51-48% Rep to Dem split and get that result then we will talk. Having to oversample the Democrat respondents by 1/3 to manufacture the outcome you want is propaganda NOT sound Methodology.

Just exactly right Johnnie! As soon as anyone says or writes "according to the polls" I laugh and ignore anything else they say or write.

Iraq is a main reason for Bush's low approval ratings ....

I am sick of hearing this as well. IF there is another reason for the President's low poll numbers, it is certainly NOT Iraq!

This propaganda piece is disgusting.

49 posted on 05/28/2006 3:30:57 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: kerryusama04
"George W. Bush has done a whole lot of good these last 6 years, especially if you are an NRA member."

And what might those things be. As I recall, the only "good thing" that was NRA related was the failure of the Congress to pass the renewal of the "assault weapons ban", which Bush HAD PROMISED TO SIGN IF IT PASSED. Credit therefore does NOT go to Bush.

50 posted on 05/28/2006 3:34:29 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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