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If Power Shifts In 2008
The Washington Post ^ | Sunday, May 28, 2006 | Robert Kagan

Posted on 05/28/2006 3:31:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Could the United States be better off with Democrat in the White House in 2009? Here are couple of reasons the answer might be yes, even if you're not a Democrat.

The Democrats need to take ownership of American foreign policy again, for their sake as well as the country's. Long stretches in opposition sometimes drive parties toward defeatism, utopianism, isolationism or permutations of all three. What starts off as legitimate attacks on inevitable errors of the party in power can veer off into wholesale rejection of the opposition party's own foreign policy principles. Republicans in 1990s, after supporting an expansive internationalism under Ronald Reagan and the first George Bush, drifted toward quasi-isolationism against the Clinton administration's quasi-internationalism. During Woodrow Wilson's two terms, the internationalist party of Theodore Roosevelt began transforming itself into the isolationist party of William Borah. During the Nixon-Ford years, the party of John F. Kennedy became the party of George McGovern.

Eight years of Bill Clinton brought the Democrats mostly out of their post-Vietnam trauma and revived liberal interventionism. But the George W. Bush years have driven many back. Buffeted between the administration's failures and their party's left-wing critics, the Clintonites either disavowed what they once believed or kept their heads down. Lately they're starting to show signs of life and could still take the reins again if the right Democrat won in 2008. That wouldn't be such a bad thing. No one can claim any more that the old Clinton foreign policy team is less competent than the Republicans who succeeded it. But what happens to these Democrats if their standard-bearer loses in 2008?

The case for electing a Democrat is not only to save the party's soul, though that's a worthy task, but to pull the country together to face the difficult times ahead.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; leftists; politics

1 posted on 05/28/2006 3:31:03 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

This idiot gets paid to write nonsense like this.


2 posted on 05/28/2006 3:32:55 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Robert Kagan! Yes you!

Put down the Peyote Beans and walk slowly towards the nice men in the white coats with the big butter-fly nets. They'll take you to a nice restful place.


3 posted on 05/28/2006 3:33:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Robert Kagan is currently based in Brussels.

Robert Kagan is senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. His most recent book, Of Paradise and Power (Knopf, 2003), was on the New York Times bestseller list for ten weeks and the Washington Post bestseller list for 14 weeks. It was also a bestseller in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, and Canada and has been translated into more than 25 languages. His next book, Dangerous Nation: America in the World, 1607-1898, will be published by Knopf in the fall of 2006.

4 posted on 05/28/2006 3:34:32 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Rome2000

Robert Kagan is a typical neo-con.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 3:34:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The first rule of advertising is to advertise your weakest point. That's exactly what's going on here.


6 posted on 05/28/2006 3:35:27 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: MinorityRepublican

The problem with the GOP is that it's become the Democratic Party.




Of course, the Democrats are now the Communists.


7 posted on 05/28/2006 3:36:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SandRat
"Robert Kagan! Yes you!

Put down the Peyote Beans and walk slowly towards the nice men in the white coats with the big butter-fly nets. They'll take you to a nice restful place."


Heh Heh!
8 posted on 05/28/2006 3:37:01 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: MinorityRepublican

Could the United States be better off with Democrat in the White House in 2009?
......................................................

NO!


9 posted on 05/28/2006 3:37:43 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

You forgot to state "Barf Alert" for this article. Return the Dims back to the White House? Give me a break! To improve the foreign policy of our country? Lest we forget pre 911? Who was asleep at the wheel? The WP must suffer from a severe case of amnesia.


10 posted on 05/28/2006 3:38:17 PM PDT by Mr. D (Here is the announcement of the (fraud) forum)
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To: Rome2000

There is no accountablity for these people and they
sway thousands of people with their idiotic statements
like this one..hell, the Democrats will sell their own
down the river...terrorists...what terrorists?..they
believe in arrestng them ..not killing them...if they
get in power ...build a bomb shelter..way underground...
like 15 feet. Jake


11 posted on 05/28/2006 3:38:28 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: Brilliant

Brilliant analysis.


12 posted on 05/28/2006 3:38:56 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Washington Post: Democrat Propaganda Organ

Washington Post:Pravda (under the Soviets)::Democrat Party:Bolcheviks

13 posted on 05/28/2006 3:44:38 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The Spirit of Flight 93 is the Spirit of America!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"No one can claim any more that the old Clinton foreign policy team is less competent than the Republicans who succeeded it."

Oh, no ?

14 posted on 05/28/2006 3:45:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: SandRat

The sad thing is, there are so many idiots that believe this moronic tripe...


15 posted on 05/28/2006 3:47:57 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: MinorityRepublican

"The Democrats need to take ownership of American foreign policy again."


AGAIN ..?? This is the "false premise" the WP uses to pat their friends on the back. THE DEMS HAVE NEVER OWNED FOREIGN POLICY SINCE HARRY TRUMAN.

Kennedy tried .. but the bay of pigs was a miserable failure. He talked tough .. but forgot to put the money where his mouth was. I have serious doubts much would have been done about Russia if they had not caved to the blockade.


16 posted on 05/28/2006 3:49:08 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Eight years of Bill Clinton brought the Democrats mostly out of their post-Vietnam trauma and revived liberal interventionism.

Nothing but wishful thinking on the author's part.

17 posted on 05/28/2006 3:49:17 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: JDoutrider

Hence the reference to the Peyote Beans.


18 posted on 05/28/2006 3:49:42 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Many Republicans imagined that everything that went wrong in the world during those two decades was the fault of Franklin Roosevelt and the Democrats. FDR "tricked" us into war with Japan. Then he gave away Eastern Europe at Yalta. Then Harry Truman adopted the disastrous strategy of containment.

Although unintentional on the author's part, those words are the most correct and insightful ones in the article.

19 posted on 05/28/2006 3:52:44 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Democrats need to take ownership of American foreign policy again, for their sake as well as the country's.

Which country? Red China? Cuba? Iran?

20 posted on 05/28/2006 3:56:08 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: MinorityRepublican
Eight years of Bill Clinton brought the Democrats mostly out of their post-Vietnam trauma and revived liberal interventionism.

Which is why he left the presidency with a 23% approval rating.

But the George W. Bush years have driven many back.

And the communists are furious over it. They said Bush drove their agenda back decades. Good thing he won when he did, isn't it?
Next, we'll move on to a real conservative and bid the left wing communists goodbye for the last time.

21 posted on 05/28/2006 4:00:50 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Pat Buchanan in disguise?


22 posted on 05/28/2006 4:39:44 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: MinorityRepublican

The case for electing a Democrat is not only to save the party's soul, though that's a worthy task, but to pull the country together to face the difficult times ahead.

Yeah the repubs are pissing off the base (and a hell of a lot of others)to the point that they want someone else to vote for but the Dems are yeaterdays news. They CAN'T pull this country together because thay have no vision of the future to offer. All the Dems do now is rage and hate and undermine.

In the past this situation put the Dems in the win by default seat but I don't see that this time around. The time has never been so ripe for a dark horse.


23 posted on 05/28/2006 5:04:35 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: MinorityRepublican

24 posted on 05/28/2006 5:07:40 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: MinorityRepublican

The writer is really out of touch.Choice quote:"the Republicans could nominate someone capable of winning broad Democratic support...."The author doesn't drop any names,but the first person that came to my mind when i read that statement was John McCain(R)INO.


25 posted on 05/28/2006 5:11:15 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Long stretches in opposition sometimes drive parties toward defeatism, utopianism, isolationism or permutations of all three."

All these big words that are just broad handwaves without saying anything specific.

Typical subversive socialist claptrap from the liberals. They think anything that does not give our country away is bad, nasty, and evil.

26 posted on 05/28/2006 5:54:51 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: MinorityRepublican
Could the United States be better off with Democrat in the White House in 2009?

One thing's for sure, all the conservatives who promptly went to sleep with GW was elected will suddenly wake up. Things were certainly poppin' around Free Republic a lot more back duing the days of the "Clinton Death List".

It brings to mind the old Chinese curse..."may you live in interesting times.".

27 posted on 05/28/2006 5:58:30 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: facedown

"His next book, Dangerous Nation: America in the World, 1607-1898, will be published by Knopf in the fall of 2006."

Is this a parody? America did not become a nation until 1783.


28 posted on 05/28/2006 6:05:01 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: concerned about politics

"Which country? Red China? Cuba? Iran?"

Russia.


29 posted on 05/28/2006 6:06:30 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Using this guys logic we should have let the Communists win the Cold War.


30 posted on 05/28/2006 7:07:01 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: strategofr

He must be meaning colonial-era America. We often treat colonial and independent nation eras as distinct entities for US history, but for Canadian, Australian, and NZ history the colonial and post-colonial periods are treated under a unified approach.


31 posted on 05/28/2006 7:09:22 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: AntiGuv
The article was pathetically weak and poorly reasoned, and drew conclusion out of nothing. An embarrassment really.
32 posted on 05/28/2006 7:31:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AntiGuv
Exactly right. He and fellow neo-con Bill Kristol jointly wrote a book called "Present Dangers." Kristol, on Fox New's "panel," has gone ballistic lately shilling for amnesty.
33 posted on 05/28/2006 7:37:27 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: NZerFromHK

"He must be meaning colonial-era America."

A threat to the world?


34 posted on 05/28/2006 7:51:29 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The case for electing a Democrat is not only to save the party's soul

Too late. Their soul is already gone. After 40-50 years in power, the US voters turned them out and they are out for revenge on America by destroying the country.

35 posted on 05/28/2006 8:01:45 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: strategofr

Does he mean a threat to existing world order at the time? In general, the European powers' drive to incorporate new lands for new products and commerce heightened their tensions and it ended up in the Seven Years War in the mid 18th century (the French and Indian War was in fact the North American thretre of that particular war). So in a sense the existence of America drove the Western European nations more antagonistic.


36 posted on 05/28/2006 8:19:18 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Rome2000

where's the barf alert ?


37 posted on 05/28/2006 9:06:13 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: MinorityRepublican

Here is a reason why we would not be better off - socialized medicine. And it's almost here now...


38 posted on 05/28/2006 11:54:08 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

BTTT


39 posted on 05/29/2006 7:33:24 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: NZerFromHK

"Does he mean a threat to existing world order at the time? In general, the European powers' drive to incorporate new lands for new products and commerce heightened their tensions and it ended up in the Seven Years War in the mid 18th century (the French and Indian War was in fact the North American thretre of that particular war). So in a sense the existence of America drove the Western European nations more antagonistic."

You make excellent points, but if that's what he talking about, it's a strange title.


40 posted on 05/29/2006 9:08:41 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: strategofr; NZerFromHK
...the European powers' drive to incorporate new lands...

You make excellent points, but if that's what he talking about, it's a strange title.

He's a strange man.

41 posted on 05/29/2006 11:23:08 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: MinorityRepublican
[ Could the United States be better off with Democrat in the White House in 2009? Here are couple of reasons the answer might be yes, even if you're not a Democrat. ]

Absolutely not.. BUT 20 plus million brand democrats inducted into the democrat party (AMNESTY) will insure that WILL HAPPEN.. Thats 20 miilion MORE than the normal massive democrat voter fraud.. All the more heinous since it was REPUBLICANS that caused it to happen..

Elephant sized DUUUUUUgh..

42 posted on 05/29/2006 11:36:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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