BIG BANG IN ANTARCTICA -- KILLER CRATER FOUND UNDER ICE

Ohio State University ^ | 01 June 2006 | Staff (press release)

[Renfield]

I couldn't find the spot I referred to earlier, but his site has a simple graphic of the continents dancing around on the globe:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/locations/Antarctica.shtml

[halfright]

Al Gore has been on this from the get go....wait'll tomorrow and he'll fess up? Ya'll didn't believe me on the "Internet" thing either....

In all seriousness, we know less about our oceans than we do about space....

[finnman69]

dunno

[SaveUS]

So, what defines truth? Or is the scientific model the best we are going to get?

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=060601_crater_gravity_02.jpg∩=Gravity+fluctuations+beneath+East+Antarctica+measured+by+GRACE+satellite.+Denser+regions+appear+more+red;+the+location+of+the+Wilkes+Land+crater+is+circled+(above+center).+Credit%3A+Ohio+State+University+

Bedout High: c.250 MYA, ~200km diameter The Bedout structure 300km west of Broome, in the Canning Basin off the coast of Western Australia, has been sited as one of the possible impacts that contributed to one of the greatest extinction events known. At the end of the Permian Period, around 250 MYA, it has been estimated that more than 90% of marine species, and 70% of terrestrial species, may have become extinct. The extinction event seems to have been a sudden, global occurrance, lasting less than a million years (which in geological terms is very rapid).

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~dannj/craters.htm

So many craters, so many extinctions...

I 'discovered' another one recently, named in 2003 IIRC. Not yet on the map of Australian Impact Craters.

Google pic follows...

[WorkingClassFilth]

So, you care to illuminate us about why a man who nails catastrophism as a prime vehicle of environmental change decades before his (ahem) peers is, in your opinion, a kook and a fool?

[Fred Nerks]

It's a baby...only 8.5 klm.

http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/austr.html

[gleeaikin]

So much fun stuff, where to begin.

Regarding this graph, I see that the CO2 levels and temperatures were similar to those today. The proto-mammalian therapsids were evolving just fine until the big disaster, then Lystrosaurus held out for a time, and the dinosaurs/lizards ruled for 150 million years. Perhaps there is an important difference in mammalian style vs lizard style metabolism that caused the failure of the therapsid line, leaving only a few tiny proto-mammalians to hide in the bushes for all those years. Should this worry us today with increasing CO2?

As to why the dinosaurs did not survive the meteor event(s) of 65mya, a theory I have not heard is that it/they probably destroyed the ozone layer for quite some time. I can see the poor dinosaurs dying of skin cancer. Note the creatures that did survive. Birds covered with feathers, frogs and salamanders living in water or under plants and rocks, alligators living and resting in mud bank caves, mammals covered with fur and living in bushes.

A great book is "When Life Nearly Died: The Greatest Mass Extinction of All Time," by Michael J. Benton, 2003. There is an interesting graph on pg. 172 showing "radiometric ages, the carbon isotope curve, and the ranges of 333 species of fossils identified from 90 metres of rock in the Meishan quarries. A, B and C mark the three apparent pulses of extinction." These three pulses occurred over a million year spread, and could coincide with several boloid events.

For those who like the vulcanism explanation, see pg. 275 with "A summary diagram showing how the eruption of the Siberian Traps led to major atmospheric changes and to the collapse of most of life on Earth 251mya." [I would post these, but don't have the computer capability or knowledge.]

Regarding the idea of contrecoup damage, is this the same concept as when a bullet hits a skull it causes a small hole going in but a big hole or bulge on the opposite side of the head? If so, then this was my initial thought for the Yucatan/Deccan Traps situation, until I heard about the "Shiva Crater". There is a lot on google there. At the end Permian, all the land masses were pretty much stuck together as Pangea. I think that the Bedout and Antarctic Craters would have been toward the south end, and the Siberian Traps toward the north end, but I am not sure there would have been enough oppositeness for a ballistic type effect. That is why I think there may be a crater hidden under the Traps.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"So, you care to illuminate us about why a man who nails catastrophism as a prime vehicle of environmental change decades before his (ahem) peers is, in your opinion, a kook and a fool?"

Because he based his *theories* on no empirical evidence. He pulled them from his butt, essentially. And his theories were wrong. This article in no validates anything Velikovsky said. The devil's in the details, and the details of Velikovsky's claims were mind-numbingly silly.

[Ruddles]

Ia Shub and all that. You know old Howard Phillips was remote viewing, if unconsciously, all that Antarctic activity. You also know that Lake Vostok is the Lake of Living Past. Read Poe's "Diary of Arthur Gordon Pym," if you haven't already. It's all there, people, and it's not pretty but it sure is cool!!

[WorkingClassFilth]

The evidence of catastrophism is all around you - not up your butt.

[Ruddles]

Silly git, you mean the NARRATIVE of Arthur Gordon Pym.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The evidence of catastrophism is all around you - not up your butt."

I didn't say that catastrophes never happened, or that they haven't affected the history of life. Of course they have; that's what this article is all about. I said that Velikovsky's particular claims were not based on observation but on his imagination, or delusions. They were wrong. He pulled them from his butt, essentially. He was a nut, and deserves his low status among scientists.

[NutCrackerBoy]

Bump.

[WorkingClassFilth]

It seems to me that the fact that he got out there with a contrarian explanation at a time when uniformitarianism reigned was just too radical for establishment thinkers. No doubt he had a few wild and wooleys, but at least give the man credit for calling the fundamental mechanics what they were/are. When you reflect on it, even hallowed science, in every epoch, essentially pulls their theories out of their butts, too - though highly educated butts they may be.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"It seems to me that the fact that he got out there with a contrarian explanation at a time when uniformitarianism reigned was just too radical for establishment thinkers."

But his claims were all garbage. They have not panned out. At all. He did no research, made no observations.

"No doubt he had a few wild and wooleys, but at least give the man credit for calling the fundamental mechanics what they were/are."

He got the mechanics completely wrong. What was he right about? Nothing.

"When you reflect on it, even hallowed science, in every epoch, essentially pulls their theories out of their butts, too - though highly educated butts they may be."

No, they do nothing of the sort. They make observations and test their claims against the evidence. Velikovsky did nothing of the sort. He made things up based on a crappy reading of ancient myths. He was a loon.

[WorkingClassFilth]

The history of science is nothing if it is not supposition after supposition being overturned. That means the scientists in the status quo crowd have their heads up their butts and like the atmosphere. Sorry to say, but 'Science' is nothing more than another human agency and prone to hubris the same as any other. Velikovsky promoted the idea of catastrophism in an era that rejected the premise. Even a guy in his backyard can see it today.

[paulat]

I'm sure women and minority dinosaurs were hardest hit.

...we WERE....

...we were left with Neanderthals....

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The history of science is nothing if it is not supposition after supposition being overturned. That means the scientists in the status quo crowd have their heads up their butts and like the atmosphere."

No, it means nothing of the sort. As for Velikovsky, none of his ideas have been verified, even remotely.

"Sorry to say, but 'Science' is nothing more than another human agency and prone to hubris the same as any other."

And those who know very little of it will be easy marks for a conman like Velikovsky.

"Velikovsky promoted the idea of catastrophism in an era that rejected the premise."

He proposed specific things that were wild-ass fantasies. Catastrophism was not ruled out automatically; what was required was some evidence that the specific catastrophe had some basis in fact. None of Velikovsky's claims were based on fact. When real evidence of catastrophes has been presented, as in the event that killed the dinosaurs, it will get accepted, even if it takes a little time to digest. Velikovsky is not accepted by any sane scientist because none of his claims has a basis in fact.

He did make a lot of money though selling books to the scientifically illiterate.

[united1000]

And I was impressed with Meteor crater in AZ!