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U.S. Military Denies New Abuse Allegations at Ishaqi (Marines Exonerated from Killings)
abcnews ^ | June 2, 2006 | JONATHAN KARL

Posted on 06/02/2006 12:43:57 PM PDT by demlosers

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1 posted on 06/02/2006 12:44:00 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
This WH (and more importantly this CIC) need to come out in full support of our soldiers and stress the positives of all they have done and continue to do!

Address that if ROE's were not followed our system takes care of that....but stress the facts that none of these Marines have been convicted of anything in Haditha and deserve nothing less the complete benefit of the doubt up until that point.

Stress the evil we are fighting and the realities that these enemies do not wear uniforms and can easily take the role of "civilian" when convenient.

2 posted on 06/02/2006 12:49:33 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: demlosers

Now watch Kerry and Murtha go flip-flop flip-flop.


3 posted on 06/02/2006 12:50:10 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: demlosers

The solution is really simple. Let's pull our forces back and let the Iraqi Army ferret these people out of their nests. This is total BS...just what the Kerry/Dean/Kennedy bunch are looking for...


4 posted on 06/02/2006 12:51:17 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: demlosers; Dog; Sam Hill
Among those who may be charged are senior officers whom officials believe were not on the scene at the time of the killings but should have been aware that something had happened and done something about it.

They weren't there, but should have known, will be charged???

5 posted on 06/02/2006 12:51:53 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: demlosers

But I would say it's stress, fear, isolation and, in some cases, they're just upset. They see their buddies getting blown up on occasion, and they could snap."

Our soldiers are not Unisols who can easily turn it off with a flick of a switch. If the iraqis soldiers and security would step up to the plate and take more control of their nation, and move us more and more from the occupying equation, the less confusion and inaccuracies would occur.

We have freed more people from despotism than any other nation in the history of the world. All the accusers and detractors need to stick that fact in there pipe and smoke it. I wonder what kind of alternative world would exist if the U.S. wasn't around.


6 posted on 06/02/2006 12:56:14 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: demlosers

Do I understand this correctly. Ishaqi is a different incident from the more widely reported Haditha?


7 posted on 06/02/2006 12:59:34 PM PDT by twigs
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Yes


8 posted on 06/02/2006 1:00:41 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I wonder what kind of alternative world would exist if the U.S. wasn't around.

There are plenty of entities both inside and outside of this country trying to bring that about.

9 posted on 06/02/2006 1:04:12 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I support the troops and the mission.)
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re: unisols

Never saw the movie, but why shouldn't we start thinking about plopping 500,000 stationary armed and armored robots at each intersection that just stand there and run video and have paintballs to mark suspects for the Iraqi Police to go in and pick up.


10 posted on 06/02/2006 1:06:31 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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"why shouldn't we start thinking about plopping 500,000 stationary armed and armored robot"

Better yet, just have about fifty UAVs on patrol in the sky loaded with flourescent paintballs tagging the terrorists at 1,000 feet for pick up by the iraqi police.


11 posted on 06/02/2006 1:09:56 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: DevSix

They are so busy dredging up anew the other incidents that it's nearly impossible to separate from them the Ishaqui incident.

Intentional confusion.


12 posted on 06/02/2006 1:11:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: demlosers

Thank you for adding the more accurate headline in parenthesis. Of course, the article spends more time on other allegations than it does on the subject of the headline.

Just thought I'd point that out, like I'm the only one who noticed. LOL


13 posted on 06/02/2006 1:11:40 PM PDT by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest." Þ)
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To: demlosers

POLL TO FREEP

Do U.S. troops need more training in ethics and values?
This is always a good idea.
Yes, because it's clear there have been problems.
No, this is already part of their training.
No, they should just focus on accomplishing their missions.

SCROLL DOWN RIGHT SIDE OF SCREEN
http://www.nbc5.com/index.html


14 posted on 06/02/2006 1:12:03 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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They weren't there, but should have known, will be charged???

It's the nature of command. The commander has a duty to make every reasonable effort to determine what's going on in his command.

That was what really pissed me off about Abu Ghraib; the general kept whining that she had no idea what was going on inside her own friggin' prison! It's called "management by walking around." It's called "get off your fat a$$, get out of your office, get down to where your troops are supposedly doing their jobs, and find out what's going on."

One of the first warning signs of a unit going to hell is when the senior leadership is closeted away in their offices--the troops start thinking that their leaders don't care, and pretty soon the troops don't care, and then they start doing things they're not supposed to be doing.

When I was in the Army, my first sergeant was almost never in his office unless the CO was holding him there at gunpoint to get some paperwork done. Otherwise, he was out there, talking to soldiers about what they were doing, correcting or commending them as appropriate, giving a good example of leadership to junior NCOs, and showing us that he cared very much about what went on with HIS soldiers, in HIS company, and in HIS Army. And the same with the company commander, the platoon leaders, and the platoon sergeants. The company CO once said that he didn't want to see a platoon leader sitting down during working hours unless they were eating or excreting--he wanted them moving around and through their platoons.

If stuff like this is what's happening--if the leadership isn't keeping track of what's going on--we have a huge problem, and it goes WAY beyond any allegations of "war crimes" or anything else. It will destroy our military if it goes on unchecked.

15 posted on 06/02/2006 1:12:40 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: xzins
They are so busy dredging up anew the other incidents that it's nearly impossible to separate from them the Ishaqui incident.

Intentional confusion.

Bingo! - Without question there is a deliberate attempt to change public opinion based on fact-less reports and confusion on what events are actually even being reported on (being thrown at the average American viewer by this pathetic MSM).

16 posted on 06/02/2006 1:16:15 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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17 posted on 06/02/2006 1:19:33 PM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: prairiebreeze
I would not want to live in that alternate world!!!

America or bust!!

18 posted on 06/02/2006 1:24:29 PM PDT by bubman
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To: xzins
It's called "Muddying the Waters".

In this case it mutes any clean shoots by our soldiers and lumps it all in with the current MSM Presshole template of "US soldiers on rampages against civilians".
19 posted on 06/02/2006 1:27:02 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: demlosers
It's getting a little too choreographed.
20 posted on 06/02/2006 1:31:07 PM PDT by philman_36
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