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French tell US beauties, spare your blushers
Scotland on Sunday ^ | June 4, 2006 | ELAINE SCIOLINO

Posted on 06/03/2006 11:33:01 PM PDT by MadIvan

TYPICAL French chic or bare-faced cheek? The simmering diplomatic war between France and the United States has taken an ugly turn after French women accused their American counterparts of being "painted dolls".

French madames don't wear make-up, or at least pretend not to. Their new goal is to glow, with invisible pores and highly polished skin. Too much make-up, they claim, makes a woman seem older, or worse still, appear as if she makes a living walking the streets.

And they have singled out American women as the worst examples, while putting forward their own versions of perfection such as actresses Juliette Binoche and Audrey Tautou.

Led by French fashion experts, the attack will stoke tensions based on cultural differences that neither country pretends to understand. Laura Mercier, the French creator of a line of cosmetics, who lives in New York, said: "It really astonishes me the way American women wear so much make-up.

"In the US, even teenage girls are overly made up. And when you are overly made up, you send out the message that you are overly sexual, that you want to be visible to attract men."

By contrast, Mercier added: "French women are not flashy. They must be subtle. The message must not be: 'I'm spending hours on my face to look beautiful.'"

Michèle Fitoussi, one of France's leading social commentators and a columnist at French Elle magazine, branded the "painted-doll" look "vulgaire".

Certainly, the French delight in placing themselves in opposition to the US, no matter what the topic - food, wine, diplomacy, and now beauty. A recent issue of French Elle poked fun at what it called the "too much" look of "California Beauty", illustrated by a model in a shocking pink shirt, bicycle shorts, an orange print scarf, mirrored sunglasses, a Louis Vuitton handbag and gaudy, gold, high-heeled sandals, earrings, necklaces, chain belt, bangles and rings.

The French say Nicole Richie and Britney Spears have adopted the "overdone" look, while Madonna is forgiven since she is seen as a hard-nosed businesswoman and free spirit.

Jennifer Lopez escapes criticism because she is Hispanic and therefore culturally more exotic.

But the French disdain is aimed less at specific women and more at the overall 'overdone' look. This season, the unadorned look is more in vogue than ever in France. The weekly magazine L'Express calls it "Le no make-up" look.

To women in France, it represents something more profound than simply one's taste in skin care. Make-up is also the mark of the desperate housewife type who tries too hard.

They cite Yves Saint Laurent's famous quote: "The most beautiful make-up for a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy."

Even for Olivia Hollert, a 22-year-old nurse who considers herself a make-up fanatic, Americans overdo it.

"American girls worship the cult of the 'ideal woman'," she said. "No part of the face seems to be forgotten. And when you use too much make-up, it means you are hiding from yourself."

In a poll by the market research group Mintel, 64% of American women said they sometimes used foundation, compared with 47% of French women; 81% of Americans use lipstick, compared with 70% of French women, and 59% of Americans use blusher, compared with 43%.

The image "du jour" of "le no make-up" look is Audrey Tautou, with magazines featuring the 29-year-old Da Vinci Code star without jewellery or any visible make-up, except for a slight tint on her lips. Even her beauty marks have not been airbrushed away.

Actresses Juliette Binoche and Nathalie Baye are also regularly featured in magazines for embracing the natural look

In political circles, the Socialist politician Ségolène Royal, a presidential contender, is successfully seducing the country in part because of her grass-roots style, broad smile and fresh-faced look. When she had an upper tooth straightened last year, the daily newspaper Libération labelled it an un-French act.

"The French people's favourite Socialist is now endowed with an American smile," Libération wrote.

That may be because French women still lag far behind Americans in cosmetic surgery and sundry injections aimed at making them appear less flawed.

Catherine Deneuve, for example, with her painted face, is sometimes seen as an object of pity. Deneuve, 62, the icily beautiful star of Belle De Jour, was once considered so perfect that she was named France's "Marianne", the idealised embodiment of the French Republic. She now admits to wearing make-up even when she is gardening.

"Poor Catherine," said Terry de Gunzburg, creator of the By Terry make-up line. "She let herself get hooked by the syndrome of Dorian Gray, of eternal youth. It's sad."

On the whole, French women like to portray themselves as more balanced, more inclined to pamper themselves and take pleasure in daily rituals than Americans. In its most extreme form, the US is seen as a youth-obsessed, throwaway, quick-fix culture where women are more likely to look artificially young and totally "done".

Instead, French women invest more time aiming for perfect, blemish-free skin.

Even French women of modest means are much more likely than American women to get treatments in spas or clinics that scrub, polish, buff, massage and cream their skins.

In this, the French government is complicit. Any woman who can claim to have a medically diagnosed skin condition, from eczema to acne, can receive a regimented "thermal cure" at spas in France once a year.

The French taxpayer covers as much as 65% of the cost.


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KEYWORDS: fashion; france; us; women
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To: MadIvan

I'm an American woman living in France and it is true the women here, in general, have a certain style and natural beauty. I rarely see a young woman with much make-up, although older ladies tend to wear it more. The skin care business is booming - my favorite products are from Yves Rocher (also available in the US).

I don't know why everyone thinks that French women do not shave or wear deodorant. I am sensitive to odor issues and have only twice been overcome by someone's fumes in almost a year and a half of living here. Both times were due to immigrants, not native French. Skirts and short pants are popular here, so it would be easy to tell if someone wasn't shaving. I've never seen a girl with unshaven legs here, although I'm sure they do exist. It's just not on a grand scale, as everyone seems to think.


51 posted on 06/04/2006 2:46:16 AM PDT by Minette
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To: MadIvan

I finally found something the French say I can agree with..


52 posted on 06/04/2006 3:52:12 AM PDT by ken5050 (GWB, Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, freed hundreds of millions.# of Nobel PeacePrizes: ZERO)
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To: Minette
Bonjour, mademoiselle.....LOL

Seriously, all those on this thread who will agree with this POV ( including moi) are American males who are tired of waiting incessantly for women to finish "putting on their faces" ( now there's a expression for you) and the endless trips to the powder room to "freshen up"

Want to see a female have a panic attack?. Watch when they're going out for a big night on the town, all dolled up, and they're carrying one of those very small, very expensive purses...which holds nothing..and they try to figure out what to put in it...I've had to carry my wife's and years back, daughters COMPACTS in my jacket pocket more times than I care to admit..

53 posted on 06/04/2006 3:58:56 AM PDT by ken5050 (GWB, Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, freed hundreds of millions.# of Nobel PeacePrizes: ZERO)
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To: MadIvan
The French taxpayer covers as much as 65% of the cost.

Snort. They may be beautiful, but I can't say much for their brains.

54 posted on 06/04/2006 4:06:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MadIvan

This, from the country that gave use mimes?


55 posted on 06/04/2006 4:09:39 AM PDT by horse_doc
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To: MadIvan

The prettiest girls in the world are in Texas, followed by North Carolina. France, way far down the list from there, ranks only slightly ahead of West Virginia.


56 posted on 06/04/2006 4:11:57 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: MadIvan
I think it's really hard to peg any given society for it's women. I mean outside of the obvious disdane for hygeine the French have, they have their share of beautiful women. OTOH, America has some of the most impressively gorgeous women in the world, moreso than any other country. That's also because many other gorgeous women come to America if at all possible and become gorgeous "American" women.

My legal, naturalized American citizen "Colombian Import" for example...

Two kids and she looks like...ah-HEM!...

At any rate, the French impress me not at all. Been there, and dealt with their idea of femine beauty. Their women are brilliant and beautiful, however having experienced it, I can state that cat-wretch smells better. For those who learn the function of a bar of soap, I have great hope, so they are not a complete write-off. That being said, the French should not be regarded in any matter of beauty until they have mastered the dark secrets of personal hygeine as a whole.

57 posted on 06/04/2006 4:16:08 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MadIvan

The thing that bothers most of the French, is that most Americans really don't care what they think.


58 posted on 06/04/2006 4:23:38 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: MadIvan

If this author is judging by the newsreaders on Fox and other "news" channels she has a point about the painted look. French women take great pride in having beautiful skin.

Ask me if I care what French women think!


59 posted on 06/04/2006 4:25:53 AM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Caipirabob

Vizcaya?


60 posted on 06/04/2006 4:59:06 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: MadIvan
How's this for American beauty?


61 posted on 06/04/2006 5:11:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
French women have an awareness and self-acceptance their Yankee cousins lack. Their resources are usually limited; thus, a great deal of time and thought is spent on each purchase. The French ladies do not have closets full of clothes. They have one good outfit.

As for make-up, what was true for Grandmother is true today: To be well made up, one should look as though they weren't wearing ANY.

62 posted on 06/04/2006 5:12:02 AM PDT by doberville
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To: MadIvan
Now, c'mon, French make-up experts. Tell the truth. Even if you don't call a week's worth of grime on your face make-up, we know it is. We have this really cool stuff over here called soap. You should try it.

Actually, I think this article is just revenge for the American phrase "like a French whore" - used when the blue eye shadow is extremely bright, or the WalMart buy by the gallon toilet water has been applied too liberally. If the French would just wash and shave, they might start liking themselves. Wow, and I thought Catholic bashing was the last bashing allowed!
63 posted on 06/04/2006 5:12:32 AM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: Vinnie
Yes, Vizcaya. We like to take trips down to Miami and visit there, then we check out the Science Museum across the street with the kids. Later on, we'll make a stop at the Brasilian Rodizio Restaurant Porcao. We've got a bunch of new Brasilian places up here near Boca now, so we don't have to make the trip when we're looking to eat. Still, Vizcaya is still really nice to visit once a year or when we have guests.

I'm itching to see some new stuff though. We've been here long enough that we've done all the SoFlo attractions so many times it's like visiting the back yard.

64 posted on 06/04/2006 5:24:02 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cobra64

They both look trashy.


65 posted on 06/04/2006 5:25:28 AM PDT by alnick
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To: sully777

Where can I get one of those cookie cutters? Does Williams-Sonoma carry them?


66 posted on 06/04/2006 5:25:45 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Centurion2000

We killed the server hosting the Juliette Binoche pic.


67 posted on 06/04/2006 5:27:44 AM PDT by JohnCliftn (In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Good Will. - Churchill)
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To: MadIvan
ROTFLMAO. The French can't attack anything, then when they decide to muster some balls, it's to attack American women.
They really could take a lesson from some real American Beauties
Those French whores have a lot of nerve. Too bad it isn't worth anything.
68 posted on 06/04/2006 5:28:06 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: CheyennePress
Goooooaaaaaaallllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
69 posted on 06/04/2006 5:29:46 AM PDT by Shqipo (2006 is Bush Country!)
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To: MadIvan

I am especially enamored of the french-braided legs and underarms of the *keepers of beauty advice*.


70 posted on 06/04/2006 5:31:45 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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To: MadIvan
LOL, French women are upset that American women are happy.

Come on American women, be more thin, pale, smoking, stinking, hairy, secular, Prozac chomping, and drowning in Islamic hate.
71 posted on 06/04/2006 5:32:41 AM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: T'wit
Speechless. What happened to Kelly Bundy?

72 posted on 06/04/2006 5:34:53 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: JohnCliftn

Audrey Tatou has the prettiest, most expressive face I have ever seen!

BTW, the irony of all this is that several of the biggest make-up companies are French based/owened...
Lancome'-Loreal,
Chanel,
Yves Rocher ,
Guerlain,
Expanscience,
Dior,
Clarins,
Yves Saint Laurent,
Lever Fabergé,
Sté Bic,
Bourjois etc.

And lets not forget the perfume industry either :)


73 posted on 06/04/2006 5:35:39 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: MadIvan
Of course our women are protecting the free world...


74 posted on 06/04/2006 5:37:28 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: MadIvan
I would say that this is sort of true, except that the fashion obsessed are them. American women generally have busy schedules and are too caught up their every lives to pay enough attention to "fashion trends". I have a few freinds stuck in the eighties.

God forbid anyone is out of fashion or overweight in other countries. That is more offensive than having smoke blown in your face. I can't say I really saw any exceptionally pretty women when I've been in Paris.

75 posted on 06/04/2006 5:38:41 AM PDT by mgist
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To: MadIvan
As usual, the French are wrong.

I would argue the "no make-up look" originated in California in the late 1960s-early 70s in rejection of the French and English "painted doll" look. (The French always have these funny blind spots...)

What the French are calling a "California look" is actually street Hollywood/TV. And the South has it's own ideas of womanhood.

Message to Catherine Deneuve: if the French aren't treating you right, you're welcome here.

76 posted on 06/04/2006 5:38:53 AM PDT by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
I must confess that I think French women the most beautiful in the world, followed closely by Indian women...I must agree with the author about the "American Beauty" look - it is overdone...but if I could look, walk and talk like a French woman, I would be much more attractive to guys

I think you need some help. As a young American male who gets more than his share of women's attention, I have no idea what you're talking about. French women are only sexy to other women. Good luck to you.
77 posted on 06/04/2006 5:39:18 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: T'wit

man you just ruined it for me. ugh


78 posted on 06/04/2006 5:41:57 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: CheyennePress
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
79 posted on 06/04/2006 5:54:58 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero ╗ with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: MadIvan

"By contrast, Mercier added: "French women are not flashy. They must be subtle. The message must not be: 'I'm spending hours on my face to look beautiful.'""

French women cannot be flashy, as the wombat hair enveloping their armpits, legs, and upper lips absorbs the lights in their vicinity. They are light traps with bad attitudes, who smell of cheap cigarettes and B.O. thinly masked with eau de toilet. AARRRGGGHHH, this brings back unpleasant memories!


80 posted on 06/04/2006 6:16:24 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Bite me California.)
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To: MadIvan

Me-ow.


81 posted on 06/04/2006 6:17:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: MadIvan

> Led by French fashion experts, the attack will stoke tensions based on cultural differences that neither country pretends to understand. Laura Mercier, the French creator of a line of cosmetics, who lives in New York, said: "It really astonishes me the way American women wear so much make-up. <

Stoke tensions? Does anybody really care about what the French think, especially about make-up?


82 posted on 06/04/2006 6:26:58 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: Vision

You disagree with me, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not going to tell you you need help, that would be rude and unkind. I am going to ask, have you been there and seen them, spoken to them? Watched them? Maybe you would change your mind if you had. As I wrote before, as much as I loathe their politics, I admire their beauty and the way they walk and dress. I wish I could be more like that.

Enjoy your happy day mon cher petit.


83 posted on 06/04/2006 6:36:12 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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Led by French fashion experts, the attack will stoke tensions based on cultural differences that neither country pretends to understand. Laura Mercier, the French creator of a line of cosmetics, who lives in New York, said: "It really astonishes me the way American women wear so much make-up'

What really astonishes me are the news stories coming out of France. Articles describing French women having to wear scarves in their own cities in an attempt to pass themselves off as moslem women, because moslem men apparently have the de facto right to rape French women at will. That moslem immigrant 'youths' openly boast in articles of how cowardly are the French and how much fun it is to beat and rob them...All articles posted to FR, BTW.And this imbecile wastes her time being astonished at American cosmetic styles??? But then again, the article says she doesn't live in France any more.

84 posted on 06/04/2006 6:37:51 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: MadIvan
Oh, yes. French women are gloriously beautiful, and American women are slutty little animals.

Trouble is, the dear French ladies will be slaves to the Islamic sausages before long. Such beauty! Such divine grace!

85 posted on 06/04/2006 6:41:24 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: stands2reason
Two words: Pamela Anderson

I was thinking Tammy Faye.

86 posted on 06/04/2006 6:50:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Vision

There are a bunch of these with/without makeup photos on the same page. Check 'em out for your own amusement. I don't recall Kelly Bundy being among them. In fact, I never heard of Kelly Bundy :-)


87 posted on 06/04/2006 7:01:04 AM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: sully777

Thanks--I get sick of that thong picture...


88 posted on 06/04/2006 7:11:06 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: MadIvan

From a recent visit to Paris, I have to agree with the French assessment. American women tend to dress like pop star sluts and often trowel on make up. American pop stars tend to either look like emaciated POWs or overweight slobs.


89 posted on 06/04/2006 7:14:28 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir w÷lle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: JohnCliftn

OK Now get a bucket before scrolling down......


90 posted on 06/04/2006 7:21:53 AM PDT by HighWheeler (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. - Marion Barry)
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To: CheyennePress


91 posted on 06/04/2006 7:27:49 AM PDT by HighWheeler (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. - Marion Barry)
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To: orionblamblam
To quote from a Tom Waits song,

"Go all the way I swear you never could tell."

92 posted on 06/04/2006 7:30:29 AM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen, Meers.)
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To: Minette
Skirts and short pants are popular here, so it would be easy to tell if someone wasn't shaving.[...]

..what?

< ];^)

93 posted on 06/04/2006 7:38:33 AM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen, Meers.)
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To: freema
Ahem: British chick, not American. Note the uniform, note the weapon.


94 posted on 06/04/2006 7:40:05 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: MadIvan

Funny that Laura Mercier is quoted. I have been to many a makeover at her counter and met Laura. There is a TON of make up used to give you the look of not wearing much at all. She was an artist first, and it is all about painting to cover the flaws.

I spend a boat load of money on Laura's stuff, so I might have to change to MAC to get that super-duper made up look (false eyelashes and all).

I see this as nothing but ugly women being jealous. Catherine Denueve IS one of the most beautiful women in the world, and her own people are dissing her! Those French are so freaking stupid!


95 posted on 06/04/2006 7:40:41 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: orionblamblam

Works for me : ) and isn't she pretty too!


96 posted on 06/04/2006 7:43:23 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
I am going to ask, have you been there and seen them, spoken to them? Watched them?

Sure have. You will not make yourself more attractive to men by looking "French". Do a test if you want to. But by being American don't try and be some neurotic feminist who thinks French women have it all. And I was only joking, not trying to be rude.
97 posted on 06/04/2006 8:11:40 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears would have been mocked hideously in the 70's and 80's.

I lived through the 70's and 80's. They have no room to mock anyone.

Clothing has not been stylish since the 40's and make-up today is applied with much more skill and style then ever.

98 posted on 06/04/2006 8:18:27 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Every lady in this land hath 20 nails on each hand five and twenty on hand and feet)
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To: JohnCliftn

Melissa Theuriau, the hottest French news babe ever.

99 posted on 06/04/2006 8:23:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: MadIvan

French singer Alizee, ooh la la!

100 posted on 06/04/2006 8:30:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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