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Who wants to join the Army? They do.
Chicago Tribune ^ | June | Jason George

Posted on 06/04/2006 6:15:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Karen Dandridge, Richard Forrest Jr. and Rolando Medina all graduated from high school last week and live only a couple of miles apart, but they never ran with the same crowd until now.

The U.S. Army has brought them together.

Fresh from proms and final exams, they have made the life-changing decision to volunteer for the Army, even as public opinion of Operation Iraqi Freedom sags and casualties climb. Like the 73,373 nationwide who raised their hands for Army duty last year, these three came to the South Holland recruiting station with their own reasons for signing up.

They will be welcomed into a military that has struggled lately to fill its ranks. Last year, the Army missed its goal of enlisting 80,000 active-duty soldiers by 6,627--the largest shortfall since 1979. Enlistment of both African-Americans and women has particularly suffered in recent years.

The three recruits all live in Calumet City--a town that closely resembles the nation as a whole when comparing economic and social characteristics, including the number of veterans as a percentage of the population.

Thomas Jefferson once wrote to James Monroe that every citizen should be a soldier at some point.

"This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state," he argued, believing that service improved both the military and the man.

This does not happen today in the United States, of course. There is no universal conscription. There is no draft. Instead, people like Dandridge, Forrest and Medina elect to serve.

Their motives range from patriotism to pay. Although their paths to the Army have been their own, they now enter this new endeavor with similar measures of fear and fortitude.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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KEYWORDS: army; education; military; nationalsecurity; recruitment; service
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To: babydoll22

Go Navy, Go Submarines


51 posted on 06/04/2006 12:43:16 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Another bit of Red Dawn trivia: The same guy that wrote Jeremiah Johnson also wrote Red Dawn and is/was a big cheese in the NRA.


52 posted on 06/04/2006 12:52:12 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Coop

Great Post


53 posted on 06/04/2006 12:54:39 PM PDT by exdem2000 (Proud Daughter of a Marine)
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To: babydoll22
I was just home from basic in 1968 at the height of Vietnam. My cousin, a year+ younger than me had come to me saying he was entering the Navy and would train in Tennessee and all the training and benefits he would/could get. His mother BEGGED me to talk him out of it and I did for her sake (funny, no-one from his side of the family had ever had to go in the military). 9 months later, he was in a car accident with some low-life with a fast car (426 Hemi) and flipped a dozen times in a field after leaving the road at 120 +.

He didn't die; he broke his neck and his mother/father spent the next 30 years dealing with caring for him. He died in an automobile accident a few years later.

Your situation? I don't know what to tell you other than to let him make his own decision. If you brought him up right, he'll make the right one. Interceding in someone else's future should be left to those with wings.

54 posted on 06/04/2006 1:02:24 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Criminal Number 18F
(I can disassemble a BAR, construct a 1/4 wave HF antenna, treat severe deceleration trauma, construct an anchor point in earth or snow for hoisting a vehicle up a cliff, and name all the pieces of a Madsen submachine gun... I can command a unit of up to battalion size in about six languages. None of which impresses dates).

Sounds like you need to date a higher class of women! ;-)

55 posted on 06/04/2006 1:25:54 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: exdem2000

Glad you liked it. Made it worth my time typing up. :-)


56 posted on 06/04/2006 2:25:19 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

"What a way to hijack a thread!"

I am so embarrassed. I didn't mean to do that.

I have been completely overwhelmed by the input from everyone who has replied with their thoughts and experiences in the military.

I am going to apologize to everyone who sent me a reply and thank all of them.

Thank you for your input. It was way more than I expected.

God bless you.


57 posted on 06/04/2006 3:12:20 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Gaffer

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Another poster thouht I had hijacked this thread which was not my intent. I want to apoligize to you.

God bless you.


58 posted on 06/04/2006 3:40:54 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: bmwcyle

Thank you for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this threat and that was not my intent. I apologize.

God bless you.


59 posted on 06/04/2006 3:43:28 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Thank you for your reply.

Another poster said I highjacked this threat and that was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


60 posted on 06/04/2006 3:45:09 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Dog Gone

Thank you for your reply.

I will keep your son in my prayers and ask my prayer group to pray for him.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


61 posted on 06/04/2006 3:48:23 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: patton

Thank you for your reply.

Another poster said that I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


62 posted on 06/04/2006 3:51:06 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


63 posted on 06/04/2006 3:53:32 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: babydoll22

Thank you for raising a fine son who appreciates the need to serve. Your post could not be more appropriate for a thread titled "Who wants to join the Army".... hardly hijacking in my book. Good luck to your son (Aim High, Air Force!)


64 posted on 06/04/2006 3:54:20 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thank you for your reply.

Another poster said I highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


65 posted on 06/04/2006 3:55:16 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Vision

Thanks for your reply.

Another poster said I highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


66 posted on 06/04/2006 3:57:39 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Coop

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


67 posted on 06/04/2006 3:59:16 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Coop

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


68 posted on 06/04/2006 3:59:53 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: XR7

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


69 posted on 06/04/2006 4:00:27 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: VRWCtaz

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


70 posted on 06/04/2006 4:00:54 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


71 posted on 06/04/2006 4:01:19 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: knarf

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


72 posted on 06/04/2006 4:01:49 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: pgobrien

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


73 posted on 06/04/2006 4:02:20 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: mystery-ak

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


74 posted on 06/04/2006 4:02:43 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: freema

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


75 posted on 06/04/2006 4:03:07 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Valin

Thanks for your input.

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

God bless you.


76 posted on 06/04/2006 4:03:29 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Bear_Slayer
This is Calumet City IL which is absolutely nothing like the small Colorado town in that movie I assure you.

L

77 posted on 06/04/2006 4:09:37 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: babydoll22

Hello...................................the title of the thread was WHAT?! LOL!!

I'll forgive ya.


78 posted on 06/04/2006 4:25:37 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: babydoll22

You don't need to send umpteen replies to apologize for "hijacking" a thread. One will do very nicely, thank you very much. Next time, just list everyone in the "To:" box, names separated by semicolons.


79 posted on 06/04/2006 4:31:01 PM PDT by XR7
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To: babydoll22

Another poster said I had highjacked this thread

You know what? Screw em, some poeple really need to get a life.


80 posted on 06/04/2006 4:53:31 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: babydoll22
"I (state your full name) do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegience to the same. I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me. I take this obligation freely and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. So help me God."

I don't care what color your son's uniform is -- when he says those words, or some form therefore, he's OK in my book. And you must have been pretty good parents for him to see and respond to the need of our Nation.

As for my service, I'm just an old Army guy. Now at the twilight of my career, I'm mighty glad to see more men coming up to replace old Reagan Cowboy's like me.

Here's what you can do...get a copy of the oath of enlistment, or oath of commission, and read it. Learn what each word and phrase means. Then teach it to him, and tell him what it means to you. If he understands the oath, and desires to fulfill it -- that's a man you've raised! A mighty fine man!

81 posted on 06/04/2006 4:58:08 PM PDT by ReaganCowboy (History books are written by winners.)
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To: babydoll22

You didn't hijack the thread. Your comment was well within the thread topic.

If you had done like so many do, turned a thread into a discussion of how we can blow up illegal aliens at the border, THAT would be a thread hijack. ;-)


82 posted on 06/04/2006 5:05:23 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: babydoll22
My son came to us last week and said he was interested in joining the military and wanted our advice as to which branch to join

First, how athletic is he? The Army and Marines are very physical. Beyond that what does he want to do with his life? What are his interests? The reason they are behind in enlistments is that they are replacing some of the military that Clinton got rid of., so many fields are going to be available to him. Be patient. Be persistent and make the recruiter earn his paycheck. Some jobs do not translate well to the outside world, others ensure you have a job when you get out. Feel free to get with me with whatever questions you have. I come from a long military family and live in a military town. I'd be happy to help your son get the most out of his military experience.

83 posted on 06/04/2006 5:10:58 PM PDT by bad company (The fight will not be the way you want it to be. The fight will be the way it is.)
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To: XR7



Thanks.

Computer illiterate here. Wish I had known before hand.

I just wanted to apologize to everyone.


84 posted on 06/04/2006 5:13:52 PM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: babydoll22

I spent seven years as an Army recruiter, recruiter trainer, Station Commander, and Operations Assistant at HQ...and earned all the awards.

I also worked in a multiservice setting with and against the other services.

Recenlty I have seen the other services in operation in Iraq and Qatar.

I can't be totally unbiased but I'll help you ask the questions that matter and explain the process to you. I have no agenda and it matters not which branch, including reserve or guard, they choose.

I've been out over a decade but have kept in touch with some things....so the technology has changed but the overall system is still the same...interview, ASVAB, physical, session with the counselor, enlistment into delayed entry and accession into active duty.

So ask and I'll try to help.


85 posted on 06/04/2006 5:18:53 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

which branch is dependent on his goals and aspirations. each branch has something unique to offer.

by all means, talk to all the recruiters with him and you can probably determine who to believe and not.

if he has any questions, posting them on FR would garner quick and honest answers.

good luck, souonds like a great kid.


86 posted on 06/04/2006 5:19:42 PM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Enlistment of both African-Americans and women has particularly suffered in recent years.

I wonder why?

87 posted on 06/04/2006 5:27:50 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: babydoll22
Another poster said I had highjacked this thread which was not my intent. For that I apologize.

I think that comment was in jest. Your question fits in exactly with the topic of this thread, and it shows you want the best for your son. I hope whatever he ultimately decides works out in all of your best interests.

88 posted on 06/04/2006 5:29:29 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: babydoll22

Oh, cripes! I wasn't being negative about "thread-hijacking." I thought I was making a joke. Now I'm embarrassed.

Best of luck to you and your son!

cheers

-=K=-


89 posted on 06/04/2006 6:07:02 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (America has no native criminal class, apart from Congress -- Mark Twain)
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To: babydoll22
The short answer is to have him talk to all the branches. I would even encourage you or your husband to go with him when he does.

I looked at what skills my son was lacking in, and figured the Marines would give him a better skill set in which to live the rest of his life. His mother was screaming Air Force and still is.
90 posted on 06/04/2006 6:57:55 PM PDT by glaseatr (Proud Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep A. 2/5 Cav died Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: glaseatr

I just noticed your tagline. My sincere condolences on the loss of your brave nephew. And my sincere thanks for your son's service to our country.


91 posted on 06/05/2006 7:01:54 AM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

I took it as a joke. :-) Don't be embarassed. Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well on the 'Web.


92 posted on 06/05/2006 7:02:47 AM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: bmwcyle
Ah yes, subs.

200 men go down, 100 couples come back up.

Or so I've been told.

93 posted on 06/05/2006 6:44:17 PM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Jotmo

Only gays tell that joke, you must be gay.


94 posted on 06/05/2006 6:45:55 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: bmwcyle
It was told to me by an ex Sub mariner. (Sea Wolf) So, draw your own conclusions.

Don't let your imagination get carried away with you now.

95 posted on 06/05/2006 6:54:30 PM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks.

Sorry I misunderstood.

God bless you.


96 posted on 06/06/2006 2:54:02 AM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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