Skip to comments.US-Russia relations deteriorating sharply, experts warn
Posted on 06/06/2006 11:22:15 PM PDT by vertolet
Relations between the US and Russia are deteriorating badly and there is a danger of conflict in the flashpoints of the south Caucasus, according to senior former officials and corporate leaders advising the EastWest Institute (EWI).
EWI board members at the think-tank's annual meeting in Charleston were almost unanimous in calling for moves to prevent what one called an emerging "cold peace" between the US and Russia.
John Mroz, founder and president of EWI, called the deterioration worrisome. He placed the trend in the context of growing distrust between the major powers, including China, with the world in a state of transition between globalised and marginalised societies "no longer on automatic pilot moving towards a market-centric world".
This had resulted in the rise of ethnic and nationalist identities, with growing numbers seeing globalisation threatening their cultures and religion.
Western societies were also losing their moral authority, he said, citing the example of the reported massacre of Iraqi civilians by US troops in Haditha which would inflict "enormous damage" on the US.
Several speakers - who under EWU guidelines spoke on condition of anonymity - expressed concerns that "populist" presidents in Taiwan and Georgia risked overplaying their nationalist hands and triggering military incidents or conflict between the US and China, and the US and Russia.
With Montenegro newly independent, and Kosovo on the way to statehood, the dangers of domino-style conflict were rising in the breakaway, Russian-backed enclaves of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia.
"Georgia is an alarming situation and worse than thought," said one former official.
"The mood is ugly and getting uglier," said a corporate executive on the state of US-Russia ties.
Noting that every declared US presidential candidate was "bashing Russia", one speaker predicted a worsening trend as both countries headed towards elections in 2008.
Established in 1980, EWI describes itself as a "do-tank", working mostly behind the scenes directly with governments to address global security concerns. In the mid-80s it arranged "non-meetings" of senior US and Soviet defence officials in Budapest to discuss confidence-building measures.
Under a new initiative, Germany has seconded Ortwin Hennig, a senior official dealing in conflict prevention, to EWI to head a task force on US-Russia relations. Washington and Moscow are also each appointing a senior diplomat to focus on the south Caucasus. EWI is working with diplomats from all sides preparing for the G8 summit in St Petersburg next month.
This almost isn't worth responding to. A group of high hats overcome with concern and worries and the sky falling take it upon themselves to wedge in-between world powers... wait no.
A group of high hats wedge in-between a world power and a country with rusting weapons to keep us from upsetting the little guy.
Sorry, I don't buy any of it. Sounds like more whining from the "I'm concerned" crowd.
On second thought...
What do you do when you're losing the legislature, courts, mayors, governors, presidency, talk radio, the media, and so forth?
You form special interest groups that no one ever hears nor cares about.
What? Russia is not our friend?? I am shocked, shocked, I tell you!
Now is as good a time as any over the past 50 years. Advantage is America's.
anymore it seems these geo-political commentators are nothing more than celebrated gossips on the phone all day with their girlfriends.
More "sky is falling" crap from another "independent" non-profit?
What's this guy's political affiliation and to whom has he donated moolah?
The only thing Russia exports to the U.S. is slutty, manipulative ex-prostitutes who find a sucker to marry them and bring them into the country.
Russia was never our friend. Cheney just called a spade a spade and the Russkies had a hissy-fit. What, did they expect the U.S. to be all lovey-dovey with them after the Cold War?
Financial Times aka Chicken Little : "The sky is falling..The Sky is falling"
Who writes this rubbish anyway?
Now, now...Russian & Ukraine women are beautiful and will give American women a run for their money.
the world is changing no matter what the politicos mess up.....
who ever thought back in 1945 that we would be close allies with Japan and have Japanese baseball players in star roles.....
"I think Americans genuinely like Russians and I think Russians genuinely like Americans...."
But try telling that to the moronic Financial Times.
For these suckers, anything to bash President Bush will do.
Ukranian women aren't as evil as Russian women. Both, however, DO NOT AGE WELL.
LOL! Have you been drinking?
I'm sure most American women are pure as the driven snow too, right?
Excellent analysis. More Chicken Little crap from the handwringers. We should be wary of both the Russians and China, but these are for the most part civilized societies. The most eminent threats lie in the radical islamist states that have oil and are now obtaining nuclear weapons. The concept of mutually assured destruction is null and void with these madmen.
Cheney just called a spade a spade and the Russkies had a hissy-fit. ===
Cheney is extreme hypocrite. HE bashed Russia then next day he goes to Kazakhstan to praise Nazarbaev who sits in president chair 4th term continuously. Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian? Russia doesn't have the president who rules for 15 years and no stop.
Whole Russia sees that then people realizes that Cheney is just clown.
"Cheney is extreme hypocrite. HE bashed Russia then next day he goes to Kazakhstan to praise Nazarbaev who sits in president chair 4th term continuously. Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian? Russia doesn't have the president who rules for 15 years and no stop."
I think the jury is still out on Putin as to how long he intends to stay in office. The article made no mention of the deterioration in US-Russian relations that have occurred since Putin came to power:
1. Putin's role in blocking UN action on Iraq
2. Russia's role in cleaning Iraq of WMDs prior to the allied invasion
3. Russian sale of sophisticated naval weaponry to China
4. Efforts to overthrow democratic movements in the Ukraine and elsewhere.
5. Kazakhstan was an ally in the Iraq invasion and is also strategically important.
Cheney was promoting US national interests which is the purpose of foreign policy. You call Cheney a clown. But he has liberated more people and helped foster democracy in more countries than Putin ever will.
Read the Bible. This isn't news.
Well, on that score, you're right. But ANY woman might take half your money.
(Thank God, sincerely, that I've got a good one!)
What's the old joke? "My wife made me a millionaire. I used to have two million."
Our policy of blowing off Russia is bone-headed, if you ask me.
My Stepson married a wonderful young woman from Minsk, Belarus. She is not manipulative or an ex-prostitute. Her values are as solid as any American woman, perhaps stronger. Also, she hasn't been tainted by the American feminist movement. Something that cannot be said for many young American women.
Very old, very tired propagandist trick: the alleged massacre allegedly happened in November, and was reported by one and only diaper-head "stringer" who just happened to leave the American jail-house... and he reported it by producing staged interviews with the alleged witnesses of the alleged massacre.
Nevertheless, the MSM and all the Al-Qaeda cheerleaders from the Left speak about this bullsh*t as if there is hard evidence of it, as if it were fact.
Only those who want to believe this, would.
As to the Russian (KGB rulers) being enemies of America, what's the news?
This question is irrelevant to the topic as well as Cheney's visit to Kazakhstan and what he did or didn't say there - and YOU KNOW THAT, Vanjusha!
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I think it's a mutual blow off. The problem is that we have the most to lose by it since they have vast natural resources, and are in position either to help us, or to help our enemies. If the situation is going to change, someone has got to take the first step, and unfortunately, our government has decided that it is going to stand on "principle" rather than trying to do something constructive. The result is that the Russians are helping our enemies instead of us. In the long run, that is going to come back to haunt us. Looking 20 years down the road, it may be that we are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the Cold War.
Even North Korea is civilized compared to Iran.
"Relations between the US and Russia are deteriorating badly..."
Good. Relations should deteriorate, with Russia supplying nuclear power plants and medium-range ballistic missiles to Iran, bringing Hamas to Moscow for meetings, using the guy whom just stepped down as chancellor of Germany as an errand boy in Gazprom (and don't think their influence over Hillary isn't just as great)---there should be a deterioration of relations with Russia.
"...and there is a danger of conflict in the flashpoints of the south Caucasus, according to senior former officials and corporate leaders advising the EastWest Institute (EWI)."
This part I don't like. I feel US power is overextended on the periphery of Russia and we will be rolled back.
"When did the American trials for crimes against humanity for say, slavery, take place?"
How dare you compare slavery to the genocide of 100 million in the last century.
How dare you compare Chicago politics to Russia which tried to kill the Pres of Ukraine several times - and which has killed political opponents within its own borders by the MILLIONS.
You are beneath contempt.
Critics of the US would therefore seem to be violating your first immutable rule of international relations which is never bash someone who can nuke you back to the stone age. Or does that rule only apply to the US?
Also, who cares if a bunch of leftists in Europe are behind the curve? They were behind the curve in the Cold War as well working to undermine US efforts to defeat Communism. I guess they violated your fourth principle as well which is never, ever underestimate your opponents.
I think that the United States has legitimate concerns with the behavior of the Putin regime-- which is trying to carve parts off of Georgia simply because it disapproves of Georgia's new government. Moreover, the Putin regime is reasserting a socialistic style of economic management-- consolidating ever more industries under state control. The U.S. should actively encourage economic liberalization and individual liberty in Russia and neighboring countries-- which means confronting the Putin regime diplomatically and issuing ultimata when necessary. It also means protecting persecuted entrepreneurs and dissenters when possible.
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5. Kazakhstan was an ally in the Iraq invasion and is also strategically important. ==
So it wasn't about no "democracy" buyt about american interests. It is what I thought in first place.
Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian?
This question is irrelevant to the topic as well as Cheney's visit to Kazakhstan and what he did or didn't say there - and YOU KNOW THAT, Vanjusha!==
Irrelevent are you sure?:) Guy (Cheney) with highest pahos talked about how Russia didn't support "democracy". Then next days he goes to Kazkhstan and praises its president who is like mideival Khan rules there.
Whole Russia with interest watched how Cheney's words about democarcy goes to toilet just on next days. Russian TV and press showed Cheney visits and his words said in Kazakhstan.
Cheney embarrased America wholesale in eyes of even pro-american liberals who left in Russia.
After his this trick NO one can tell now that America is serious on democracy. But everyone tells that America uses the democracy case very selective. SO means russian people will not trust sincerity no american leaders anymore. That is what Cheney did.
He just helped Putin to paint America as selfish hypocrite who uses the "democracy" word just to bash Russia and conviniently overlook this "democracy" if it is in american interests.
P.S. He did even more. He "killed" politically Vlad Rizhkov who was the political leader of russian democrates. Today everyone asks him how much Cheney payed him to meet him:).
I think that the United States has legitimate concerns with the behavior of the Putin regime-- which is trying to carve parts off of Georgia simply because it disapproves of Georgia's new government. ==
Those parts of Georgia became Gorgia under order of Josef Stalin. In 1992-3 those pats liked to become free of Georgia. Then Gorgia waged 2 wars to bring them bakc but failed both. Today Georgia doesn't rule Abkhazia and S.Osetia.
So if we accept Montenegro and Kosovo independence from Serbia then we should accept same independence Abkhazia and S.Osetia from Georgia. If we are for fair and equality of cause. If we selfish hypocrites then not.
How dare you compare slavery to the genocide of 100 million in the last century.
How dare you compare Chicago politics to Russia which tried to kill the Pres of Ukraine several times - and which has killed political opponents within its own borders by the MILLIONS. ==
Spanalot again with your usual bull*:). You know that 100 millions is not that dramatic tell 1 billion next time:). Housewives will be impressed:).