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Paleo-Conservatives Departing The Grand Old Party
Renew America ^ | 6/4/2006 | Bonnie Alba

Posted on 06/10/2006 6:20:18 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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To: Ditter

The Republicans can start representing us or that is what THEY will get.


101 posted on 06/10/2006 8:02:58 AM PDT by Dreagon
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To: Dreagon

See post #99.


102 posted on 06/10/2006 8:03:14 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Neo" means new, and "Conservative" means disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc.

Seems to me that "neo-conservative" is an oxymoron, and their beliefs and deeds bear this out.

Neo-conservatives are not conservatives.

103 posted on 06/10/2006 8:03:54 AM PDT by Washi
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To: Miss Marple

No shouting needed...

Just that the amount of workers "hired" by the FedGov has not gone down...


104 posted on 06/10/2006 8:05:11 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Dreagon
" Stop trying to wave the Democrat boogeyman around, it's a tired old trick that don't work anymore."

The only thing I'm "waving" is reality and facts, if they offend you turn away and perhaps they will be gone.
105 posted on 06/10/2006 8:05:45 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The Republican Party in its essentials has been taken over by a mutation. Wikipedia describes this line of thought as "Neo" or "New Wave" conservatism...it is contrary to many basic "Paleocon" principles.

"Paleocons" believe in the principles of limited government, limited spending and borrowing, limited intervention into citizens' lives, and states' rights. They also believe in restraint of foreign entanglement, a strong national defense and traditional family values.

"Neocons" believe in an agressive foreign policy, empiric intervention in other nations to spread democracy, and global economic-trade policies. Weak on domestic policies, they lack emphasis on national issues. Their vision includes motivating our nation towards what I believe Pres. Bush's father referred to as the "New World Order." Include growth of government and overspending too.

Here I would add:
Neocons, because many came from the Democrat party, spend on domestic programs like there was no tomorrow.
We welcomed them at the time because they were strong Anti-Communists.

As to the Spending: Apparently this is why GWB finds it so simpatico to deal with Teddy and the rest ot the demz on NCLB, Medicare drugs Part D, $$$ billions for Katrina, tens of millions of new Democrat illegal aliens, etc. etc. etc.

For several years many Traditional, Conservative (Paleo is what the Neocons named us) Republicans believed/prayed that Bush was really a conservative. Now many of us know the truth.

This does not mean that I/we will leave the Republican Party, or that we will not fight for Bush when he is right, or when others attack him.
It means that I, for one, will fight for OUR country, the Republican Party, AND our president with my eyes wide open.
Just remember, I am furious about certain errors being made, and will stand and fight for what I believe is right.

106 posted on 06/10/2006 8:06:26 AM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: dakine

Not shouting. Caps are for amphasis, because I was too lazy to mess with italics.


107 posted on 06/10/2006 8:07:35 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: nonliberal

Considering that the GOP has far more conservatives today than in the past 5 decades, I'd think you'd be happy.

When Reagan came to power in 1980, the GOP was in shambles. Rockefeller republicans and RINOS were dominant. Reagan changed that and Newt followed up to flip the congress.


108 posted on 06/10/2006 8:07:50 AM PDT by pissant
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To: nathanbedford
Do you really think it is globalism which motivates them and which might very well cause them to jump left?

I have gut feeling that they will jump ship.

109 posted on 06/10/2006 8:08:01 AM PDT by A. Pole (Evolution has demonstrated that the optimal IQ is the average IQ !)
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To: MNJohnnie
Agreed

Liberal judicial appointments and the elimination of the 2nd Amendment will be the result of any democrat control...not to mention bizarre "global warming legislation".....

110 posted on 06/10/2006 8:08:34 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Indeed. It is sad to see how Rove thinks by flailing at his Gay Marriage dead horse he can revive the Base.

The issue is a non-issue,

First, because it is manifestly insincere, ever since the Administration cozied up to the Lincoln Cabin group and he adopted Xlinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" military policy. And catered to the extremist feminazis in Congress to continue Xlinton's time-table for pushing ahead with women at ground combat positions.

If he wanted to prove sincerity, All he needs to do is simply, publically ditch the above groups agendas and influence, and say that the President hereby issues the following Executive Order:

The IRS and SSA will not recognize any Gay Marriage for tax purposes or benefits, or any other, that any State which purports to adopt same, will not be honored.

He won't do that. "Wouldn't be prudent." But if he did, then based on sticking his scrawny neck out, the voters would have something to actually hang their hat on, and demand of their Congressmen in litmus-test fashion, and oust those who are for accommodating the destruction of traditional marriage.

Second, there are many, many other issues which have finally pegged the meter. Border Security. Amnesty. Port Security. Economic debilitation of the U.S. industrial base. Squandry of the Federal Budget. Constitutional recklessness. Catering relentlessly only to Big Business...ignoring and indeed attacking Small Business. Refusal to admit the inflation they have wreaked. [Inflation FOR THE VOTER, unlike the Feds monetarist delusion, is not wage inflation, it is the price of goods and services]. Refusal to admit the disaster the trade deficit he has incurred poses the nation. Refusal to recapitalize the military infrastructure after 6 long years opportunity to do so. Refusal to deploy a serious, robust NMD, instead playing games with it, only deploying one barely able to counter a North Korean attack alone.

This RINO who snuck in under false pretenses is political road-kill.

We need to make absolutely sure, come heck or high water, that he has ZERO influence in the next round of Republican presidential nominations. Therefore, anybody he supports...or is obviously playing a close game of patsy with such as John McCain...needs to be immediately turned into Road Kill.

111 posted on 06/10/2006 8:10:11 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Clemenza
Whether you are a janitor or an investment banker, you should pay the same amount of tax. No question.

Poll tax! The state would collapse very fast. The rich have to pay much more for a simple reason - they have more resources.

When in late Byzantine Empire or XVIII Poland the wealthy (magnates) managed to transfer the burden of taxation on the less wealthy the state got conquered from outside.

112 posted on 06/10/2006 8:11:05 AM PDT by A. Pole (Evolution has demonstrated that the optimal IQ is the average IQ !)
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To: pissant
Newt followed up

I will argue till the day I die that the Contract With America was the greatest piece of political propaganda in American history. Sheer genius!!

I wish we would have had a better make-up in the senate to pass it.

113 posted on 06/10/2006 8:13:24 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Beagle8U

The only thing I'm "waving" is reality and facts, if they offend you turn away and perhaps they will be gone.



You're just waving the old Pelosi/Hillary boogeyman around in the same tired old expectation of driving us to the poll with it.

Guess what. At least watching Pelosi/Hillary not represent me will meet my expectations. Watching Bush not represent me just turns my stomach because I went to all the trouble of giving them my vote and now I'm wondering why. At least I don't feel stupid if I end up watching Democrats act like Democrats......and it might just help focus a few minds in the GOP if I "turn away" and let them stew a term or two. Might change their tune a little.


114 posted on 06/10/2006 8:14:12 AM PDT by Dreagon
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To: A. Pole
There is one advantage in Democrats winning - there will be a real opposition party in Congress.

The Repubs are a fantastic opposition party. They write those great op-ed think pieces and make great speeches. Their execution is awful.
115 posted on 06/10/2006 8:14:18 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: meema

Your #106 is excellent.


116 posted on 06/10/2006 8:14:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Dialup Llama
The Repubs are a fantastic opposition party. They write those great op-ed think pieces and make great speeches. Their execution is awful.

So where is the opposition party now?

117 posted on 06/10/2006 8:15:48 AM PDT by A. Pole (Evolution has demonstrated that the optimal IQ is the average IQ !)
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To: nonliberal

They got several things through, much to Clinton's chagrin.


118 posted on 06/10/2006 8:15:48 AM PDT by pissant
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To: A. Pole
Rats are known to leave sinking ships.


119 posted on 06/10/2006 8:16:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: meema
This does not mean that I/we will leave the Republican Party, or that we will not fight for Bush when he is right, or when others attack him. It means that I, for one, will fight for OUR country, the Republican Party, AND our president with my eyes wide open.

Bump.

Just remember, I am furious about certain errors being made, and will stand and fight for what I believe is right.

Ditto.

120 posted on 06/10/2006 8:18:07 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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