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Common Sense Flag Etiquette
http://steven.newton1.home.att.net/ ^ | 2006 | Steve Newton

Posted on 06/14/2006 2:02:56 PM PDT by Steve Newton

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To: partialpressures
So many times in our efforts to be patriotic, I think we forget the actual rules.
I like the writer's message that even if what you do is "wrong", if you do it out of patriotism or respect it's OK. The American flag (or any other) represents a people and/or ideals. It's NOT (in my opinion) a holy relic or museum piece. Disrespect for a flag will never destroy a nation of people or their values nor will elevating a piece of fabric to holy status elevate un-deserving people. just my opinion.
41 posted on 06/14/2006 3:10:05 PM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: Steve Newton
Who do I call when I see a Flag that should be replaced or is being treated disrespectfully?

A neighbor of mine had the U.S. flag flying from a staff attached to the garage. After a heavy rain/wind storm it slid down the staff and was resting against the garage wall. After about two weeks (no exaggeration) with no attempt to remove, or fly the flag properly, I copied a page off the internet on proper flag etiquette and put it in their mailbox. They got the message ... within a day the flag came down and I haven't seen it flown since ... this incident occurred last fall.

42 posted on 06/14/2006 3:11:14 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; holdonnow; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; ...



LONE STAR LIGHT & MAGIC

43 posted on 06/14/2006 3:12:38 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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To: devolve

Lovely - just beautiful devolve!! Great way of presenting it!


44 posted on 06/14/2006 3:16:29 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: BluH2o

Good for you my friend

Steve


45 posted on 06/14/2006 3:20:03 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Paperdoll
There has been a flag flying on my house 24/7/365 since 9-11-2001, and there will be a flag there until the day I die, or the war is over, which ever comes first.

As you can imagine I've gone trough quite a few flags. I send them to the VFW and they have a ceremony of disposal, it's moving, you should see one.

The business of honorably disposing of these flags has gone through the roof for the VFW, and the American Legion since 9/11, and that's a good thing. There is no charge for the disposal (you can contribute if you like) packing and shipping is your responsibility, or you can drop it off at the local posts of the American Legion or the VFW.

I attended one of these ceremonies once, about 2 years ago, on Memorial Day. It is moving, and inspiring. To see these honorable Vets take so much care with these flags that are to be destroyed is a heart filling experience. They put the flags to fire as if they were fallen comrades. It's really moving.

46 posted on 06/14/2006 3:23:49 PM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: Steve Newton

I made it up one day.


47 posted on 06/14/2006 3:30:46 PM PDT by raygun
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To: raygun

Well

I like it

Steve


48 posted on 06/14/2006 3:32:08 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo



WHIPPLE GREAT STAR FLAG



GADSDEN FLAG


49 posted on 06/14/2006 3:49:32 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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To: devolve

Ahaa, you are outdoing even yourself!! Very nice.


50 posted on 06/14/2006 3:51:33 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Publius6961
I further assume that "common sense" covers a wide variety of other things. The flag is 50 white stars on a blue field together with seven red and six white stripes. Anything else in not a flag, unless a small part of it was actually cut out of a real flag.

Which will be amusing if this country is dumb enough to actually pass some sort of amendment banning flag-burning, as you'll see a sudden burst of people happily burning 51 and 49 star flags they have specially made with no risk.

51 posted on 06/14/2006 3:56:44 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: proudmilitarymrs
"Q. Do YOU believe in the Flag Amendment?

If you support the Flag Amendment, you support more American flags being burned or defiled in this country, because that's precisely what will happen.

52 posted on 06/14/2006 4:00:20 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: potlatch


I'd been going to upsize the Whipple Flag for a while now -

Much better 544 wide


53 posted on 06/14/2006 4:01:38 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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To: Steve Newton

What angers me is the flag flying at half mast every time you turn around. Every city, state or even schools do it to "honor" anyone who died that they happen to know!

I was always under the assumption that the flag could only be flown at half staff for dead presidents, or at the order of the sitting president. But that, every last city, school or church could not do this with their own flag and flag pole.


54 posted on 06/14/2006 4:15:32 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: devolve

OUTSTANDING

Steve Newton


55 posted on 06/14/2006 4:17:31 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I agree 100%

Lowering the Flag for every Tom, Dick and Harry degrades the importance of the act.

Steve


56 posted on 06/14/2006 4:19:50 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: RedBeaconNY; Steve Newton

You can cremate a flag in a campfire, or even a hibatchi, if the service is somber and respectful. Appropriate dates for this would be Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Labor Day, VJ, VE Day, Armistace Day, Voting Day, etc. The flag being retired should be on prominant display, for all to see, the ceremony should be either the first, or the last event (as seems most fitting).

The flag should be held horizontally, and a Salute should be rendered by all present, i.e. standing at attention with right hand over heart, men's headress held in right hand draped over left shoulder. The flag should be cut length wise separating the stripes from the upper half which includes the Canton. Next the Canton is cut from the remaining stripes. The three piece comprise an ex-flag and as such the three pieces are ready to be burned. The Canton should be retained until the end of the ceremony.

Be aware that some present may have a custom that says the flag should only be ripped, not cut. Also know that there is a number of very patriotic people who feel that cutting or ripping the flag in any manner is a desecration of the flag and they will be biting their tongues hard as you do so. (If you do cut the flag, perhaps you may want to consider doing this prior to the ceremony in consideration of those who might find this part traumatic.) You may want to discuss the ceremony with those who will be present.

A reading shoud be delivered, and a strip cut off of the flag and immediately immolated, all present should remain totally silent, and at attention as described above.

Any "reading" that seems to strike you as being respectfull is sufficient. The following are suggestions:

SOME PEOPLE CALL ME "OLD GLORY", OTHERS CALL ME THE "STAR SPANGLED BANNER". WHATEVER THEY CALL ME, I AM YOUR FLAG, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I WAS BORN ON JUNE 14TH, 1777. SINCE 1818, I HAVE REMAINED IN THE FORM YOU SEE NOW, UNCHANGED EXCEPT TO ADD A NEW STAR EACH JULY 4TH AFTER A NEW STATE JOINED THE UNION. I AM YOUR FLAG.

MY FIRST STATE WAS VIRGINIA, THEN MASSACHUSETTS, NEW YORK, MARYLAND, CONNECTICUT, RHODE ISLAND, DELAWARE, NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, NEW JERSEY, NEW HAMPSHIRE, PENNSYLVANIA, AND GEORGIA. THE ORIGINAL THIRTEEN COLONIES. I AM YOUR FLAG.

WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. --THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

FOUR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS AGO OUR FATHERS BROUGHT FORTH ON THIS CONTINENT A NEW NATION, CONCEIVED IN LIBERTY, AND DEDICATED TO THE PROPOSITION THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

AND SO, MY FELLOW AMERICANS: ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU- ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY.

IF THERE MUST BE TROUBLE LET IT BE IN MY DAY, THAT MY CHILD MAY HAVE PEACE. --THOMAS PAINE

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH - PATRICK HENRY

HOUSTON, TRANQUILITY BASE HERE. THE EAGLE HAS LANDED.

THAT'S ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN, THAT'S ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND.

LAFYETTE, WE HAVE RETURNED

E PLURIBUS UNEM

I AM YOUR FLAG

The Canton is immolated last, and everybody is invited to sing "America, The Beautiful". Those who decline will have their hands nailed to their hearts instead.

Everyone should otherwise stand quietly until the flag is completely burned to ashes, all parts unrecognizable as having belonged to any sort of flag. At which point everybody is called to attention by the charge de affaires, and then are dismissed. The ashes can be collected and dispersed in a place of honor, your garden, favorite trout stream, fishing grounds, scattered into the wind sitting in your deer blind, or from the top of the peak of your favorite ski resort, or drive out to some corn/wheat/rhutabago/etc fields and scatter the ashes there, or upon the grave of some deceased veteran (whether you know them or not).

The key is respect. Respect for our flag, and our country. Respect for others. There are many different flag retirement ceremonies you can conduct, and you could certainly design a ceremony yourself. The only requirement is that you conduct the ceremony in a "dignified" manner. Do this, and most people will be sincerely moved.


57 posted on 06/14/2006 4:21:52 PM PDT by raygun
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To: Strategerist

per #52

How so?


58 posted on 06/14/2006 4:24:51 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: raygun

OUTSTANDING

Steve


59 posted on 06/14/2006 4:27:38 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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History of the official
Whipple American Flag of 1912

http://whipple.org/blaine/whippleflag.html


60 posted on 06/14/2006 4:40:21 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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