Posted on 06/14/2006 3:57:43 PM PDT by wagglebee
This back and forth is so stupid. The school violated the law to further their gay agenda, the parents did waht they had to to protect their parental rights not to have their child endoctrinated with the homosexual life CHOICE. The courts and the Governor have and will side with the parents, case closed. Amazing how a liberal will come here of all places and argue against the tide of reality.
You're familiar with conservative values? Fascinating. At some point are you going to stick up for some of them here like the rest of us have been doing?
My husband and I personally know MACVSOG68 and his wife and have had dinner and lunches with them. You couldn't be more wrong that MAC isn't a conservative.
There are a lot of murky facts about this story and some of them done make sense. On either side.
This local newspaper article reflects that there was no police report filed nor a report to the school board. Parker's atty says the kid was not harmed.
http://www.townonline.com/lexington/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=516786
That article makes a little more sense to me than the more inflammatory articles because admit it, if your kid came home beat up by 10 people, there would be physical injury, you would immediately contact the school, you'd probably take your kid out of the school if adults truly watched and did nothing, and you'd file an immediate police report, etc.
Then look at this article from the School Board superindtendent.
http://lps.lexingtonma.org/
I don't know; there's just an awful lot about this story that doesn't make sense. It didn't make sense when I first read about it on FR and it makes even less sense now.
And since we gained a great reputation for research during the Rather fake memo scandal, I'd hate to see us jump on a bandwagon using faulty information.
"He pointed out that the date of the attack--the two year anniversary of same-sex "marriage" in Massachusetts--cannot be a coincidence."
The school -- and or, other -- authorities complacent in this beating should be sued.
I hope some group is taking up a collection for legal fees even as I write.
I don't know whether to commend or condemn the father for his self control -- I would be beside myself.
I would want to have a little "talk" with the parents of these kids; especially their father's(the ones that have fathers)
Okay. I'll gladly stop posting to you. I'm sorry you perceived something I said as being offensive. I'm sorry you took it like that. Have a nice week.
Okay. I don't think we made any personal attacks, but your're the Admin so okay. I thought we were having a dialogue about it. I'll leave this thread.
Well, you know them, so can't argue with that. I just don't understand the argumentative replies, but oh well. :) It's over now. Have a nice week.
done s/b don't
Thanks Peach. I think with your links posted and a few comments from others here, most at least understand that there is clearly another story here. Let's see how the school and police investigation pans out.
http://lps.lexingtonma.org/
I think you meant that for the other fellow (TexasPatriot, I sure hope so). I try not to get too personal towards a poster I am in disagreement with if I can help it. Perhaps someone can show me the error of my ways if I did cross the lines. One can browse easily enough through my previous posts to judge this for themselves.
If showing that a source of information is from a questionable source (a point that my opponent was also alleging) was not personal IMHO.
Peach offers some other more acceptable sources, but selectively leave out the sections where the father explains his actions for not filing a report. Actually two reasons were given...
But... the statement The release also stated the schools had investigated and deemed the assault a "planned and premeditated" attack. ... is a sticker point for the arguement... no proof that I am aware of has been provided to substantiate that point from the school, but not all are going to tell all yet until courts. If the father of the little boy can prove that point, then this case has major legs. If the father can NOT prove that point, he is just playing a game of I said, you said. Nothing really can be proved (in a court of law that is), just as that lady played the game with Clarance Thomas after the fact knowing good and well that time made it impossible to prove it.. I am not saying that the court would be representive of the truth, but just basically talking provability in only court here
What is NOT in question is the fact that the lady that runs that web site used by my opponent, was/is fighting for homosexual rights. Her methods are in black in white for all to read in my posts above. Perhaps my opponent didn't fully understand what the lady that ran that web site was. I had to dig to find it myself. That in itself is an interesting question.
Also not in question is my opponents character. I honestly believe he means well, I have no question of his character off of this forum. We just took different sides of an arguement that prehaps can not be proved with what limited information we are given. I imagine 98% of all FR posters are good citizens and we would get along in person quite fine.
Just my two cents...
Recently, the media reported on a playground fight at Estabrook School in Lexington, Massachusetts, where one first grade student hit another first grade student. After the media focus on this incident, the Estabrook School principal issued a letter to parents reporting the details of this incident and the school's response, and the Superintendent of the Lexington Public Schools issued a similar report to the community and the press. Because of an allegation that the incident was "fueled and incited by adults (and yes, school officials)," the Superintendent, after having conducted his own investigation, referred the incident to the Lexington Police Department, the Middlesex District Attorney and the Department of Social Service(DSS).
The Lexington Police Department has issued the following statement, "The school department is handling this situation involving two first graders professionally and does not require action from the police." The Child Abuse Prevention office of the District Attorney and the DSS have each declined to initiate investigations, in part because the parents of the first grader who was hit have not filed a complaint, and in part because they found no basis for an investigation in the facts and circumstances reported. The School Committee and the Superintendent have both concluded that the allegation of adult involvement in and/or incitement of this minor playground incident is entirely without merit.
Well, it's pretty hard to argue with that, isn't it? So you were correct and for this you've been treated like dirt.
I'm pretty outraged at what Free Republic has become. We used to get respect. And treat each other with respect. Now freepers argue more among themselves than do actual research and activism.
It is to your credit that you did your own research and didn't fall for the WND reporting. Townhall has lost my respect and will have a hard time gaining it back. I used to think they were a reliable new organization.
Story One
A classmate, who is a friend of Mr. Parker's son, was mad at him because he sat in someone else's seat at lunch. At recess, the boy went over and started punching him. Other children stood around and watched. The playground aide noticed a cluster of children and headed over. She was met half way by a girl who ran to get help. The aide soon arrived and broke up the fight between these two 7-year-olds. Mr. Parker's son indicated to the aide that he was not hurt and that he did not want to go to the nurse. The classmate who started the fight was brought into the assistant principal's office to write a "think sheet". He had to write down what he did wrong, what he could have done differently and how he could make it up to his friend. He also missed two recesses and wrote an apology to Mr. Parker's son. Mr. Parker's son wrote back "that's OK. You can still be my friend." That afternoon the teacher discussed the issue with the entire class using the Open Circle format. At that time both boys had their arms around each other and were friends again. The teacher called both sets of parents and everyone seemed to be satisfied with the outcome. ------------------- BTW.. the fact stressed by the schools that the kids were hugging each other is sorta contrived don't you think, if you were forced to sit in a "open circle format" in front of everyone. Don't you think you were just a little pressured to at least act like you were friends again? Not exactly a natural atmosphere there ??? Notice this is the story written by the gay lady. Is it any consequence that this story shows the most unrelated of all the stories being presented. Just my two cents.
------------------ Story two ------ just released
On May 17, several first graders were involved in a disagreement over who would sit where in the cafeteria. As a result, upon going outside one child took another by the hand and brought him to a third student in an area of the playground that is somewhat difficult for the adults to see. (The student who was hit said that he went willingly.) All children who saw agreed that the third student then hit the student who had been brought to him two to four times in the chest/abdomen (children’s accounts vary) and he fell to his knees. The student who was hit says he was hit when down; the other children say he wasn’t. One child reports that one student held the arm of the student who was hit; however, the child who was hit and the other children did not report this. The children involved named five children who were nearby watching but not directly involved. Several other students were close enough to see a cluster of students but not close enough to see what was happening. The student who did the hitting suggested that others also hit, but none of them did so. Based on the children’s accounts, this all may have happened in under a minute. The aide on duty saw a group of children gathering, and as she walked toward them was approached by a child that said someone was being bullied. When the aide inquired what was going on, the child who was hit identified one student who hit him, and the other children agreed. The child who was hit said he was not hurt and did not want to go to the nurse. He reported that his feelings were hurt, because the child who hit him was his friend.
The child who did the hitting was sent to the assistant principal’s office and while talking with her acknowledged his behavior. As a result, he filled out a “think sheet,” to reflect on his behavior and choices, missed recess on two days, and wrote an apology. In addition, the classroom teacher called both sets of parents and a class discussion was held about not hitting and speaking up when there is a problem on the playground. The teacher indicated that both parents took the matter seriously and seemed satisfied with the outcome. Following the incident the boys were observed arm in arm at school and subsequently the child who was hit went to the house of the child who hit him for a play date.
Note that in this description of the events.. also every chance to minimize the numbers involved were used. Example in the opening paragraph I used, it said "SEVERAL" students disagreed, but offers no visualization into a number (between 3 and 4 or 8-10) were in the initial scrap... Why not give a more accurate number, probable because they don't want to give credence to the fact that many people involved as the father said there was.
Also note on the second description, a child is in on what is going to happen. How many others were also in on knowing what was going to happen is something I am sure we will never know for sure. But at least we can safely assume that the kid that lead the victim to his beating was in on what was about to occur. That is premeditated btw... One wonders (the school does not give but a glancing description) if that was the kid that possible held his hands ?? Was there more, we can't really tell... The school minimized that as perchance happening, the third description (in the story description mentions many held him). We can not honestly know for sure, but at least the second version finally mentions this is a possibility unlike the first version.
The second description states for a fact that the victim was hit only 2-4 times but then say the account varies. So I was just wondering how such a big crowd gathered around with only 2-4 hit time. I think at age 6 I could muster up 2-4 hits in under 2 seconds. So we are supposed to believe that a group formed in this time (we are lead to believe that only 5 were mainly viewing, but yet others were just watching the crowd gathered around and could not see. I have been in a few fights myself in my youth. I know exactly how long it takes to form a crowd, if it is over before I get there, there is no time for a crowd to gather.
---------------------- Just fishy IMHO... more of it is fishy, but I don't have time to put them to pen right now.. perhaps later.
My hope is that in the future, folks here will do a bit of research on stories that beg for credibility on their face. The main thing though is that the boy is fine and there is likely no threat to him. This whole thing has to be very hard on a boy his age.
I meant to write to Town Hall and you've reminded me that I need to do that. It's the only way they'll regain any credibility; a retraction is called for.
Thanks so much for the link to the school web site; it won't convince those people who are absolutely invested in Parker's story being true, but the lurkers and new people to the story (like me) give it a lot of credibility.
There would have to be an ongoing conspiracy among the police, children's service, and the school in order for Parker's story to be true.
Take care.
You know what the reaction here reminded me of? The old Western movie where the innocent guy is in jail for murder awaiting trial, and everyone at the bar decides he needs to be lynched, so they get all worked up and charge the jail. Truth is, that kind of reaction is not that rare.
I guess though, it is possible that the story was true, just as it's possible that the three Duke lacrosse players could have raped the dancer. But right now, both demand a vivid imagination.
Ann Coulter has raised some feathers over her just description of people that hide behind the victim mentality as a defense of their words. This paragraph not only uses a straw argument, but the victim defense. Yes, some were rather rude, but I wasn't one of them.
I guess though, it is possible that the story was true, just as it's possible that the three Duke lacrosse players could have raped the dancer. But right now, both demand a vivid imagination.
Again, in 2-4 hits just how long does that take? How does a large crowd gather in probable less that 2 seconds. Unless it took longer, or it was premeditated (the kid was lead there, presumable with full prior knowledge that an attack was going to happen). Also, if the scenario started with just a seating problem in the lunch room, why is "several" people upset over it. Sounds to me, it was the attack was planned at that time, and probable with "several" people involved in the decision making.
Also, please stop and think about the "they were friends again" statement.. This is verified how ?? because they were seen hugging again. But let me put this in perspective. They had a group circle meeting.. Where the teacher puts you in a position of having to please her to make her happy. They hugged during the group meeting it is said. If you have children you know how this works. Brother one hits brother two, you break it up and tell them to act better towards one another, they know if they don't act something like a hug ,that you will take further corrective actions. It means nothing.
Also it is quoted that the attacked victim said this and that. I don't know about you, but having the attacker next to you tends top put pressure on you to minimize the damning information you give the parental person in front of you. Also knowing that person to be not trustworthy in the kids eyes, (if you call a school that pushes homosexual agendas as trustworthy, we will just have to disagree). Yes, just like the parents that joke with their kids that the police will lock them up if they misbehave in a restaurant are forming a distrust of police in their kids eyes of police are good. We know that this victim would be very unlikely to trust a school official at any point because his father has rightfully shown them not to be trusted.
Also, how do we know that any of the quoted he said stuff from the school officials is correct given to us. Again it is an "he said she said" as far as we can tell.
Other odd things, it did coincide with the date of the anniversary for odd reasons. Also, the school said it did have the newspapers (but they were too high to be read) up in the library. But that photo of articles front and center sure doesn't look like it was too high to me. Very odd indeed to keep a two years article on top in plain sight. Did they photographer just grab them and make them on top? We don't know, but keeping two year old articles on that table seems awful odd. The school didn't mention why they had those articles up there, just that they were out of view (sure didn't look out of view to me).
But right now, both demand a vivid imagination.
How vivid an imagination does it take to see that a crowd can NOT form in only 2-4 hits (two seconds or less, I have two boys ages 5 and 7, I know how fast they can punch each other). Perhaps the kid did a wind up longer that some WWF or WWW wrestler does for show. Perhaps the kid screamed at the other for a long time before hitting him, funny no mention of that in any versions told. Perhaps it was more an attack than the school is letting on for fear of some reason.
BTW... the school and the gay lady version say nobody else did any punching or anything. That the kid was not hurt, but that he did fall to the ground. Do you fall to the ground if your not hurt? The school says "The student who did the hitting suggested that others also hit, but none of them did so." Would you as a kid admit to doing so if you were involved? So did the kid quickly punch him only 2 times and suddenly there was a crowd big enough to ask them to join in on a free for all?
Also we have this tidbit... The Estabrook principal has investigated the issue over the past two days, talking to the adults and children involved. The following are the facts as she understands them.
So this is the reason for the different versions of stories. Can you imagine little Johnny sitting with the principal with with parents on both sides admitting he also threw in a punch. Neither did I, but it sure seems like a perfect time to get your answers straight before having to do so before a jury.
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So basically all I can do is muddy the water and perhaps show motives (as only you can at this point). One side says a father is mad because he didn't get his way of not having the homosexual agenda stopped. Someone even pointed out that he might be in it for the money since he has a web site asking for donations (and only two had came in via paypal, one was mine)
The other side says his son was punished for his fathers beliefs.
Which side do I take and why. Well I want to be on truths side, because it will make me look less the fool in the long run. I also know the truth is homosexuality is being pushed on these kids at a very young age and one father took an unpopular stand. I don't think we are in disagreement over those points.
Personally I know how hard kids can be on someone they don't like that fights for morals. I in high school had a very popular science and football teacher tell the class about a man named bubba that tree stumped trained a cow. I casually told my mother about it when I got home, not thinking of how she would react to it. My mom got fire and brimstone mad over the next few days at what had been told to us and made a visit to this teacher finally (after much prayer and thought) and told him exactly what she thought of it. Notice she didn't yank me out of school, she didn't act immediately either. This teacher then later confided in some classmates what had happened and they tried to make my life a living hell (to bad I was so big, they really couldn't physically assault me one on one with much ease). Some of the rudest comments were aimed my way even by the girls, the Valedictorian had it put down on the class prophesy that "I would always be remember as bubba". It was read to the whole school of course to great laughters. My mom meant well, and stood up for what was right, I paid the price (I never did tell her how hard it made it on me that she did what she did). But I know what my mother did was right now and I wouldn't change a thing if I had it to do over again. Guess I was a political pawn too Mac. Glad my single mother of three with no child support was/am on the side of rightousness.
We didn't have the money for a lawsuit even if we thought about bringing one back in those days. But I will say, I never heard another off color remark from that teacher again. I could tell he hated me for telling my mother what he said, but he knew better than dare mentioning it again, one round with my mother was tougher than any football game he had been in... you can bet on that. She gave me something you now see before you now. A man that will stand up for right even when public pressure tries to dictate otherwise
Those that fight the good fight will be rewarded in due time. You will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended" (Mat. 24:9-10). that ‘if they hated Me, they will hate you’" (see John 15:18-19; 17:14; Mat. 10:22; Luke 21:17). Hated by others is nothing to being hated by the One that matters and keeps straight books...
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