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Democrat Assails Rove's Remarks on Iraq ["sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat...]
New York Times ^ | June 18, 2006 | RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

Posted on 06/18/2006 4:34:24 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Democrat Assails Rove's Remarks on Iraq By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

WASHINGTON, June 18 — Representative John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat and Vietnam War veteran pushing for a quick withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, today mocked Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, for championing the war while "sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside."

Mr. Murtha, in an appearance on the NBC News program "Meet the Press," was responding to a speech Mr. Rove delivered in New Hampshire last week attacking Democrats for what he called "that party's old pattern of cutting and running."

When Mr. Murtha was asked today for his reaction to Mr. Rove's remarks, he said: "He's making a political speech. He's sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside saying, 'Stay the course.' That's not a plan. I mean, this guy — I don't know what is military experience is, but that's a political statement."

Mr. Murtha's comments came as the Bush administration pressed ahead with its campaign to seize the political offensive on Iraq — a campaign that included President Bush's surprise visit to Baghdad early last week.

The White House spokesman, Tony Snow, made the rounds on the Sunday morning political programs, saying that President Bush has every intention of sticking with the course he has set in Iraq, even as opinion polls suggest that most Americans are increasingly uneasy about the war.

"The president understands people's impatience — not impatience but how a war can wear on a nation," Mr. Snow said on the CNN program "Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer." "He understands that. If somebody had taken a poll in the Battle of the Bulge, I dare say people would have said, 'Wow, my goodness, what are we doing here?'

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; cutandrunmurtha; dianeirey; murtha; murthaandhelenthomas; murthabdbass; traitormurtha
Murtha, please be on TV every weekend until November, you'll elect more Republians this way.
1 posted on 06/18/2006 4:34:26 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

And, lose your re-election bid!


2 posted on 06/18/2006 4:35:39 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Sub-Driver

We need (well we don't "need") Murtha-fu**er and Dean on every takl show possible between now and November.

Result? Repubs pick up 5 seats in the House and at least 2 in the Senate.


3 posted on 06/18/2006 4:36:31 PM PDT by A Troop 1-14 Cav (By the time you understand women, you are one.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Rove's freedom to travel has been rather restricted of late.


4 posted on 06/18/2006 4:36:51 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: Sub-Driver

Murtha is unstable.


5 posted on 06/18/2006 4:37:48 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: Sub-Driver

Popped a sprocket.


6 posted on 06/18/2006 4:39:52 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Rosemont

"Murtha is unstable."

Don't ya love it?

http://www.irey.com


7 posted on 06/18/2006 4:40:54 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Sub-Driver

If it's going to take men/women in uniform to shut this man up, someone please find said people to carry the message. I'm really growing tired of this "if you never served you can't make statements about the war" nonsense. Someone remind me of FDR and Clinton's service. When the men in uniform, serving NOW not 30yrs ago, stand up this to this man, they are silenced by the MSM.

He's talking about making political statements, duh the guy is running for the dem party leadership as announced last week. Does anyone with a functional brain not realize he's doing exactly that himself!

This is precisely what Ann Coulter was talking about - untouchable vets, untouchable widows, etc.


8 posted on 06/18/2006 4:40:58 PM PDT by Explorer24 (Win in 2006: Show how well Murtha's last exit "plan" worked in Somalia.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I put my money on Rummy kicking his pudgy butt.


9 posted on 06/18/2006 4:42:03 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Sub-Driver

Murtha's office is not air conditioned?

And he looks as if he probably has a pretty fat backside, too.


10 posted on 06/18/2006 4:43:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sub-Driver

The White House lays the trap, Rove baits it, and Murtha starts sniffing it out. C'mon, just a little closer fool...


11 posted on 06/18/2006 4:45:39 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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To: Explorer24

" This is precisely what Ann Coulter was talking about - untouchable vets, untouchable widows, etc."


Yep. Murtha needs to be verbally bitch slapped for hiding behind his uniform when called on his defeatist statements. His defeatism is especially offensive considering he voted to send us to war in the first place and conveniently changed his mind when the polls changed.


12 posted on 06/18/2006 4:45:53 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: Sub-Driver

Hopefully Murtha will keep flapping his yap, It's helping Diana Irey.

http://www.irey.com/


13 posted on 06/18/2006 4:45:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Rosemont
Yep. Murtha needs to be verbally bitch slapped for hiding behind his uniform when called on his defeatist statements.

Right on. Veteran status doesn't make it okay to act like he has.

14 posted on 06/18/2006 4:50:07 PM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: A Troop 1-14 Cav

I think we'll lose a net of 3 or so seats in the House and the Senate will be a wash. Overall a victory for Bush and the Repubs.


15 posted on 06/18/2006 4:50:27 PM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Dump Murtha! Click the logo and donate to Diana Irey for Congress!

16 posted on 06/18/2006 4:53:54 PM PDT by petercooper (Attention Libs: Please remove "Haven't gotten Zarqawi" from your DimocRAT talking points.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Murtha's "big fat a**" sits on top of his shoulders.
17 posted on 06/18/2006 5:02:27 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Sub-Driver
Representative John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat and Vietnam War veteran pushing for a quick withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, today mocked Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, for championing the war while "sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside."

LOL. John "cut 'n run" Murtha...keep it up, buddy. As progress is made in Iraq, you look even more foolish as time goes by.

18 posted on 06/18/2006 5:02:35 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: gotribe

It said "socket" not "sprocket"!
19 posted on 06/18/2006 5:04:07 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: Sub-Driver
How can someone like Murtha, who looks like the afterbirth of a Manatee, call Rove big and fat?
20 posted on 06/18/2006 5:08:29 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Explorer24
The alien media nation acts as if all 39 years of Murtha's military career were in Vietnam. Only one was. And I've had a hard time finding out what he did at all the rest of the time. All I've been able to dig up is an announcement when he was a Captain taking over a small reserve unit.

In the meantime, Murtha's hanging out and participating in a group hug with Code Pink, who has in their leadership people that have blood on their hands from helping the communist leader who murdered Sgts Handwork, Kwitkowski, Weber and Davidson in El Salvador in 1985. Yeah Murtha's a traitor to his fellow Marines all right.

21 posted on 06/18/2006 5:08:43 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Liberals saying "We Support The Troops" is like OJ looking for the real killers.)
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To: petercooper

If I was in PA I'd vote for her just cause she's
a babe!! Of course anybody's has GOT to better
than Murtha!


22 posted on 06/18/2006 5:09:01 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Sub-Driver
They say the camera adds about ten pounds. Exactly how many cameras are on Murtha?
23 posted on 06/18/2006 5:09:09 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Sub-Driver
He's making a political speech. He's sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside

Glass houses! Rock throwing ping!

24 posted on 06/18/2006 5:13:35 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Sub-Driver; areafiftyone; Coop
I would like to make some comments for those working to defeat Murtha in the 12th congressional district in PA.

First it is obvious that Nancy Pelosi got Murtha to carry tht "Surrender Now" water, because Murtha has one of the saftest seats in the house. Look at the shape of the 12th district. It is the most gerrymandered thing you can imagine. Plus it has a 2 to 1 Demoratic edge in registered voters. With moderates it has to be a 70 to 30 or better Democratic district.

Usually I argue against trying to defeat a Democrat where the odds are that long. It is usually a waste of time, money, and effort, but that is not the way I see this race.

Let us say that if Murtha is defeated by Diana Lynn Irey, the repercussions in the Democratic party would be beyond belief.

But what if Murtha instead of winning 72 to 28 wins 55 to 45. This is a district in which a Democrat should win by at least 70 to 30. A 55 to 45 result would prove that in a majority of districts Gerrymandered 54 to 46 to elect a Democrat, a Democrat taking Murtha's positions would lose big time. That would scare the stuffing out of 2/3 of the Democratic members of the house. If most Democrats lose 15 percent of their support they are history. And a 55 to 45 Murtha win in the 12th would prove that to a lot of Democrats. None of them would likely come with in 5 miles of Murtha. His influence on other Democrats would be, in effect, zero. His surrender now position would get far less than 59 votes in the house.

Murtha is taking the risk becuase if the "Bring the Troops Home" ploy fails he believes he will still hold his seat. But if he suceeds, he will be the big dog in the Democrat House. It is our job to see that he does not succeed.

What Murtha has to know is that if he wins by a much smaller margin than ususal, he will prove the Anti War ploy is a loser for Democrats.

In most districts there may be difficulty determining what cost a candidate votes. This fall it could be immigraion, the war, gas prices and in many districts local issues.

In the Pennsylvania 12th, the issue is Murtha's position of "Surrender Now and Avoid the Rush Later".

If it can be shown by the election returns that Murtha has cost himself a lot of support that will change the minds of a lot of Democrats.

It would be wonderful to defeat Murtha. But even if all Ivey can do is make it a fairly close contest, it will scare the crap out of a lot of Democrats. And even if the Democrats managed to take the house, not many would want to follow the Murtha plan for Iraq.

It is not likely the RNC will do much to help Ivey at this point. They are always structured to help those who have the best chance of winning. It will be up to us to help her make the race against Murtha competitive.

I do know this if the Ivey / Murtha race becomes competitive in the final weeks, the Republican party will be surprised and pleased.

Neither Republicans or Democrats do much of anything in 70 to 30 districts. Lets make this one an exception.

Our goal as Ivey supporters should be to do what every we can to help her become competitive. If that can be done, she will have all the help she needs.

25 posted on 06/18/2006 5:19:07 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator

bump


26 posted on 06/18/2006 5:22:53 PM PDT by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: Sub-Driver

While Murtha uses his cut and run position to push for House Majority leader if the 'Rats gain control of the House


27 posted on 06/18/2006 5:23:52 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Sub-Driver


28 posted on 06/18/2006 5:28:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Doctor Raoul

That's interesting, thanks for the post. I always assumed he had several tours in Vietnam, the way he talks and all. Funny how the guys who have seen the least action - murtha, kerry - have the biggest mouths about it.


29 posted on 06/18/2006 5:30:08 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Sub-Driver
On election day this red faced fat alzheimers patient is going to be out of a job..



 
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After 32 years in Washington, John Murtha has become part of the problem. To name just a few examples:

  1. John Murtha – Wrong on Congressional Pay Raises. Since 1995, John Murtha has voted 11 straight times in favor of raising his own pay. (CQ #648, #317, #435, #289, #300, #419, #267, #322, #463, #451, and #327)
  2. John Murtha – Wrong on Spending. John Murtha has voted multiple times to raid the social security trust fund – the key to your retirement – to pay for wasteful government spending projects.
  3. John Murtha – Wrong on Health Care. John Murtha has voted to actually make your health care more expensive. He even voted against tax-free health savings accounts.
  4. John Murtha – Wrong on National Defense. John Murtha actually voted to cut spending on our national security by $76 billion. Then, he voted in favor of instituting the draft! And, perhaps most stunning of all, John Murtha spoke out against the brave men and women who are defending our freedom by calling for an immediate withdrawl of our troops from Iraq.
 
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30 posted on 06/18/2006 5:31:17 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, now, doesn't Murtha have an airconditioned office and a big fat ass?


31 posted on 06/18/2006 5:51:29 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Sub-Driver

Rove has a plan. The more he baits morons like Murtha into blabbing, it will help the GOP.


32 posted on 06/18/2006 5:58:47 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Common Tator
This is a district in which a Democrat should win by at least 70 to 30.

I disagree with this point. Kerry only took 51% in 2004 in PA-12. There were a lot of folks pulling the lever for Bush and Murtha. They'll not be too amused this time around. Murtha has been relatively conservative over the years - pro life and pro military (although with a pronounced yellow streak). With his horrific actions he's almost certainly lost a good chunk of those conservative votes.

If this were an open seat, the Democrat would need to run a very solid race to win, IMHO.

33 posted on 06/18/2006 6:00:40 PM PDT by Coop (Jack Murtha - Semper Treasonous)
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To: Rosemont

...also dangerously overweight, which could be a good thing considering that it is health-endangering...


34 posted on 06/18/2006 6:15:18 PM PDT by mathurine (ua)
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To: Cicero

He's been in DC 32 years.


35 posted on 06/18/2006 6:32:37 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Snapping Turtle

Funny Murtha Ping


36 posted on 06/18/2006 6:50:26 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Coop
I disagree with this point. Kerry only took 51% in 2004 in PA-12.

I have NEVER looked back at a race won and told myself I was foolish for thinking this race was going to be very hard to win. I have never been unhappy for trying to prevent every possible way I could face defeat. I have never heard of any candidate chewing himself out for thinking the task was bigger and larger than it turned out to be.

I have met hundreds if not thousands of candidates and supporters who told themselves the job was easier than it turned out to be and as a result lost the race. They are always filled with recriminations after the fact.

I can't recall a candidate with a 2 to 1 registration advantage and a long time in office losing a race, no matter what happened in a previous presidential race... or what the incumbent did short of being caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.

The dumbest thing a Murtha challenger can do is tell the voters they made a mistake 2 years ago electing Murtha. I can tell you that attacking Murtha as a yellow backed turn coat will not work. The people that voted for him will take that as an attack on their judgement. It is just human nature.

People defend past actions. Let me say it again. It is just plain old human nature. I suspect that the Ivey campaign will try to attack Murtha for his war stand. That has to be very carefully done or it will blow up in her face.

Telling people they did wrong by electing Murtha 2 years ago is a huge mistake. People will react by rationalizing their vote for Murtha in 2004 and repeat it in 2006.

I wonder if anyone in the Ivey campaign knows diddly sqwat about how to defeat a man who has held a post for 32 years. From what I have seen and read so for, I am not sure anyone in her campaign does.

You greatly underestimate the difficulty you face in defeating a 32 year incumbent. You will have a hell of time convincing people who have voted multiple times for Murtha that they have made a mistake in supporting him.

This is Not a Bush-Kerry race. This is a race where no one has ever voted for Ivey and nearly every voter has voted for Murtha. Get the Bush- kerry race out of the head of every Ivey supporter or you will face massive defeat on election day. Think of what the Bush Kerry race would have been if most voters had voted for Kerry from 4 to 16 times before.

Try to think like a person who has voted for MURTHA at least 6 times and was happy to have done so. If Ivey's campaign manager can do that and effect a campaign pitch that takes that into consideration they just might pull off an upset.

I know it is hard to resist the impluse to think that others are motivated by what motivates you. But I can tell you that I learned from the school of hard knocks to never ever do that.

37 posted on 06/18/2006 7:40:50 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
You greatly underestimate the difficulty you face in defeating a 32 year incumbent.

No, I don't. Not by a longshot. You'd know that if you did more reading and less lecturing.

Your claim that any Dem should win by 70% is completely without merit.

38 posted on 06/19/2006 4:26:38 AM PDT by Coop (Jack Murtha - Semper Treasonous)
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To: Common Tator

By the way, it's Irey.


39 posted on 06/19/2006 4:28:17 AM PDT by Coop (Jack Murtha - Semper Treasonous)
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To: Common Tator
You will have a hell of time convincing people who have voted multiple times for Murtha that they have made a mistake in supporting him.

Hey Professor, that's Jack Murtha's task. And so far he's been doing a bang-up job.

40 posted on 06/19/2006 4:32:53 AM PDT by Coop (Jack Murtha - Semper Treasonous)
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To: Sub-Driver

Placemark.


41 posted on 06/19/2006 10:33:08 AM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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