Skip to comments.U.S. Soldiers Tortured: Where Is the Outrage?
Posted on 06/21/2006 9:44:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
The New York Times wants closed. The San Jose Mercury News claims that Gitmo nurtures a culture of death. The Cleveland Plain Dealer wants Gitmo closed. Journalists and editorial staffs are up in arms that there might possibly be some kind of torture occurring.
So what do they say when torture OBVIOUSLY occurs? How do they react when two U.S. servicemen — in -approved uniforms — have their hearts cut out, their testicles cut off, their penises cut off and stuffed in their mouths, arms contorted and eyes gouged? THIS is torture.
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As Satan's most successful effort to date, Islam is, IMO, the greatest threat to civilization IN HUMAN HISTORY.
This is exactly what the Muslims want. This is why Muhammad waged war by terrorism and so have his followers through the centuries. To use terror to rattle and depress enemies with the objective being to get their adversaries to surrender and retreat. This lessens Muslim casualties and leads to easier conquest
Israeli soldiers have also been mutilated this way in wars they fought with Egypt, Syria etc.
Terror is the way Mohamed made war and most Muslims have emulated him ever since.
From the effing Koran:
008.012 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Allah's Apostle said:
"I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220
I thought so too. But additionally I thought these men were going to be brutally tortured.
I have profound respect for the military and people of the countries who get what this war is all about. :0)
Very well said.
Private Tucker's family's appearance on the Today Show:
"We don't understand the big political picture. We understand what has happened. Our son has died for the freedom of everybody in the United States. We are very proud of our son."
Yes, the Muslims have succeeded in shaking us up. But don't think for even a minute that this won't make our service men and women even more determined to destroy this enemy. Ultimately, I think this will have the opposite effect than what the Muslims hoped for.
Should the President speak out?
We are working to fulfill government contracts to deliver defense articles to our Forces. Forgive us if we skip
the street shenanigans.
This was an incident from 2004, not the most recent event.
This is in reference to 2 soldiers who were killed in 2004. Go here for the info: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOLDIERS_AMBUSHED?SITE=LAMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Sorry, still don't know how to put hot links in.
You are correct. The article is about 2004.
We must understand things from the media's point of view. If an item will outrage Americans and make them mad enough to want to fight the terrorists - it must be played down and ignored by the media.
If an incident can be emphasized, stretched, elaborated on to make our military and Pres. Bush look like warmongerers, torturers, world-haters it is ok to publish.
We will not see much information on these poor soldiers because it shows the terrorists as monsters, it incites Americans to want to fight back. The MSM can not allow that - it goes against the agenda of the liberals.
Agenda of the liberals - make the super-power America weak in every way possible to allow weak nations some access to power. Make America's wealth accessible to the other nations wanting to sap its wealth as Mexico is doing. That is why we have environmental regulations, global warming agendas, anti-war proponents, cut-run proponents. Make America the world enemy and allow dictators and terrorists to operate under the radar as these are the ones paying for the MSM and the liberals.
By golly, if the MSM is willing to undercut America and turn it into the world enemy, they would surely welcome financial benefit from those willing to pay for their power. We should look at the money trail of liberals and the MSM. It would probably lead directly to foreign supporters (mainly dictators, weak nations, terrorist groups).
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.
The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.
But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday.
June 20, 2006. See my link in above post for the whole story
Its a lesson I thought all US Military in Iraq already had - they absoulutely CANNOT surrender. They can die, but if they surrender their fate will be terrible.
This is exactly why we are still over there.
In order to win we have to be prepared and willing to do to them what they are doing to us.
The American media and people could not stand us using those type of tactics.
If we don't these things will continue to happen
How the Democrats and media pukes that acuse US soldiers of torture and abuse of Iraqi civilians can ignore what is truely a war crime is beyond me.
Outrage? A person has to care first in order to have outrage.
PC and moral equivalence inculcated into our society by LEFTISTS and RINOs have neutered this nations ability to fight WAR!!!
Where INDEED is the OUTRAGE???!!!
As someone who believes in the Bible, IMO the devastation of Islam cannot be measured simply by the considerable death and destruction it has been responsible for, but for the millions of souls it has held in darkness from redemption.
According to the Bible, Muhammad, it would seem, has the highest price to pay in eternity for his role as Satan's tool in misleading so many souls.
I agree. On another thread it was quoted by the new muslim "leader" that American "Crusaders" were dealth with. I said in reply if its' the Crusades they want, let's give it to them.
No quarter, no mercy, no three squares a day at Gitmo.......just kill them. No more of this "Islam is not the enemy" bullshit, just kill them.
Private Tucker's family: " Our son has died for the freedom of everybody in the United States. We are very proud of our son."
You know - I admired the general on Fox who would not tell of the gross abuses to the soldiers out of respect for the families. But, I knew that that respect would not apply to the press. Even our own E.D. comes and gives publicity to the tortures - exactly what the terrorist wants and why these things were done - to send fear into the hearts of others.
We live in a selfish nation where there is no responsibility to the hurt inflicted on the families when the deaths and horrors can be used to further the agenda of ANY one of the media.
So expect to see more gross tortures because they make the news. And, there is no penalty - even Saddam is treated humanely after slaughtering his own people.
America is to be the punching bag and purse for the whole world. We are to work to pay for the inability of the world peoples to work and pay their own way because of the rule of dictators and terrorists who steal that ability from them.
As long as the purse of America can be drained with merely the cost of bribes to the MSM, we don't have a chance and the world peoples do not have a chance for anything other than life under world dictators and terrorists.
All because of greed. Greed from the liberals, the media, the MSM, the politicians. We are reaping the fruit of our nation's fall into immorality and the loosening of our ethics, our honor, our patriotism.
Look at Mexico - a corrupt nation. That is our future and it is coming quickly.
I'd only heard about the booby trapping of the bodies and had not heard the details of the torture. Words cannot describe ... my prayers go out to their families.
Remind me again why we don't just nuke the place?
Tactics like that didn't work for the SS, and they wouldn't help in Iraq. In fact it would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. We got Abu Mousad al-Zarqawi because ordinary Iraqis are coming forward with more and more intel on the terrorists all the time. Since then we have staged over 500 raids and killed and captured hundreds of AQ in Iraq. Zarqawi considered their situation bleak precisely because Iraqis are cooperating with the new Iraqi security forces. The sight of "Crusaders" executing Muslims would turn the populace against us and destroy everything our troops have sacrificed to accomplish over the last three years.
Top Headlines on some media websites, as of right now:
CNN: "8 troops to be charged with murder in death of Iraqi"
MSNBC: "8 U.S. troops face murder charges"
Washington Post: "Bush Accuses Iran of Dragging Its Feet "
LA Times: "L.A. Mayor to Announce Deal in Schools Plan"
Down at the bottom, LA Times has: "U.S. Investigates GIs' 'Barbaric' Slayings in Iraq"
Fox News: "Gunfight at Fed Prison" However, "Fox & Friends" and O'Reilly both have columns about the tortured GIs, and this: "Two National Guard Troops Killed by Iraqi Patrol Partners" is under Latest Headlines.
And why the American public "tolerates", (to use the pre-leftist hijacking and redefining of that term), the MSM pandering to CAIR and other Islamofascist apologists.
That is the most pitiful comment I have heard on this forum. We all have jobs; we all support our troops through taxes. My point was that we should have the initiative to get out on the street and make a showing. It is not beneath our dignity - is it? Is it not manly enough? If not, signup for a tour.
I, too, am stirred, not shaken.
I think a Phillipines-style response would be most appropriate - but first we need to "clear the room" with a few MOAB's...
Much more of this and I'll be signing up with the pull out now brigade
I agree. This sucks! And further, I want to see some terrorists heads roll...literally.
I want to kill these psycho terrorists myself. My husband wrote me the following:
Do not despair. We are winning this war if you let them get you down, they win. Mourn for a short time and move on; do not despair.
Weve got work to do and we are doing it.
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
The Ranger Creed
Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.
Yes, I believe so. ALthough the military has not released details, what E.D. describes is common practice for those savages.
Their "fear" didn't stop them from taking to the streets and cheering the 9/11 attack.
We've all got jobs.
Paging Amnesty International and Bianca: the Anti-American COWARDLY, PHONY Human Rights whores!!!
Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.
Muslims detest pork, because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from Paradise (and those virgins), and doomed to hell.
The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs' blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.
And for the next 42 years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.
Maybe it is time for this segment of history to repeat itself, maybe in Iraq? The question is, where do we find another Black Jack Pershing?
I saw the clip and the press chose to portray him as shaken. NOT. He was angry and had to choose his words carefully. These were his boys and if he has anything to do with it, hell will rain down.
I heard this on Rush the other day. I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else though. The caller noted that it was a bad command decision to leave them unguarded.
We could take care of that easily with the one weapon we should, but won't use. If we had used one after 9/11, none of our troops would be in harms way over there now.
Let the rest of the world scream and holler. I'd rather they fear us than like us.
God bless your husband. I have all faith in them and never will it falter.
Is it pay back time? Yes.
Go Bush, screw the euroweenies!
Thank you, Tom, for your thread. That is exactly what I was asking yesterday. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?!
Even among Conservative talking heads I was not hearing enough anger and condemnation and call to action.
Now I'm going to go back and read the thread and see what others have said...