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U.S. Soldiers Tortured: Where Is the Outrage?
FoxNews/Fox&Friends Blog ^ | 6-21-06 | E.D. Hill

Posted on 06/21/2006 9:44:51 AM PDT by TomGuy

I'm mad.

The New York Times wants closed. The San Jose Mercury News claims that Gitmo nurtures a culture of death. The Cleveland Plain Dealer wants Gitmo closed. Journalists and editorial staffs are up in arms that there might possibly be some kind of torture occurring.

So what do they say when torture OBVIOUSLY occurs? How do they react when two U.S. servicemen — in -approved uniforms — have their hearts cut out, their testicles cut off, their penises cut off and stuffed in their mouths, arms contorted and eyes gouged? THIS is torture.

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To: AntiGovernment
"THIS is true true face of Islamo-fascism. They did the same things to a French Jew, only because he was Jewish. Islam is the greatest threat to civilization, since the Nazi's."

As Satan's most successful effort to date, Islam is, IMO, the greatest threat to civilization IN HUMAN HISTORY.

51 posted on 06/21/2006 10:20:44 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: TomGuy
Apparently, it is. Yesterday, Gen. Caldwell was so shaken, he could hardly speak. He refused to give much detail at the presser, just saying the desecrations were so bad, that it required DNA to identify the remains.

This is exactly what the Muslims want. This is why Muhammad waged war by terrorism and so have his followers through the centuries. To use terror to rattle and depress enemies with the objective being to get their adversaries to surrender and retreat. This lessens Muslim casualties and leads to easier conquest

Israeli soldiers have also been mutilated this way in wars they fought with Egypt, Syria etc.

Terror is the way Mohamed made war and most Muslims have emulated him ever since.

From the effing Koran:

008.012 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

From Hadiths:
Allah's Apostle said:
"I have been made victorious with terror"
Bukhari 4:52:220

52 posted on 06/21/2006 10:20:49 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Little Ray
"I expected to see a throat cutting or beheading video."

I thought so too. But additionally I thought these men were going to be brutally tortured.

53 posted on 06/21/2006 10:21:07 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conserative Diva)
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To: The Blitherer
I should have qualified my comment (anger overruled good sense I'm afraid), I hate Europeans other than our allies. I hate Europeans who are incapable of doing anything other than whine and complain. I am sick to death of wienie Euros, and contend that there hasn't been a real man born in either France or Germany in at least 60 years.

I have profound respect for the military and people of the countries who get what this war is all about. :0)

54 posted on 06/21/2006 10:21:46 AM PDT by asp1
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To: marron

Very well said.


55 posted on 06/21/2006 10:22:34 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: TomGuy

Private Tucker's family's appearance on the Today Show:

"We don't understand the big political picture. We understand what has happened. Our son has died for the freedom of everybody in the United States. We are very proud of our son."


56 posted on 06/21/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: dennisw
This is exactly what the Muslims want.

Yes, the Muslims have succeeded in shaking us up. But don't think for even a minute that this won't make our service men and women even more determined to destroy this enemy. Ultimately, I think this will have the opposite effect than what the Muslims hoped for.

57 posted on 06/21/2006 10:24:23 AM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." – W. S. Churchill)
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To: TomGuy; All

Should the President speak out?


58 posted on 06/21/2006 10:24:26 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: MountainMenace

We are working to fulfill government contracts to deliver defense articles to our Forces. Forgive us if we skip
the street shenanigans.


59 posted on 06/21/2006 10:26:18 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: stainlessbanner

This was an incident from 2004, not the most recent event.


60 posted on 06/21/2006 10:26:48 AM PDT by Roccus (Cynical romantic or romantic cynic.....you decide.)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
As Satan's most successful effort to date, Islam is, IMO, the greatest threat to civilization IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Their ideas are the most dangerous in history. But since they are no more than a bunch of smelly, backward, goat- and child-raping cave-dwellers, they're no nazi-Germany and can be easily crushed. However, the one thing they do have, is manpower.
61 posted on 06/21/2006 10:27:03 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Let's nip this one in the bud. They were killed by two Iraqis who were supposedly working with us

This is in reference to 2 soldiers who were killed in 2004. Go here for the info: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOLDIERS_AMBUSHED?SITE=LAMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Sorry, still don't know how to put hot links in.

62 posted on 06/21/2006 10:27:59 AM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: L98Fiero

You are correct. The article is about 2004.


63 posted on 06/21/2006 10:29:08 AM PDT by Roccus (Cynical romantic or romantic cynic.....you decide.)
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To: blu

We must understand things from the media's point of view. If an item will outrage Americans and make them mad enough to want to fight the terrorists - it must be played down and ignored by the media.

If an incident can be emphasized, stretched, elaborated on to make our military and Pres. Bush look like warmongerers, torturers, world-haters it is ok to publish.

We will not see much information on these poor soldiers because it shows the terrorists as monsters, it incites Americans to want to fight back. The MSM can not allow that - it goes against the agenda of the liberals.

Agenda of the liberals - make the super-power America weak in every way possible to allow weak nations some access to power. Make America's wealth accessible to the other nations wanting to sap its wealth as Mexico is doing. That is why we have environmental regulations, global warming agendas, anti-war proponents, cut-run proponents. Make America the world enemy and allow dictators and terrorists to operate under the radar as these are the ones paying for the MSM and the liberals.

By golly, if the MSM is willing to undercut America and turn it into the world enemy, they would surely welcome financial benefit from those willing to pay for their power. We should look at the money trail of liberals and the MSM. It would probably lead directly to foreign supporters (mainly dictators, weak nations, terrorist groups).


64 posted on 06/21/2006 10:29:11 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Involuntary term limits for all our representatives - I want them ALL OUT OF OFFICE.)
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To: TomasUSMC

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.

The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.

But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday.

June 20, 2006. See my link in above post for the whole story


65 posted on 06/21/2006 10:29:58 AM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: TomGuy
Who isn't outraged? What does this author want people to do? This story has been widely reported and no one is happy about what happened. I don't know that people are all that surprised though. We all know what these animals are capable of doing.
66 posted on 06/21/2006 10:31:16 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TAdams8591

Its a lesson I thought all US Military in Iraq already had - they absoulutely CANNOT surrender. They can die, but if they surrender their fate will be terrible.


67 posted on 06/21/2006 10:31:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: TAdams8591

This is exactly why we are still over there.

In order to win we have to be prepared and willing to do to them what they are doing to us.

The American media and people could not stand us using those type of tactics.

If we don't these things will continue to happen


68 posted on 06/21/2006 10:31:28 AM PDT by Rhodekill
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To: TomGuy
Thank God they didn't have panties put on their heads, had dogs barking at them or were made to pose in humiliating pictures as that would have been REAL torture according to the MSM and Democrats. (sarcastic comment)

How the Democrats and media pukes that acuse US soldiers of torture and abuse of Iraqi civilians can ignore what is truely a war crime is beyond me.

69 posted on 06/21/2006 10:31:39 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: TomGuy

Outrage? A person has to care first in order to have outrage.


70 posted on 06/21/2006 10:32:57 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on......)
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To: TomGuy
The Senate has defined torture down so far with the idiotic McCain and Lindsey bills and amendments that when REAL TORTURE takes place it is seen as just tit for tat.

PC and moral equivalence inculcated into our society by LEFTISTS and RINOs have neutered this nations ability to fight WAR!!!

Where INDEED is the OUTRAGE???!!!

71 posted on 06/21/2006 10:33:17 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: AntiGovernment
"Their ideas are the most dangerous in history. But since they are no more than a bunch of smelly, backward, goat- and child-raping cave-dwellers, they're no nazi-Germany and can be easily crushed. However, the one thing they do have, is manpower.

As someone who believes in the Bible, IMO the devastation of Islam cannot be measured simply by the considerable death and destruction it has been responsible for, but for the millions of souls it has held in darkness from redemption.

According to the Bible, Muhammad, it would seem, has the highest price to pay in eternity for his role as Satan's tool in misleading so many souls.

72 posted on 06/21/2006 10:37:33 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Tom D.

I agree. On another thread it was quoted by the new muslim "leader" that American "Crusaders" were dealth with. I said in reply if its' the Crusades they want, let's give it to them.

No quarter, no mercy, no three squares a day at Gitmo.......just kill them. No more of this "Islam is not the enemy" bullshit, just kill them.


73 posted on 06/21/2006 10:38:20 AM PDT by Dazedcat ((Please God, make it stop))
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To: bnelson44

Private Tucker's family: " Our son has died for the freedom of everybody in the United States. We are very proud of our son."


Amen
SEMPER FI.


74 posted on 06/21/2006 10:38:44 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: Types_with_Fist

You know - I admired the general on Fox who would not tell of the gross abuses to the soldiers out of respect for the families. But, I knew that that respect would not apply to the press. Even our own E.D. comes and gives publicity to the tortures - exactly what the terrorist wants and why these things were done - to send fear into the hearts of others.

We live in a selfish nation where there is no responsibility to the hurt inflicted on the families when the deaths and horrors can be used to further the agenda of ANY one of the media.

So expect to see more gross tortures because they make the news. And, there is no penalty - even Saddam is treated humanely after slaughtering his own people.

America is to be the punching bag and purse for the whole world. We are to work to pay for the inability of the world peoples to work and pay their own way because of the rule of dictators and terrorists who steal that ability from them.

As long as the purse of America can be drained with merely the cost of bribes to the MSM, we don't have a chance and the world peoples do not have a chance for anything other than life under world dictators and terrorists.

All because of greed. Greed from the liberals, the media, the MSM, the politicians. We are reaping the fruit of our nation's fall into immorality and the loosening of our ethics, our honor, our patriotism.

Look at Mexico - a corrupt nation. That is our future and it is coming quickly.


75 posted on 06/21/2006 10:39:30 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Involuntary term limits for all our representatives - I want them ALL OUT OF OFFICE.)
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To: The Blitherer
Yes, the Muslims have succeeded in shaking us up.

Speak for yourself. I am not shaken but angry.

Anger is the only appropriate response to the barbarity routinely perpetrated by these psychopaths in the name of their god, the Devil, and we should do everything in our power to send these butchers to meet him.
76 posted on 06/21/2006 10:39:58 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
According to the Bible, Muhammad, it would seem, has the highest price to pay in eternity for his role as Satan's tool in misleading so many souls.

I agree completely. It was not without reason that Dante put him in Hell.
77 posted on 06/21/2006 10:40:43 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: TomGuy

I'd only heard about the booby trapping of the bodies and had not heard the details of the torture. Words cannot describe ... my prayers go out to their families.

Remind me again why we don't just nuke the place?


78 posted on 06/21/2006 10:43:40 AM PDT by InsensitiveConservative
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To: Tom D.
I have opined on these pages that the U.S.A. subscribes to such things as the Geneva Convention in an effort to protect our people and not as an effort to look out for our enemies. That being said, we should announce today that beginning tomorrow, the United States Military will reciprocate the treatment provided to our solders by the enemy. Starting tomorrow, we should publicly draw and quarter a dozen Iraqi prisoners in public. Everyday thereafter, we should do the same to another dozen until the bastards who did this to our guys are turned over to the U.S. Army.

Tactics like that didn't work for the SS, and they wouldn't help in Iraq. In fact it would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. We got Abu Mousad al-Zarqawi because ordinary Iraqis are coming forward with more and more intel on the terrorists all the time. Since then we have staged over 500 raids and killed and captured hundreds of AQ in Iraq. Zarqawi considered their situation bleak precisely because Iraqis are cooperating with the new Iraqi security forces. The sight of "Crusaders" executing Muslims would turn the populace against us and destroy everything our troops have sacrificed to accomplish over the last three years.

79 posted on 06/21/2006 10:48:53 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: TomGuy
This should be front page, top fold, lead story ... on every "news" outlet.

It's not.

Top Headlines on some media websites, as of right now:

CNN: "8 troops to be charged with murder in death of Iraqi"

MSNBC: "8 U.S. troops face murder charges"

Washington Post: "Bush Accuses Iran of Dragging Its Feet "

LA Times: "L.A. Mayor to Announce Deal in Schools Plan"
Down at the bottom, LA Times has: "U.S. Investigates GIs' 'Barbaric' Slayings in Iraq"

Fox News: "Gunfight at Fed Prison" However, "Fox & Friends" and O'Reilly both have columns about the tortured GIs, and this: "Two National Guard Troops Killed by Iraqi Patrol Partners" is under Latest Headlines.

80 posted on 06/21/2006 10:50:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: InsensitiveConservative
"Remind me again why we don't just nuke the place?"

And why the American public "tolerates", (to use the pre-leftist hijacking and redefining of that term), the MSM pandering to CAIR and other Islamofascist apologists.

81 posted on 06/21/2006 10:51:18 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: rahbert

That is the most pitiful comment I have heard on this forum. We all have jobs; we all support our troops through taxes. My point was that we should have the initiative to get out on the street and make a showing. It is not beneath our dignity - is it? Is it not manly enough? If not, signup for a tour.


82 posted on 06/21/2006 10:52:22 AM PDT by MountainMenace (E Pluribus Unum! An oxymoron for liberals.)
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To: Beckwith

I, too, am stirred, not shaken.

I think a Phillipines-style response would be most appropriate - but first we need to "clear the room" with a few MOAB's...


83 posted on 06/21/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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To: TomasUSMC
They were killed by two Iraqis who were supposedly working with us. Thats right .... and not only that, Iraqi forces who had trained with the Americans had fired at them twice before the incident that killed Patrick McCaffrey, and he had reported it to his superiors, she said.

Much more of this and I'll be signing up with the pull out now brigade

84 posted on 06/21/2006 10:57:27 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: hophead
I hate to say this, but, we either do what we did in Faluja in these other towns or we need to get the hell out completely. THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT MUST CHANGE to reflect the enemy we are fighting. The Bush administration AND the Pentagon need to step up and go on the offensive and STOP defending themselves in this fight.

I agree. This sucks! And further, I want to see some terrorists heads roll...literally.

85 posted on 06/21/2006 10:57:54 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: SMM48

I want to kill these psycho terrorists myself. My husband wrote me the following:

Do not despair. We are winning this war – if you let them get you down, they win. Mourn for a short time and move on; do not despair.

We’ve got work to do – and we are doing it.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
Isaiah 6:8

The Ranger Creed

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.



Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.



Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.



Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.



Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.



Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.


86 posted on 06/21/2006 11:02:41 AM PDT by Devilish ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." - SEN Moynihan)
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To: 1066AD
Is her description of the two GIs' fate true ?

Yes, I believe so. ALthough the military has not released details, what E.D. describes is common practice for those savages.

87 posted on 06/21/2006 11:03:16 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: newcthem
.the host went on and on about how muslims are "afraid" to speak up........the woman wasn't buying the crap however.

Their "fear" didn't stop them from taking to the streets and cheering the 9/11 attack.

88 posted on 06/21/2006 11:03:49 AM PDT by randita
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To: moose2004
I just heard clips of the President's statement to the euroweenie press. Well said by our President. And well translated by you. ""you're a euroweenie, you're afraid to do anything about Islamo-facism, so shut the hell up, sit down and listen and you might learn something."
89 posted on 06/21/2006 11:05:42 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: MountainMenace
WHERE ARE REAL MEN GOING TO HIT THE STREETS IN SUPPORT OF OUR PRESIDENT AND TROOPS?

We've all got jobs.

90 posted on 06/21/2006 11:07:39 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: TomGuy

Paging Amnesty International and Bianca: the Anti-American COWARDLY, PHONY Human Rights whores!!!


91 posted on 06/21/2006 11:10:53 AM PDT by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: chimera

Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.

Muslims detest pork, because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from Paradise (and those virgins), and doomed to hell.

The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs' blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

And for the next 42 years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.

Maybe it is time for this segment of history to repeat itself, maybe in Iraq? The question is, where do we find another Black Jack Pershing?


92 posted on 06/21/2006 11:11:15 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: TomGuy
Yesterday, Gen. Caldwell was so shaken mad, furious, outraged, angered, full of fury, and wrath, he could hardly speak.

I saw the clip and the press chose to portray him as shaken. NOT. He was angry and had to choose his words carefully. These were his boys and if he has anything to do with it, hell will rain down.

93 posted on 06/21/2006 11:14:01 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: Little Ray
I had heard that the convoy that these men were in had been struck by IED. The Humvee the men were in were left as the other two vehicles pursued terrorist away from the scene. That left them exposed and were jumped by a group of terrorist waiting for them undercover.

I heard this on Rush the other day. I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else though. The caller noted that it was a bad command decision to leave them unguarded.

94 posted on 06/21/2006 11:14:06 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: AntiGovernment
However, the one thing they do have, is manpower.

We could take care of that easily with the one weapon we should, but won't use. If we had used one after 9/11, none of our troops would be in harms way over there now.

Let the rest of the world scream and holler. I'd rather they fear us than like us.

95 posted on 06/21/2006 11:15:32 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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96 posted on 06/21/2006 11:16:25 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Devilish
We’ve got work to do – and we are doing it.

God bless your husband. I have all faith in them and never will it falter.

97 posted on 06/21/2006 11:18:00 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: kevinm13

Is it pay back time? Yes.


98 posted on 06/21/2006 11:19:18 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: daybreakcoming

Go Bush, screw the euroweenies!


99 posted on 06/21/2006 11:20:14 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: TomGuy

Thank you, Tom, for your thread. That is exactly what I was asking yesterday. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?!

Even among Conservative talking heads I was not hearing enough anger and condemnation and call to action.

Now I'm going to go back and read the thread and see what others have said...


100 posted on 06/21/2006 11:21:16 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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