Posted on 06/21/2006 2:38:38 PM PDT by Scarchin
Thank you!
From my keyboard to Tony Snow, I pray.
Um, no. We didn't do this for one simple reason: it would have been wrong. We didn't go to war against these countries, we went to war against the ruling regimes who oppressed their own people at the point of a gun--in addition to attacking us. Indiscriminate killing of these oppressed populations would have been morally and legally wrong. We got the guys we wanted and sought to spare innocents.
Good link. Thanks.
And Saddam's soldiers stirring and stirring, and upon the invasion we would BUST OPEN the doors in surprise and find them, just like in Hollywood!
. . . and we need pictures of the underground complex deep under some Iraqi mountain complete with Chicom workers in white lab coats and high tech robots walking down mile long corridors. We need pictures of 007 with his sexy love kitten standing in the munitions room. We need the public to see the chemistry room with tables of glass beakers, Bunsen burners and miles of tubing. Otherwise the sheeple with not be able to connect the dots.
The United States at that time were very worried about Islamic Fundamentalist spreading throughout the Middle East. We really thought that and we were still in the Cold War dealing with the Soviets.
Did you watch Discovery Channel about the Soviet Invasion in Afghanistan. We helped Osama during the Afghan War is a fable.
CIA helped the Native Afghanistans only. The Arab Afghan Fighters which Osama tagged along with were supported by Islamic Fundies from Saudi Arabia. They did not like Westerners. They kept themselves separated from the dirty infidels. Their mission was to get rid of the Atheistic Soviets from Afghanistan but when that war was over they would come after the Westerners. Native Afghans thought the Afghan Arabs were real crazy...quick to join their 72 virgins.
Afghanistan nearly lost the war because the Soviets controlled the air. If the CIA did not equiped the Native Afghans with the Silk Worm they would lost the war for sure. Afghan Arabs claimed victory.
When Saddam used the gas on the Kurds the UN really didn't do much. UN didn't put sanctions against Iraq because Iraq and Iran both had chemical weapons.
UN Resolution 620:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/un/res0620.htm
In the United States, Congress wanted to put sanctions against Iraq in 1988 but Saddams Regime owed too much money and claimed his government didn't do it.
Interesting articles from this period and Saddam's complaints.
http://www.ubikcentral.com/2003/09/iraq_reporting_.html
This is from Renewal America...
"On 8 September 1988 the Senate passed the "Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988" which would render Iraq ineligible to receive U.S. loans, military and non military aid, credits, credit guarantees and any item subject to export controls. This law would make the importation of oil into the United States illegal. The bill did not pass the House because the Reagan administration launched a lobbying campaign to prevent its passage in the House. Apparently, other agendas were more important to the U. S. government than those pesky human rights violations. [2]"
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/spingola/050728
This is from Wikipedia for easy reading...
"Following the war, however, there were moves within the Congress of the United States to isolate Iraq diplomatically and economically over concerns about human rights violations, its dramatic military build-up, and hostility to Israel. Specifically, the Senate in 1988 unanimously passed the "Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988," which imposed sanctions on Iraq. The legislation passed. [10]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_war
Correction:
The United States at that time were very worried about Islamic Fundamentalist spreading throughout the Middle East. We really thought that and we were still in the Cold War dealing with the Soviets.
We were worried Iranian Islamic Revolution would spread throughout the Middle East.
"---What took so long. We've been at war for 3 1/2 years. It's about time we see some results!!!"
Everything Classified? Investigate where did the chemicals come from...like France, Germany or Russian? Don't chemcials have "markers"? Checking out sources in Gitmo?
This information cannot be voiced by the military. My Marine nephew cannot call home and tell his parents that Iraq is going fantastic. He mentioned that they will cut off your phone call for anything suggestive in its content. I suppose it's a tactic to keep the terrorist guessing. However, the Main Stream Media knows that they can play the other side when the truth of the matter cannot be refuted. And they know that playing the other side with such an advantage can erode the public's support for the war. They will play this game with the blessing of the DemonRATs. However, they do not realize that this game they play could have disastrous consequences for the country. It already is causing the deaths of our sons and daughters in uniform.
Iran never had F-15s (although they did have F-14s). The F-14s weren't useless, either (even after their supplies of Phoenix missiles ran low the F-14s were very useful in an AEW role due to their unusually powerful AWG-9 radar).
Iraq had a fairly substantial collection of Soviet arms, but the USSR didn't trust Saddam either, so they held back the really good stuff;
Iraq had T-72Ms (with local infrastructure for manufacturing of spare parts such as gun barrels) and MiG-29s. Granted, they had far greater numbers of inferior equipment (Type 59/69 tanks and J-6/7s from China) but this was a local decision to go with quantity over quality, not any attempt by the Soviet Union to "hold back the really good stuff".
At the time it was probably a good idea too; but sometimes our affairs backfire like they did in Afghanistan. Hopefully you won't deny that we armed them, that also is common knowledge
This is a red herring; the fact that we armed rebels in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the fact that we didn't arm Iraq. And while it is "common knowledge", it too is often deliberately distorted into supporting made-up "facts" (like assertions that bin Laden was a CIA employee).
I'll admit that I did expect a bit of a negative response, but nothing like what I got. Certainly FReepers do better homework than this.
One would hope so, but the "we armed Iraq" myth has been repeated so long that even some Freepers believe it. But the assertion is false; the US didn't give chemical weapons technology (or sell any other weapons) to Iraq. Such assertions have been made in the media, so it is excusable that you might think so, but all those assertions (including a "secret" NSDD which leftists claimed showed such support but has since been declassified and shows the exact opposite) have been proven to be false. Unfortunately, the fact that it is false doesn't keep it from being repeated over and over again.
Sorry about that; didn't notice those (hadn't read them yet) when I was posting.
Your right Eagle it was stinger missiles.
Minor correction; the SilkWorm is a Chinese copy of the old Soviet SS-N-2 "Styx" anti-ship missile (and sold to anyone who wants to buy them, including Iraq and Iran). The CIA was equipping the Afghanis with Stingers, which are a small, man portable anti-aircraft missile.
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