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Culture may close the book on shops
Contra Costa Times ^ | 6/22/6 | John Simerman

Posted on 06/22/2006 7:40:40 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: radiohead

What you said makes a lot of sense. I do not see how an indie bookstore that is new books only can survive today. Obviously they can only stock a limited number of titles, so the oddball book you're looking for probably isn't in stock. But, it's always available for purchase online.

I used to enjoy getting a B&N gift certificate, then going to the store to search for books I didn't know I needed. These days, I rarely find them there, and use their website to search for books.

Used bookstores, on the other hand, seem to thrive in some places, generally near a university. I love used bookstores, and can always find a book I didn't know I needed in any decent one.

A more alarming trend, to me, is the one that has public libraries reducing the number of books available in the stacks. If you visit the main branch in Minneapolis, for example...a brand new library, you'll feel like you're in Barnes & Noble. Don't look for anything published over a few years ago, unless it's a classic. If you know what you want, you can order just about anything, but the pleasure of browsing stacks for the old book you really must read, but had never heard of, are gone.

University libraries seem to be going down the same road. I'm saddened by this.


61 posted on 06/22/2006 10:04:13 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: ahayes
The hippies weren't buying it because Kant isn't commie stuff.
62 posted on 06/22/2006 10:13:41 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: LowOiL

You're my new best friend.
; )


63 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:13 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: MineralMan
University libraries seem to be going down the same road.

Oh, I don't think so. I'm finishing up my PhD and frequently cruise the stacks. There are tons of books that "I didn't know I needed" (love that!) that look like they haven't been taken out in years, but the library still keeps them.

I'm at a major research univ w/a huge library system (separate engin, health, art, etc. libraries). Perhaps some of what you're seeing is at smaller schools without numerous doctoral programs - those are the folks who really read the weird and or classic stuff. Your basic undergrad doesn't care.

64 posted on 06/22/2006 10:18:34 AM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: Physicist

I love bookstores, but I have never understood how they stay in business. What other business maintains an expensive inventory, most of which will never sell?

I suspect the future is digital, and printed books will eventually be one-offs, custom printed to order. This has already been tried, and I think it will eventually work.

Digital paper is already in the realm of possibility. We are within 50 years of a revolution in printing.


65 posted on 06/22/2006 10:21:40 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: SmithL

I'm a big buyer of obscure out-of-print books, and while I enjoy browsing used bookstores when I have a lot of time on my hands, it's a lot faster to get specific books I want, and to find out what specific books I want, via the Internet. As for a store that is selling new copies of "classics", that's just plain silly. If anybody wants a copy of "Critique of Pure Reason", used.addall.com will connect them with it, starting at $2.50 for a used paperback, and $.00 for a used hardcover or new paperback. Even with shipping cost added, no bricks-and-mortar bookstore can turn a profit selling new books at that price. There's a colossal inventory of that sort of titles floating around, since so many college kids have been required to buy copies for decades. Nobody needs to be printing and selling new copies.

Stores which make a profit selling new books are not in the business of expanding minds, they're in the business of pushing sales of money-making junk, with a bit of worthwhile stuff tucked away in the corners as an afterthought. Used book dealers -- both the "save money by buying used" type, and the purveyors of expensive rare tomes -- are increasingly closing down their stores and staying home to do business from there via the Internet. It's more profitable to dump the overhead, and more enjoyable to work from home for many of them. A friend of mine works for a dealer of the expensive rare tomes type, who closed his shop a couple of years ago. He now works from his home where the inventory is now located, and my friend works mostly from her own home, just going to the business owner's home once or twice a week. Their business is as strong as ever.


66 posted on 06/22/2006 10:25:54 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mewzilla

It's getting easier to publish via the print-to-order businesses, some of which can even produce hardcover editions. In the long run, that avenue will develop a lot more, and result in publication of a lot of books that would never have gotten published before as they have a very small target audience.


67 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:39 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: weegee

While I do enjoy browsing used book stores, I rarely have time, and am increasingly finding that I CAN discover the books I didn't know existed and simply have to have. When you're reading something online about a topic that interests you, you often run across mentions of books related to the topic, and then you can Google the title of the book and also the author's name, and often find a great deal written about it (sometimes even better than "thumbing through"), and that information often includes references to yet more books or authors that you've never heard of. Then you can hit used.addall.com or www.bookfinder.com and get the book(s) you've discovered within a few days, no matter how long they've been out of print or how obscure/specialized they are. My personal library includes a number of books that I discovered this way, which have been out of print since the mid-1800s, and which I would likely never have discovered by browsing around used bookstores or borrowing libraries.


68 posted on 06/22/2006 10:44:12 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: CIB-173RDABN

There are lots of print-to-order businesses, most producing only paperbacks, but a few producing hardcover editions as well. They carry both new self-published material, and long out-of-print material. My great grandfather was a popular novelist in the late 1800s/early 1900s, and at least one of his books is now available as print-to-order, in either paperback or hardcover.


69 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:36 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: LowOiL

What on earth made you decide that the people in the article are liberals?


70 posted on 06/22/2006 10:58:20 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
>It's getting easier to publish via the print-to-order businesses...that avenue will develop a lot more, and result in publication of a lot of books that would never have gotten published before...

But it's not the same.
People may not believe it,
I mean young people,

but there was a time
when editors looked for books
that were well-written.

Not propaganda
for this-or-that point of view.
Not pay-offs to folks

who did favors for
the publisher. Good writing.
In today's culture

"editors" are gone.
At least in the sense of folks
who worry about

creating good books
as opposed to business-folk
mining a market.

It's the blogosphere
model of reality--
Everybody does

whatever they want
and whatever chance combined
with sub rosa deals

brings to the surface,
is "it" for fifteen minutes.
It's an entirely

different world that makes
for entirely different minds.
It's a new new world.

71 posted on 06/22/2006 11:00:41 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Physicist
Bibliopath

Finally! An actual diagnosis for my condition!

I suppose I ought to be on your ping list.

72 posted on 06/22/2006 11:10:52 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: radiohead

used.addall.com will connect you with the inventories of a significantly longer list of dealers, and significantly more old out-of-print titles than Amazon. It's like a huge candy store for people with eclectic reading needs :-)


73 posted on 06/22/2006 11:17:14 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Consider yourself added.
74 posted on 06/22/2006 11:25:01 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: js1138
We are within 50 years of a revolution in printing.

I would say closer to 15.

75 posted on 06/22/2006 11:29:36 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RedStateRocker

I've read a lot of public domain works online, but if I really like a book I buy a hard copy. Somehow curling up with a cup of tea and a laptop just isn't the same as curling up with a cup of tea and a good book.


76 posted on 06/22/2006 11:33:14 AM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: RadioAstronomer

I think you are right, but books are holding on better than film. I do believe that custom book printing and binding machines will be in supermarkets within ten years. Unless digital paper replaces pulp publishing sooner.


77 posted on 06/22/2006 11:36:34 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Old Student

Honor Harrington rules, maybe the most interesting military speculative fiction of the last quarter century.


78 posted on 06/22/2006 11:41:27 AM PDT by RedStateRocker
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To: SmithL

Internet? I checked. It's available at http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4280


79 posted on 06/22/2006 11:44:24 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: KarlInOhio

Same thing happened to me.

Me: "Read it, read it, boobs" (reads further down the post)
Brain: "Hey buddy, did you miss something back there?"
*click*


80 posted on 06/22/2006 11:46:17 AM PDT by rattrap
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