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The Truth Leaks Out About Kosovo (Bill Clinton's Iraq - A Flashback)
Eagle Forums ^ | 11-24-99 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 06/22/2006 8:30:21 AM PDT by Fighting Irish

The embarrassing truth is starting to come out that the Clinton Administration lied to us about Kosovo atrocities which were supposed to justify the bombing of Yugoslavia. In five months of investigation and exhumation of the dead in Kosovo, United Nations war crimes investigators have found only 2,108 bodies.

Before the bombing, Clinton and Defense Secretary William Cohen repeatedly tossed out figures of 100,000 dead, and the State Department even claimed that up to 500,000 Kosovars were feared dead. Clinton claimed that his bombing prevented Milosevic from "deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide."

The chief prosecutor for the UN war crimes tribunal, Carla Del Ponte, can confirm only the 2,108 figure. That's what she reported to the UN Security Council.

Pathologist Emilio Perez Pujol, who led a Spanish forensic team looking for bodies, found only 187, mostly in individual graves. He calculated that "the final figure of dead in Kosovo will be 2,500 at the most. This includes lots of strange deaths that can't be blamed on anyone in particular."

The British, who seem to be more interested in getting to the truth than Congress, are pressuring Foreign Secretary Robin Cook to answer claims that Tony Blair's government misled the public over the scale of deaths in order to justify NATO's bombing of Belgrade. Alice Mahon, the Labor MP who chairs the Balkans committee, said that the Kosovo deaths were tragic but did not justify the killing of Belgrade civilians by NATO's bombing.

Lacking a constitutional or national security basis for his Yugoslav adventure, Clinton relied wholly on the humanitarian argument. That rationale has fallen apart because the numbers of Milosevic's crimes in Kososo were so grossly inflated, the indiscriminate damage done by the Clinton/NATO bombing raids was so vast, and all the people he said he was helping are far worse off than before the bombing started.

The Clinton/NATO bombing was carried on for 78 days with total disregard for human life. The bombs killed thousands of innocent civilians and even destroyed hospitals and schools.

The Clinton/NATO bombing decimated Yugoslavia's economic infrastructure and created an environmental nightmare. Not only are water and power systems destroyed, but the lifeline of the region, the Danube River, is polluted and largely impassable because of destroyed bridges.

Repeated air strikes on the Serbian town of Pancevo enveloped the area in clouds of black smoke and flames for ten days and unleashed tons of chemicals into the air, water and soil. The fish, produce and water are all contaminated.

What was advertised as an air war against Yugoslavia's military capabilities was really a war directed against the Serbian people. Dropping cluster bombs from 15,000 feet and firing missiles from many miles away guaranteed "mistakes" and "collateral damage" and prove that the targets were civilian as well as military.

U.S. Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Michael Short admitted that the goal was to break the will of the Serbs and make them so miserable that they would force Milosevic to pull out of Kosovo. Estimates of the cost to rebuild the damage range up to $100 billion, but the costs in human misery are incalculable.

The situation in Kosovo, the province Clinton was supposed to be protecting, is even worse. The danger from unexploded British and American cluster bombs and mines is at alarming levels, according to international aid agencies.

Before the bombing began, there was no humanitarian crisis in Kosovo. It was only after the U.S. and NATO air strikes began that the Serbs started to expel Albanians from Kosovo.

The NATO "peacekeeping" force in Kosovo is completely unable to restrain the revenge-seeking Albanians who are beating and murdering the Serbs (even targeting grandmothers) and burning their homes and churches. More Serb civilians have been slaughtered in Kosovo than ethnic Albanians before the bombing began.

The daily violence continues even though there are now more NATO troops in Kosovo than Serbs. According to Human Rights Watch, 164,000 Serb civilians have been driven out of Kosovo.

The Clinton-Albright policy is based on the absurd fantasy that America and NATO can force the Serbs and Albanians to live together in a multiethnic society. Neither side wants that, and the attempt to impose our will means that U.S. troops will play the costly roles of global cop and social worker indefinitely.

The only people happy about the Yugoslavia debacle are the globalists who want America to be perpetually engaged in foreign conflicts. In a speech to the Canadian Parliament, Czech leader Vaclav Havel praised the Yugoslav war as "an important precedent for the future," saying that "state sovereignty must inevitably dissolve" and nation-states will be transformed into "civil administrative units."

When Clinton's National Security Adviser Sandy Berger spoke to the Council on Foreign Relations on October 21, he described Clinton's foreign policy as grounded in the policy of "engagement." America will now be "engaged" in Yugoslavia for the rest of our lives.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1999; balkans; christians; clinton; kosovo; kozovo; martyrs; monks; nuns; outofdate; priests; serbs
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1 posted on 06/22/2006 8:30:24 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: Fighting Irish

bttt


2 posted on 06/22/2006 8:33:05 AM PDT by BikerGold (Reliously Uncoooorrrrect...Reliously UUUUUUncorrect)
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To: Fighting Irish
And this information, my friend, will end up much Sandy Burglar's stolen documents did.............stuffed down someone's BVD's.
3 posted on 06/22/2006 8:33:28 AM PDT by soozla ("It is God's job to judge the terrorists....it is our job to arrange the meeting" - U.S. Marines)
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To: Fighting Irish

No Bodies in Mass Graves? Clinton lied people died!


4 posted on 06/22/2006 8:34:14 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Fighting Irish
Kill Christians for Moslem KLA drug runners./s
5 posted on 06/22/2006 8:34:33 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Fighting Irish
"Q'elle suprize."
7 posted on 06/22/2006 8:35:40 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Fighting Irish

Something else you'll never hear about in the rest of the media. We find WMD in Iraq and the media ignores it. We don't find mass graves in Kosovo and the media ignores it. Do I see a pattern here? And of those 2000 bodies we found, how many were people killed in fighting, not through ethnic cleansing?


8 posted on 06/22/2006 8:37:18 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: Fighting Irish

As I recall the bombing of innocent Christians served two purposes for Bubba: 1. To deflect attention from his predation of a young girl in the oval office; and 2. To appease the muslims by making it safe for their drug running businesses.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 8:37:27 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Fighting Irish

The only people dumped on more than the Serbs are the Jews.


10 posted on 06/22/2006 8:38:04 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Fighting Irish
This means that the World Court as sanctioned by the UN violated Milosevic's human rights by locking him up with ultimately a life sentence without a fair trial. The reason it wasn't a fair trial was the amount of time it took to complete the trial.
11 posted on 06/22/2006 8:38:09 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


12 posted on 06/22/2006 8:39:17 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: BikerGold
The Clinton/NATO bombing was carried on for 78 days with total disregard for human life. The bombs killed thousands of innocent civilians and even destroyed hospitals and schools.

One Iraqi civilian gets killed this week and the MSM is ready to hang the entire U.S. Armed Forces.

13 posted on 06/22/2006 8:39:24 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: Fighting Irish

Clinton took us to war in support of the Religion of Piss against Christians.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 8:39:41 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: doug from upland

ping


15 posted on 06/22/2006 8:39:48 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Fighting Irish
Before the bombing began, there was no humanitarian crisis in Kosovo. It was only after the U.S. and NATO air strikes began that the Serbs started to expel Albanians from Kosovo.

Before the U.S. invaded Iraq there was no insurgency. It was only afterwards that angry "freedom fighters" felt the need to defend their Arab brothers.

[ I may puke ]

16 posted on 06/22/2006 8:42:03 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks. Where was Code Pink? Where was Kerry? Where was Murtha? Where was Biden? Where were the environmentalists? Where were the human shields?


17 posted on 06/22/2006 8:43:48 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Fighting Irish

Bill 'No-Pants' ex-president is a fraud the American public and his two debauched administrations are a standing insult to the American national character.


18 posted on 06/22/2006 8:44:54 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: doug from upland

Exactly. We won't be hearing this on the drive by media tonight now will we? Obvious answer!


19 posted on 06/22/2006 8:53:58 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: soozla
And this information, my friend, will end up much Sandy Burglar's stolen documents did.............stuffed down someone's BVD's.


20 posted on 06/22/2006 8:56:45 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of an 2 year old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: Fighting Irish
Repeated air strikes on the Serbian town of Pancevo enveloped the area in clouds of black smoke and flames for ten days and unleashed tons of chemicals into the air, water and soil. The fish, produce and water are all contaminated.

I don't recall any voice whatsoever from the enviromental weenies on this......

21 posted on 06/22/2006 8:59:19 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: New Perspective
EGGGZAKTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22 posted on 06/22/2006 9:00:46 AM PDT by soozla ("It is God's job to judge the terrorists....it is our job to arrange the meeting" - U.S. Marines)
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To: Fighting Irish

bump


23 posted on 06/22/2006 9:06:00 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Fighting Irish

Are the statistics in this article up to date? I mean, have any other mass graves been found, etc?


24 posted on 06/22/2006 9:09:28 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: doug from upland
Exactly. And where were the marches on Washington, New York, San Francisco, LA, Vienna, London, Paris, etc. by Soros, the MoveOn (pre-internet) crowd, and assorted unwashed types, chanting and hoisting "Clinton Lied" banners?

*crickets chirping*

25 posted on 06/22/2006 9:14:03 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

26 posted on 06/22/2006 9:14:58 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Paradox
This from Wikipedia:

During the conflict, several thousand were killed, the numbers and the ethnic distribution of the casualties are uncertain and highly disputed. An estimated 10,000-12,000 ethnic Albanians and 3,000 Serbs are believed to have been killed during the conflict, including military personnel and civilians, primarily as a result of the ground war in Kosovo between the KLA and the Yugoslav military, Serbian police and Serbian paramilitary forces. Some 3000 people are still missing,of which 2,500 are Albanian,400 Serbs and 100 Roma[4]. According to OSCE numbers and Kosovar Albanian sources on population size and distribution, an estimated 45.7% of the Albanian population and 59.5% of the Serb population had fled Kosovo during the bombings (i.e. from 23 March to 9 June 1999).

27 posted on 06/22/2006 9:17:19 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: Fighting Irish
National Guard to serve in Kosovo
28 posted on 06/22/2006 9:20:09 AM PDT by Darnright (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Fighting Irish
I followed carefully the events as relayed by CNN,BBC and CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation). George Orwell died in 1950, yet his legacy is the book -1984.

It seemed to me that numbers of female broadcasters were wired in. They would hiss this phrase Ethnic Cleansing. Hiss it was. As Orwell tells us- repeat, repeat and repeat again.

In a lighter vein, tragic though it was, the CBC gave us this "gem". There was genial, affable Lloyd Robertson, "the most trusted name in broadcasting".

Canadian airman, quoth he, dropped three bombs on target. They had a fourth bomb. They were not sure about whether the target, was strategic. They contacted their base. Base then,consulted lawyers. Said Lloyd, with a beatific look on his face, they got the advice.

"They did not drop the bomb".

Honest. If it was not so tragic it would have been hilarious. Meantime, one Louise Arbour, so-called Human Rights Commissioner, pontificates about certain countries not being quite "squeaky clean". Her excuse for admitting them to civilized discourse. Mass murderers and all.

29 posted on 06/22/2006 9:20:14 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Fighting Irish

So whats the bottom line on the "genocide" / "cleansing"? Do we know the numbers?


30 posted on 06/22/2006 9:25:22 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Fighting Irish


Clinton supported a woman's right to choose - so who cares if a few Eastern Europeans die?


31 posted on 06/22/2006 9:30:42 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: tobyhill

Both Clintons lied and Christians died.


32 posted on 06/22/2006 9:35:42 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (No More White House Dynasties! Two Adamses and two Bushes are enough. No more Clintons or Bushes!)
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To: Paradox; joan; FormerLib; eleni121; kosta50; tgambill
I can tell you this that since 1999 over 130 churches have been destoyed by islamic Albanians and over 2000 Serbs killed or gone missing.

Albanians continue RIGHT up to this past weekend in damaging cemeteries and scattering the dead Serbs bones out on the ground.

The people of the world are about to give Kosovo( a SERBIAN word) to a people from another country( ALBANIA)who came there with the express purpose of STEALING the land from its rightful Serbian owners.

Joan and tgambill, help us out with more info please.

33 posted on 06/22/2006 9:40:15 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: Fighting Irish
Here is something recent: Our Secretary of State met with the so-called President of Kosovo.. a war crimnial named ceku just this week.

Here is an article about CEKU form Canada. PLEASE READ!!

From 'Esprit de Corps' of Canada

Ceku must face justice

By SCOTT TAYLOR / On Target

March 27, 2006

LAST WEEK, I just happened to be in Belgrade attending a conference on the future status of Kosovo when the funeral for former Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic was held.

True to form, the western media’s coverage of these events presented accused war criminal Milosevic as evil incarnate and the Serbian people, by extension, as something bordering on the subhuman.

Almost entirely lost in the frenzy to heap responsibility for a decade’s worth of death and destruction into Slobo’s coffin was the announcement that the Albanians in Kosovo have just selected a new prime minister.

To have examined this development in the slightest would have served to spread around some of the blame and to illustrate that the Serbs certainly did not have a monopoly on war crimes during those bloody civil wars. In fact, if one only casually glances at the resume of the incoming prime minister, Agim Ceku, it becomes apparent that his election flies in the face of international justice, foreshadows more violence in Kosovo and ignores the sacrifices and valour of our Canadian Forces.

In summary, Ceku, an Albanian Kosovar by birth, began his military career as an officer in the former federal Yugoslavian army. When the initial Yugoslav breakup occurred in 1991, Ceku was quick to switch his loyalty to the Croatian cause. As a colonel in the Croatian army, Ceku commanded the notorious 1993 operation in what is known as the Medak Pocket.

It was here that the men of the 2nd Battalion of Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry came face to face with the savagery of which Ceku was capable. Over 200 Serbian inhabitants of the Medak Pocket were slaughtered in a grotesque manner (the bodies of female rape victims were found after being burned alive). Our traumatized troops who buried the grisly remains were encouraged to collect evidence and were assured that the perpetrators would be brought to justice.

Nevertheless in 1995, Ceku, by then trained by U.S. instructors as a general of artillery, was still at large. In fact, he was the officer responsible for shelling the Serbian refugee columns and for targeting the UN-declared "safe" city of Knin during the Croatian offensive known as Operation Storm.

Some 500 innocent civilians perished in those merciless barrages, and senior Canadian officers who witnessed the slaughter demanded that Ceku be indicted.

Once again, their pleas fell of deaf ears. Just a few months after the Storm atrocities, Canada’s own Louise Arbour began making a name for herself as the chief prosecutor for the war crimes tribunal in The Hague.

Despite the Canadian connection to these alleged crimes, Arbour and her lawyers chose instead to pursue more "politically prominent" individuals such as Milosevic, and other senior Serbs, while nothing was done to bring Ceku to justice.

Fast-forward to January 1999, and the world’s attention begins to focus on a war-ravaged Kosovo. With the blessing of the U.S. State Department and NATO, Ceku takes his retirement (at age 37) from the Croatian army and is pronounced supreme commander of the Kosovo Liberation Army.

Throughout the air campaign against Yugoslavia, Ceku was portrayed as a loyal ally and he was frequently present at NATO briefings with top generals such as Wesley Clark and Michael Jackson.

Under the terms of the June 1999 Kosovo peace deal, Ceku’s Albanian guerrillas were to be disarmed and reconstituted into a UN-sponsored (non-military) disaster relief organization known as the Kosovo Protection Corps. But despite the fact that they now collected UN paycheques, Ceku’s men never gave up their guns — nor their quest for a Greater Albania.

From the armed Albanian incursions into southern Serbia in 2000 — and Macedonia in 2001 — right up until the violent pogrom unleashed against Kosovo Serbs in March 2004, Ceku’s brand of violence, hatred and ethnic cleansing has remained unchanged.

Now he is being hailed as a political leader, and the world is once again turning a blind eye to his crimes. Hopefully, Canada at least will respect the eyewitness testimony of our own peacekeepers and finally insist that Ceku face the same justice that was demanded of Slobodan Milosevic

Presenting the soldiers of the 2nd Battalion of Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry with a belated Governor General’s unit citation for the Medak Pocket battle will remain a hollow gesture until Ceku is held responsible for his atrocities.

34 posted on 06/22/2006 9:53:18 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: Lion in Winter
The people of the world are about to give Kosovo( a SERBIAN word) to a people from another country( ALBANIA)who came there with the express purpose of STEALING the land from its rightful Serbian owners.

Sounds like the American Southwest and Mexicans.

35 posted on 06/22/2006 9:57:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Howlin; neverdem; Calpernia; MHGinTN; BikerGold
We can "bump" this topic up here in FreeRepublic, but the MSM (as shown by its (deliberate) ignoring AND ignorance of the topic when it first came up!) will REFUSE to discuss the tragic US failures in Yugoslavia.

We went in to give Hillary a refugee camp and refugee trains emptying women and children into government camps ONLY for her photo ops.


She MUST distract the NY voters from impeachment, and she MUST show her "empathetic (propaganda) links" to the Jewish slaughter in WWII (by white Catholic ethnic groups linked to the Nazis) to get the NY Jewish votes.

It didn't hurt that Muslims were the victims of some of the 2100 murders in Yugoslavia, but it didn't matter. Hillary needed her pictures.
36 posted on 06/22/2006 10:01:20 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

You're forgetting Hillary's campaign photo ops.


37 posted on 06/22/2006 10:04:10 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Fighting Irish

BTTT


38 posted on 06/22/2006 10:06:48 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Fighting Irish

mark


39 posted on 06/22/2006 10:08:32 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Rose of Sharon

Yes, it does except the Mexicans are not RADICAL islamics who want to kill and destroy CHRISTIANS and their Churches!! One thing to be thankful...at least.


40 posted on 06/22/2006 10:11:53 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: doug from upland
Where was Code Pink? Where was Kerry? Where was Murtha? Where was Biden? Where were the environmentalists? Where were the human shields?

Where was the GOP opposition?

41 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: doug from upland

What about wonderkin Wesley Clark?


42 posted on 06/22/2006 11:13:52 AM PDT by superfries
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To: superfries

Doncha mean WAR CRIMINAL CLARK???


43 posted on 06/22/2006 3:26:24 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: soozla; joan; Lion in Winter; Bokababe; Wraith

No it won't....check out www.savekosovo.org. There is a group of us that won't let it die.

I also have this collection of quotes:

Circa 1998:
There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous.

I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.



Sept. 10, 2002
Cumberland, Md.: Where you aware of the KLA and Bosnian Muslims' ties to Osama bin Laden at the time you were negotiating with them?

Richard C. Holbrooke: Yes. In fact, we were so concerned about this issue that we wrote into the Dayton Peace Agreements a clause requiring the withdrawal of all "foreign elements" within a short time after the agreement took force. When we found elements that had remained behind, we launched raids against them. Not all of these people were removed, and the effort is still continuing. Without the peace in Bosnia, there is a real chance that bin Laden would have been able to set up in the Balkans what he did in Afghanistan with far greater danger to the West.

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/02/sp_nation_holbrooke091002.htm

Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:
Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.
"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.


44 posted on 06/23/2006 12:59:41 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Alberta's Child
"Where was the GOP opposition?"

Supporting the C-i-C during a war, like we ask the Dems to do now?
45 posted on 06/23/2006 1:06:37 AM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: Paradox; Hoplite; ma bell; DTA; montyspython; Bokababe; Wraith; tgambill; Sarajevo; joan; ...

Yes, a mass grave was found...it had Serbs, the biggest one yet. In my inquiry I asked a close friend i knew in Kosovo to give me what he knew, which is separate from this article. He was personally involved in the searching.

Quote:

"Regarding mass graves prior to September 1999, I can only tell you of the 2 that I was personally involved with. Both contained the bodies of murdered Kosovo Serbs. I think they were both discovered in August. One contained 8 or nine male bodies and was located past Malisheve (the road that ran behind Camp Monteith) towards the Serbian border, I think it was near the village called Podgorca or something like that. The bodies were buried just below the surface. ICFY was later involved in the recovery of the bodies. The other was 4 or 5 Serb male bodies (it look like they had been beaten) that had been dumped in a slit trench in a wooded area used for training by the VJ close to Gjilan/Gnjilane - going out on the road that was later blocked off for the police RHQ heading towards Mucibaba about a Km out of town turn left up into the wooded area. These were both quite clearly revenge murders, taken apparently purely because they were Serbs. This was pretty prevalent in the GN area in June to September, indiscriminate attacks were being taken against any group or individual Serb that had remained if they strayed out of the relative protection of their enclave. There might have been one or two others but I was not involved and do not remember the exact details."

Source: Personal statement to me from an OSCE Official.




Article: #1

Another Mass Grave In Malisheva Is Being Investigated
Trans: S. Gajtani

12 Aug 99 (Zeri) – The workers of Office for Missing Persons and UNMIK forensic teams from Prishtina, lead by their Chief, Pablo Baraybar, started searching for another mass grave in the territory of Malisheva Municipality.
The searches are being made in the same location where three months ago a mass grave with 13 bodies was found, according to the information’s they belonged to the Serbian nationality.

Since Thursday in Mirdita neighborhood of Malisheva, two diggers are working on digging the ground and searching for the mass graves. Argentinean Special Forces are securing the location with tape and a sign to not cross into the area.

So far no bodies has been found according to the Baraybar. The office that is led by him has information that 10 to 13 bodies are in these mass graves, which they suppose are Serbs.

The new searches, according to Baraybar, will continue until they find the bodies. He has information’s that the new mass grave is somewhere near the mass grave that has been found in May of this year.

Article #2

New mass graves of Serbs near Gnjilane
August 28, 1999

Gnjilane, Aug 27 (Tanjug) - The discovery of another mass grave with bodies of 50 Serbs in the Gnjilane area demonstrates that atrocities continue to be perpetrated by rampaging ethnic Albanian terrorists against Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija since the arrival of international KFOR peacekeepers.

Serbs who wanted to find out the fate of their relatives or friends after the discovery of a first grave with 15 bodies, were told by an unnamed UN police officer that another grave with 50 bodies had been found in the vicinity of Gnjilane and that investigation would be undertaken soon, Tanjug has learned from well informed sources.

Serbs fear that the terrorist "KLA" has committed a series of mass crimes against non ethnic Albanian civilians, as many Serbs have been reported missing in the area since KFOR's arrival at the end of June.

KFOR spokesmen made no mention of the latest crime at their regular press briefing Friday.

Embittered by KFOR's benevolent attitude towards terrorist atrocities, several hundred Serbs blocked Thursday about 1 p.m. the Gnjilane-Bujanovac road, demanding that the murderers be brought to justice and that Zoran Stevanovic and Slobodan Antic, abducted Wednesday on the Gnjilane-Prilepnica road, in an attack organized by the new waterworks director, ethnic Albanian Ramadan Gajtani, be released.

Relatives of abducted Serbs who wanted to identify the victims were banned by a KFOR officer from seeing the bodies, which were taken secretly during the night to the Pristina forensic institute.

Systematic terror against Serbs in the area continues, as the "KLA" is trying to cut the corridor linking Serb enclaves in the province with Serbia.

On Thursday, Gradimir Stolic was abducted, the house of Lazar Mitic was torched, and bombs were thrown at the homes of Vladimir Denic in Gnjilane and of the Djurovic and Stojanovic families in Gracanica.

http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-08/28/14126.html



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"In April 99, the State Department stated that perhaps 500,000 Ethnic Albanians were missing and feared dead at the hands of Slobodan Milosevic’s army. About a month later, Defense Secretary William Cohen told a television interviewer that "about 100,000 military-aged men" were missing (Newsweek). After the end of the war in June, NATO revised the estimate to about 10000. Guess what? In a report to the Security Council the chief prosecutor for the UN War Crimes Tribunal said that so far 2108 bodies have been found in 195 "mass graves". More are expected to be uncovered when the ground thaws in spring. The high estimates currently hover around 7000. The report added that many of these bodies were in individual burial plots, and only 11 sites reported more than 50 bodies. I am not trying to belittle the slaughtering of civilian Kosovars (however many), but instead am trying to analyze the politics of war in a more realistic way than what the major networks have so far been doing."
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46 posted on 06/23/2006 1:19:02 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Fighting Irish

Except for Phyillis Schafley readers and here on FR don't expect this to get any play at all in the MSM.........EVER!


47 posted on 06/23/2006 1:34:22 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Lion in Winter

Specifically, what focus of information would you like to have......


48 posted on 06/23/2006 1:34:40 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Paradox
Do we know the numbers?

We won't until the Serbs themselves are willing to come clean upon the subject, but, alas, there's little hope for that coming to pass.

Point being, there was an effort to transport corpses out of Kosovo and hide them in Serbia proper, much like the effort to hide the evidence of the Srebrenica mass executions.

Serbia's about the only European country where the government can transport hundreds of corpses to police grounds, burn and bury them, and the responsible agencies can carry on "business as usual" after the corpses have been recovered. (800+)

No worries, however - if the Serbs are unwilling to deal with the criminals in their midst, there are other ways of addressing the issue, mainly isolating the Serbs and ensuring they don't exercise any power over those they have recently victimized.

Which is why Kosovo will be granted independence this year - we're just tired of the Serb's BS.

And if some still think, after 6 years of Republican leadership, that Bill Clinton is the deus ex machina of American Balkan policy, well, some folks you just can't reach, and after a while it becomes a waste of time to even try.

49 posted on 06/23/2006 2:15:24 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: decal
Supporting the C-i-C during a war, like we ask the Dems to do now?

Who's "we?"

50 posted on 06/23/2006 3:34:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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