Muslims Address Silence on Europe Attacks

Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 24, 2006 at 12:40:46 PDT | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI ASSOCIATED PRESS

[SauronOfMordor]

I learned early on how thankfull they where to be able to come to America, to get away from the hell holes they where born in. They wanted no parts of the madness, religious yoke, etc., their families where born into. The simply wanted to live in peace, and provide a safe place for their families to live.

In which case they were not Muslims. They may have been born into Islamic societies, but in practical terms they were "ex-Muslims". As as any, by definition, who reject the concept of jihad, and who decide that living in peace with their families is more important than the spread of Islam

[Sisku Hanne]

One of the most important events that began my "deprogramming" from liberalism was watching and listening to the Cuban community during the Elian Gonzales debacle. There was too much raw uncensored truth to be contained by our agenda-ridden media. My eyes were really open to all the crap and lies I had been fed in college when I finally heard the true voice of the Cuban people instead of some Marxist professor.

Regarding the deafening muslim silence, if they are not part of a solution, they are part of the problem. Everyone is responsible. Christians loudly and swiftly denounce fanatical actions perpetrated in their name. I expect nothing less from muslims. But I know enough not to believe the sincerity of their leadership regardless of what they say.

[Marine_Uncle]

Perhaps. But don't short change your knowledge. Not all Muslims believe jihad is limited to conquering in the name of allah. Not all muslims are under the spell of the wahaabist, salafist, Qutbist etc., versions of interpretation of the Quran and the Hadiths. But lets call it a draw. We can write volumes on the subject referencing various muslim and non muslim scholars and still get no where in essence.
Surely those Shia soldiers that fight every day side by side with US Soldiers and Marines, and have been known to call them brothers, and use terms like we love you, you are brothers for some reason do not take to strongly jihad in the one form so convienently used by the above mentioned sub sects/ really not sub sects at all but movements based on goons of the past, that fully adhere to the wild antics of those A Rabs of the dim past. I prefere to give allowance to those that hate the idea of killing humans because they do not follow allah the black rock.
But let there be no misinterpretation as to my feelings for those goons that prefer violance toward all non-muslims or muslims of different faiths. They should be wiped out for everyones benefit.

[CheyennePress]

Shakira? What do you have against her? Her hips don't lie!

I'm referring to the fact that these morons claim that the US deserves whatever it gets and then go driving around listening to rap music and Shakira--both totally Western.

[starbase]

For some of the more than five dozen Muslims interviewed for this story in Amsterdam, Paris and London, it's a sense of shame, or even guilt, that innocents have been killed in the name of Islam; they say those feelings make them seek to be "invisible."

Oh, so sad, their only fault is that they're just too darned noble!

Whenever you're dealing with someone who has agreed to criticize themselves, and then their verdict against themselves is that they are just too good in some regard, watch out, you're dealing with a slimy manipulator.

[SauronOfMordor]

I think we're on the same page, or close to it

There are good and decent people who happen to be of Muslim background. In my opinion, though, Islam in its core values is not something that is compatible with the survival of the West

[freedom moose]

Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community.
This is the proof that the majority of Muslims support the violence.

In addition....It's certainly proof that he either didn't really write a song "about his anger" it, or he's a big pussy.

[EBH]

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

Because if that statement is true then they are using the name of Allah in vain and they are blaspheming your religion, therefore you should be expressing the same outrage at them as you did about the cartoons.

Why don't westerners learn more about your Religion of Peace, because your actions speak louder than your empty word.

[World_Events]

Amen. Aren't these the same people that whine and cry about anti muslim/islam racism the world over?? The only time they do speak out publicly is when there's a perceived backlash against them in the wake of terrorist attacks. Basically, they care only about themselves.

Bush and many others went out of their way to differentiate between muslim perpetrators of atrocities and peaceful practitioners of islam (though that's a relative term). That is what makes "them" different from us the civilized world, because we care, we're not selfish and only bitch when bad things are done to certain people. With that kind of selfish attitudes, they have no moral right to complain about anti islam or anti muslim prejudices.

[Gordongekko909]

Oh, okay. Got it.

[Marine_Uncle]

"I think we're on the same page, or close to it."
Perhaps closer then casual discourse reveals. Yes, Islam/Arabic culture is so remote from western ways. Truly a clash of civilizations. They have the choice. Either as say the Turks under the Autarh for example in the 20's, to westernize and open up to world thought that differs from their multi thousand year existence or stay in the past.
A prime example is that of Israel. Sure totally different circumstances involved in bringing that nation into re-existence, but in essence... Abram and keturah had six sons. Zimran, Jukshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, Shuah, and obviously earlier on, with Hagar Abram produced Ismael.
One side seeks to stay in the past. The other to modernize and accept much in the way of western civilization for what should be obviouse, many different reasons. But never the less. The nation of Israel could have choosen to go back to it's roots in a pure form. But they choose not to.
So the Arabs must choose. Live as desert caravan traders or modernize and accept the realities of what it entails. Of course I use a bit of poetic license.
Perhaps in the next ten years or so, with things developing as they are, we shall see greater division between a majority of Muslim centers of learning in all the ME/FE lands that realize they must look in the mirror and those that think they actually have things figured out correctly.
So many convoluted concepts they must deal with due to the integration of the cultures and the religious, and of course the concept of some that only allah can rule, and there is no place for the concept of government as is practiced in the western world and much every where else. Will they gravitate toward what GWB and others over the past some seventy years or so have desired, or will they reject the offers that can throw off the yoke that burdens them so deeply. Guess time will tell.