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Aggression Under False Pretenses [Wash. Post Publishes Hamas Propaganda]
Washington (com)Post ^ | July 11, 2006 | Ismail Haniyeh

Posted on 07/11/2006 8:21:51 AM PDT by Alouette

GAZA, Palestine -- As Americans commemorated their annual celebration of independence from colonial occupation, rejoicing in their democratic institutions, we Palestinians were yet again besieged by our occupiers, who destroy our roads and buildings, our power stations and water plants, and who attack our very means of civil administration. Our homes and government offices are shelled, our parliamentarians taken prisoner and threatened with prosecution.

The current Gaza invasion is only the latest effort to destroy the results of fair and free elections held early this year. It is the explosive follow-up to a five-month campaign of economic and diplomatic warfare directed by the United States and Israel. The stated intention of that strategy was to force the average Palestinian to "reconsider" her vote when faced with deepening hardship; its failure was predictable, and the new overt military aggression and collective punishment are its logical fulfillment. The "kidnapped" Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit is only a pretext for a job scheduled months ago.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barf; gag; hamas; haniyeh; puke; vomit

1 posted on 07/11/2006 8:21:55 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 07/11/2006 8:22:21 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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To: Alouette

You forgot a very large puke alert.


3 posted on 07/11/2006 8:22:54 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: calex59

4 posted on 07/11/2006 8:23:46 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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To: Alouette

"Waaaaaaa.... we rocket their cities and they have the gall to return fire!!!"


5 posted on 07/11/2006 8:26:05 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Alouette

This author was just discussed on Laura Ingraham's show with a ME terrorism expert or somesuch. He said this Haiyeh fellow is Israel's OBL. Oh, the Compost also pays him an honorarium for penning this anti-Israel pap. Amazing....


6 posted on 07/11/2006 8:26:17 AM PDT by eureka! (Heaven forbid the Rats get control of Congress and/or the Presidency any time soon....)
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To: Alouette

This is not something a responsible newspaper would print. I guess that's why it's in the Post.


7 posted on 07/11/2006 8:28:00 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Alouette

Stunned at the Post printing this garbage...... Wouldn't bother me a bit if the Israelis leveled everything from their southern border to the Suez Canal.....


8 posted on 07/11/2006 8:29:32 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Alouette
Funny thing is, I agree with this guy. Palestinians should be allowed to live in peace and dignity - in Jordan and Egypt. This situation will never be over until the Palestinians are expelled or Israel is destroyed.
9 posted on 07/11/2006 8:29:41 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Alouette

Can you imagine what this guy would have written if Karl Rove hadn't censored him first?

The mind reels.


10 posted on 07/11/2006 8:31:06 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Alouette

Ok, I stand corrected!


11 posted on 07/11/2006 8:32:01 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Alouette

>>Haniya was born in the Al-Shati refugee camp in Gaza. His parents became refugees after they fled their homes in what is now the city of Ashkelon in Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In 1987, he graduated from the Islamic University of Gaza with a degree in Arabic literature. In 1989, he was incarcerated for three years by Israeli authorities, and following his release in 1992, he was deported to Lebanon. A year later, he returned to Gaza and was appointed as Dean of the Islamic University.

After the release from prison in 1997 of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Hamas' spiritual leader, Haniya was appointed to head his office. He was targeted by the Israeli Army for his alleged involvement in attacks against Israeli citizens. Following a suicide bombing in Jerusalem in 2003, he was slightly injured on his hand by an Israeli Air Force bomb attack attempting to eliminate the Hamas leadership. His position within Hamas continued to strengthen during the Al-Aqsa Intifada due to his relationship with Yassin, and because of the elimination of much of the Hamas leadership by the Israeli Security Forces. In December 2005, Haniya was elected to head the Hamas list, which in January 2006 won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections.

On February 16, 2006, Hamas nominated Haniya for Palestinian Prime Minister, and was formally presented as such to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on February 20.<<


12 posted on 07/11/2006 8:35:24 AM PDT by gondramB (The options on the table have been there from the beginning. Withdraw and fail or commit and succeed)
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To: Alouette
It's not propaganda, it's the Palestinian position put elegantly and well by Mr. Haniyah, and the Washington Post was absolutely correct to publish it.

All it takes is an intelligent reader to understand it. Mr. Haniyah wants all land captured in '67 returned, Jerusalem re-partitioned, and the 1948 refugees and their descendants returned to their land in Israel (or - perhaps - very handsomely compensated).

Since when is a state which wins a war expected to return its conquests to the losers? Since when do those expelled losers have the right to return and claim "their" lands?

Read the document with reasonable care and Mr. Haniyah is saying that Hamas wants the destruction of Israel as the price of peace. He's also saying that the Palestinians are at war with Israel...so who gives a shit what happens to them?

It's important to remember what Jabotinsky said 75 years ago - there's no right and wrong here, the Jews want a state of their own in their ancient homeland but the Palestinians, who've thought of that land as a home for a thousand years, don't want to let them have it.

13 posted on 07/11/2006 8:47:34 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Alouette

Typical garbage from the Washington Compost.


14 posted on 07/11/2006 8:50:06 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: liberallarry
the Palestinians, who've thought of that land as a home for a thousand years

It's important to remember that Arabs did not begin to call themselves "Palestinians" until after 1948. The "Palestine Liberation Organization" was established in 1964--before the so-called occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

It's important to remember that the Paleoswineans always trot out this same old "retreat to the pre-1967 lines and give us a 'Right of Return'" when they are getting their butts whipped.

15 posted on 07/11/2006 8:58:28 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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To: Alouette

That's a very critical point, Alouette. There are two issues for the Palestinian arabs: the right to their own state, and the right to live in peace.

The fact is that they never, ever had a state. There never was an arab state of Palestine (or by any other name); it always was under the jurisdiction of someone else. Therefore, Israel's sovereignty is nothing new.

As to the right to live in peace, they have been offered this right repeatedly and have spurned it just as often. Even today, if they said that they wanted to live in peace in Israel and pledged to abandon any efforts to undermine the state of Israel, I have no doubt that the Israeli government would welcome them with open arms.

In my opinion, it is important to recognize that most of these people are officially called "refugees" under international law. Because they are "refugees" it means that they are not living in their permanent homes (how can you be a refugee in your own home?). I'll repeat that: Because they are "refugees" it means that they are not living in their permanent homes (how can you be a refugee in your own home?).

That being the case, I do not believe that Israel will live in peace until the refugees are given a permanent home. I think that it is incument upon arab countries such as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan to open their borders and accept the Palestinian arabs who are refugees. In addition, I believe that they should open their borders to those arabs who currently live west of the Jordan River but would be uncomfortable living under Israeli sovereignty.

Problem solved.


16 posted on 07/11/2006 9:20:10 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Alouette
It's important to remember that Arabs did not begin to call themselves "Palestinians" until after 1948.

They thought of themselves as Muslims and Arabs and of Palestine as a Muslim land under Ottoman control. Modern Middle-Eastern states are entirely a creation of the French and English.

It's important to remember that the Paleoswineans always trot out this same old "retreat to the pre-1967 lines and give us a 'Right of Return'" when they are getting their butts whipped.

What else do you expect them to say? That's always been their position and they are consistant in asserting it. Do you expect them to change it because the sons of pigs and monkeys demand it?

17 posted on 07/11/2006 9:22:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Alouette
"It's important to remember that Arabs did not begin to call themselves "Palestinians" until after 1948. The "Palestine Liberation Organization" was established in 1964--before the so-called occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. It's important to remember that the Paleoswineans always trot out this same old "retreat to the pre-1967 lines and give us a 'Right of Return'" when they are getting their butts whipped."

The Washington Pravda (as a friend of mine calls it) forgot to include a picture of the Hamastinians in the article. Fortunately, our roving cameraman just happend to be around and got one:


18 posted on 07/11/2006 9:22:43 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: liberallarry
They thought of themselves as Muslims and Arabs and of Palestine as a Muslim land under Ottoman control.

And I thought of myself as a citizen under the protection of the Roman Empire.

Newsflash for "Palestinians": The Ottoman Empire is no more, it's kaput, finis. Deal with it.

19 posted on 07/11/2006 10:15:18 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Alouette

Once again, WaPo gives aid and comfort to our enemies....


20 posted on 07/11/2006 10:20:11 AM PDT by betty boop (The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -J.B.S. Haldane)
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21 posted on 07/11/2006 10:35:06 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Alouette

Another case of "Journalism Under False Pretenses".


22 posted on 07/11/2006 10:50:57 AM PDT by PsyOp (A nation can survive its fools…. But it cannot survive treason from within. – Cicero.)
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To: D-fendr
Deal with it.

They're having some trouble with this part of your thought. Perhaps more bombs will show them the way... :)

23 posted on 07/11/2006 11:23:14 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Piranha
Problem solved

Only if you totally remove Islam from the equation.

Without that and the UN special definition of an Arab "refugee" in that region this would have been resolved before 1950.
24 posted on 07/11/2006 11:45:54 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: liberallarry
Do you expect them to change it because the sons of pigs and monkeys demand it?

Now things become clear. We know where you are coming from........750 AD.
25 posted on 07/11/2006 11:48:01 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: Alouette
The current Gaza invasion is only the latest effort to destroy the results of fair and free elections held early this year. It is the explosive follow-up to a five-month campaign of economic and diplomatic warfare directed by the United States and Israel.

Translation: "the US and Israel have refused to fund terrorism. We can't understand why, since they, and the Europeans have always been willing to do so in the past."

The stated intention of that strategy was to force the average Palestinian to "reconsider" her vote when faced with deepening hardship;

As if a "her" had anything to say in this or any other Mohammedan state, but I guess it plays well with your useful idiots in the Academy.

its failure was predictable,

And that is why your government is on the verge of collapse.

The "kidnapped" Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit is only a pretext for a job scheduled months ago.

In which case, you have only to release him and expose the Israeli and US duplicity for what it is. You are in a no-lose position with respect to Cpl. Shalit: if you release him and are wrong, the military operation will end. If you release him and are correct, you'll gain an immediate legitimacy, at the cost of sparing the life of a single Jew--something you can certainly make up for later. But of course, the idea that one can disprove an hypothesis by submitting it to an empirical test is not one that connects to the Arab "mind."

26 posted on 07/11/2006 12:17:19 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("If freedom wasn't free it would be called 'expensivedom.'" --Mama Cindy)
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To: BabsC
Now things become clear. We know where you are coming from........750 AD.

Actually, you don't know anything. I was responding in kind to "Paleoswinians".

I chose to do that because it's important to understand and remember the Palestinian point of view. Jabotinsky had it right; they're 500 years behind the West but they're a people, not a rabble, and they're attached to their homeland and will fight for it until they feel there's no hope.

27 posted on 07/11/2006 1:51:58 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
They're having some trouble with this part of your thought. Perhaps more bombs will show them the way... :)

Yes, they've had trouble with this part. I'd prefer they had the intelligence, decent leadership and the other Arab nations to show them the way. They almost made it in Jordan, but Arafat blew it.

they're attached to their homeland and will fight for it until they feel there's no hope.

That's pretty damning of these people. Makes them out to be anachronistic un-changing suicidal fools. While the other Arabs treat them as useful idiot cannon fodder.

They were attached to Jordan for a while, they can become attached to a new home without the destruction of Israel - if all the radical terrorists, governments included, in the region weren't blowing up every chance they get.

The problem is far from being all the displaced people attached to their homeland as usual. If it were, you'd have Jewish refugee camps bombing Arab states that kicked them out sixty years ago.

Your opinion of these folks is much lower than most.

28 posted on 07/11/2006 6:05:36 PM PDT by D-fendr
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Your opinion of these folks is much lower than most.

It isn't. There was an article in the Jerusalam Post a few days ago which provided an explanation.

The peoples of the surrounding states may not like Israel but they can go on with their lives. Palestinians are reminded on a daily basis, in the most direct and brutal ways, of what they've lost and how poorly they live...and there's very little they can do about it. Their "state" is to small and poor to provide them with opportunity.

Now, if the Arabs were truly one people the Arab part of the West Bank would be joined to Jordan while Gaza would become part of Egypt. I think that was the motivation behind Israel's withdrawal from Gaza. But it faces huge obstacles because Jordanians do NOT want more Palestinians and Egyptians aren't crazy about them either.

Even Europeans are finding it hard to give up tribe and nationality. Arab society and religion are medieval. For them it's impossible.

29 posted on 07/12/2006 6:49:29 AM PDT by liberallarry
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I think your position fails logically. Almost as many Palestinians, excluding fedayeen, live in Jordan as live elsewhere. And the West Bank WAS part of Jordan from '48-'67.

While there are ruling families/tribes, and jealousies between others, there exists no one tribe - one country rule in the Arab world.


30 posted on 07/13/2006 9:00:58 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Almost as many Palestinians, excluding fedayeen, live in Jordan as live elsewhere.

You've neglected to mention Black September.

And the West Bank WAS part of Jordan from '48-'67.

It was also part of the Ottoman Empire c.1550 to 1918, and of the British protectorate 1920 to 1948. So what?

While there are ruling families/tribes, and jealousies between others, there exists no one tribe - one country rule in the Arab world.

I was speaking broadly. Evidence suggests that the Sunni-Shiite animosity is worsening, that tensions between Arab and non-Arab Muslims are worsening, that Lebanon is coming apart again, that Egypt and Iran are in for some very rough times. And, of course, Iraq is in the midst of a combined civil war and occupation.

31 posted on 07/13/2006 9:16:49 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Black September expelled the fedayeen; it's implied in my response. The great majority of Palestinians remained and still remain.

The significance of the West Bank being part of Jordan in the near past, willingly on Jordan's part, was in response to your citing huge obstacles to it, coming from Jordan, in the future.


32 posted on 07/13/2006 9:58:43 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

We'll see. It looks like the entire Middle East is coming apart...and the Indians have yet to respond to Mumbai.


33 posted on 07/13/2006 11:08:27 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

yes, interesting times..

Obviously, there is no easy solution or it would have been done.

thanks for your replies..


34 posted on 07/13/2006 11:10:48 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Alouette
No mention of the Hamas' commitment to Israel's destruction. No acknowledgement of the PA regime's harboring terrorist groups who abduct Israeli soldiers and fire Qassam rockets at Israel in blatant acts of aggression. Hamas wants American understanding but refuses to do give up its raison d'etre even when it might mean the end of suffering for the Palestinian people. Besides, Ismail Haniyeh is not the one making the decisions for the Palestinians. More to the point, its not clear who is in charge over there.

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

35 posted on 07/13/2006 11:18:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: D-fendr

Light, sweet crude at $78 and rising. If the major powers don't make a move soon it'll all spin out of control.


36 posted on 07/13/2006 11:20:18 AM PDT by liberallarry
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