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Trigger happy in the cowboy country (MEGA BARF ALERT)
Khaleej Times on Line ^ | July 15, 2006 | PHILLIP KNIGHTLEY

Posted on 07/15/2006 7:10:11 AM PDT by libstripper

HERE is an amazing statistic for you— children in the United States are twelve times more likely to die of gunshot wounds than any other country in the world not actually involved in civil war.

That is not all. Not only is it possible in many American states to buy a handgun over the counter, no questions asked, but it is also possible to buy bullets whose sole purpose is to penetrate the body armour worn by policeman.

Yet despite years of pressure by advocates of gun control, Congress has apparently been unable to agree on any measure that would significantly curtail the availability of guns. Any move to do so is met by the wrath of the National Rifle Association, one of the most powerful lobbies in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at khaleejtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; guncontrol
The author of this piece of socialist garbage is apparently some socialist Brit. If you read though it you'll find the article is unintentionally funny because Knightley, the author, basically regurgitates all of the false scholarship of Michael Bellesiles, the disgraced Emory University professor who was forced to resign his tenured position after many scholars proved Arming America, the book Knightley uses for his article without direct attribution, was a academic fraud. Funniest of all, Knightley identifies Bellesiles but doesn't mention anything about his subsequent disgrace.
1 posted on 07/15/2006 7:10:15 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Sounds like more made up BS to me.


2 posted on 07/15/2006 7:11:08 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: libstripper

All these "facts" are BS and have been refuted long ago.


3 posted on 07/15/2006 7:13:45 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: libstripper

More pinko, anti-America, anti-freedom crap.


4 posted on 07/15/2006 7:15:10 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: calex59

Little Bellesiles lost his Bancroft Prize.


5 posted on 07/15/2006 7:15:41 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (Loose lips sink ships and the NYT is the Bermuda triangle.)
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To: libstripper

When I read this kind of tripe I am overcome with the desire to go buy a handgun just because I can.


6 posted on 07/15/2006 7:16:13 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Don't mess with Israel.)
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To: libstripper

I wrote a letter to the editor for our local paper during the debate over the assault weapons ban sunset, in repsonse to an over simplified and uneducated piece similar to this. Got lots of compliments on it.


7 posted on 07/15/2006 7:17:41 AM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Peach

basically regurgitates all of the false scholarship of Michael Bellesiles, the disgraced Emory University professor who was forced to resign his tenured position after many scholars proved Arming America, the book Knightley uses for his article without direct attribution, was a academic fraud.

Exactly!: This is just a rehash of a Fraud once again.

Knightly is a Liar and a british commie.


8 posted on 07/15/2006 7:17:59 AM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: libstripper

How come in colonial times kids had guns. They were expected to hunt for food. How come they didn't kill their parents or become drive by snipers on their horses or bikes later on?

Is it because they had a more godly lifestyle?


9 posted on 07/15/2006 7:21:13 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: libstripper
Hey Knightley....you have convinced me, why not drop by to pick up my guns? Late at night is best and just walk in, no need to knock as I am expecting you.
10 posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:01 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Peach
Knightley didn't just make this up--he used Michael Bellesiles' Arming America as his unattributed source, even though he does say Bellesiles' work is what he relied on. Arming America was proved to be a thoroughgoing made-up academic fraud and Bellesiles was forced to resign from his tenured position at Emory University as a result. I rechecked the date of this article, which is today, before I posted it because it reads as though it were written immediately after Arming America was published instead of today when everyone knows about the fraud, and has known about it for the last three or four years. To say the least, Knightley didn't do anything to update his research. Of course, maybe that's why he published this column in the Khaleej Times instead of a paper more well known in Britain and the US. If he'd tried to put it in an American or British paper the editors might have insisted he update his research and rethink the idea of relying on the disgraced Bellesiles as his sole source.
11 posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:10 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

There is a 'contact us' URL on the same page as this crAP regurgitated. Likely a note of protest to the editor will be more effective that throwing-up pearls before the swine DUmmie excapees here.


12 posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:37 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: ncountylee

Knightley has my invite to try the same thing here.


13 posted on 07/15/2006 7:27:07 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper
Not only is it possible in many American states to buy a handgun over the counter, no questions asked

Complete pantload right there. Ever heard of form 4473?

14 posted on 07/15/2006 7:27:21 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (If you're going to lie; do it well.)
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To: libstripper
What a Maroon. He quotes the second amendment twice, and gets it wrong both times. Of course what he leaves out gives lie to his basic thesis, so leaving it out twice is very telling.

The famous Second Amendment reads: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed".

The full Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

The little part about the right to keep arms gives complete lie to the theory that:
it was the right of the people to organise and arm themselves as militias, repeat militias, that was being guaranteed, not the right to carry arms when on private business.

He shows he doesn't even understand what probate was and is, that is a record of what person owned *at the time of his death*. They were notoriously incomplete anyway, as children and grandchildren helped themselves to the possessions of the the departed (often before departure) before filing the paperwork.

15 posted on 07/15/2006 7:29:28 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Disambiguator
When I read this kind of tripe I am overcome with the desire to go buy a handgun just because I can.

I'm more inclined to go buy a so-called "assault weapon" or a "sniper rifle", much more useful against gun grabbers.

16 posted on 07/15/2006 7:31:15 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: libstripper
It's true only if you count all drug-gang members under 21 as "children", which is how they get their statistics. The number of accidental shooting deaths of pre-adolescents is around 20-30 per year
17 posted on 07/15/2006 7:32:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: nmh
Is it because they had a more godly lifestyle?

In part, but also in part because they had a father (1 each, although sometimes a step father because their biological father had died) who would whip their A$$ if they did anything so stupid.

18 posted on 07/15/2006 7:33:48 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
He shows he doesn't even understand what probate was and is, that is a record of what person owned *at the time of his death*. They were notoriously incomplete anyway, as children and grandchildren helped themselves to the possessions of the the departed (often before departure) before filing the paperwork.

And on the frontier and wilderness, which would have the most need for guns, the question would be "What paperwork?". America in the 1700's and 1800's did not have the paperwork of today. Grandpa died? Make a note of it in the family Bible. Things like firearms would have been passed on to the younger generation as soon as the current owner was too old to go hunting with it.

The only people with "probate records" would be the urban wealthy

19 posted on 07/15/2006 7:41:43 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: libstripper

"Professor Michael Bellesiles, of Emory University, Atlanta, has looked at gun ownership at the time of the War of Independence, looking mainly at probate inventories, where citizens had to list everything they owned."

I got no further than this tripe. The author of this, one PHILLIP KNIGHTLEY, is noted for his books and articles on propoganda and spying. All of his writings have an EXTREME Anti-Western stance. He is just another turd in the cesspool of EXTREME LIBERALISM and wants our liberties and freedoms to end so that his utopian visions can be realized.

F-you Phillip. Molon Labe, pantywaist.


20 posted on 07/15/2006 7:46:08 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: libstripper
It turns out that there is no need to do so. The full Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

So it was the right of the people to organise and arm themselves as militias, repeat militias, that was being guaranteed, not the right to carry arms when on private business.

Apparently, the author is illiterate. It does NOT read "the right of the people to belong to a militia shall not be infringed."

Its case is simple: the framers of the American Constitution, those self-reliant frontiersmen, won freedom from English repression in the War of Independence because they had a Constitutional right to bear arms.
He also doesn't know history. The Bill of Rights wasn't ratified until 1791. There was no Constitution during the Revolutionary war.

gitmo

21 posted on 07/15/2006 7:53:25 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: libstripper
Surprise, surprise: at no time before 1850 did more than a tenth of the adult male population own guns.

Before 1850 we just threw rocks at the Indians, Mexicans, bears, and rattlesnakes. If we wanted dinner that day, we'd chase it down and have a hand to hoof/paw fight.

22 posted on 07/15/2006 8:02:10 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: libstripper

Wow! Thank you for checking into this so thoroughly, libstripper. I hadn't known any of that.


23 posted on 07/15/2006 8:02:38 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: El Gato
"In part, but also in part because they had a father (1 each, although sometimes a step father because their biological father had died) who would whip their A$$ if they did anything so stupid."

Yeah old fashioned discipline and an INTACT NORMAL family.

Could you imagine the uproar if a homosexual wanted to have a "family"? To divorce was almost unheard of. "NO fault" divorce wouldn't have been a big hit either.
24 posted on 07/15/2006 8:06:45 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: libstripper

I couldn't bring myself to read the article, but the first line was certainly encouraging. I'm delighted to know that children in the United States are twelve times more likely to die of gunshot wounds than any other country in the world not actually involved in civil war. That means nobody needs to worry about children in Gaza. Here I thought those kids were just getting mowed down.

Thanks for the barf alert. Please post any articles this writer produces on kids getting killed by suicide belts, etc.. I'm certain those too will be illuminating.


25 posted on 07/15/2006 8:16:30 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: nmh
I still remember in the 60's when students had shotguns in their cars at school so they could go hunting after school. No one ever pulled a gun on anyone or even made a threat. I also don't remember the violence in movies and a lack of parental involvement. The great society as solved so many of our problems, and the liberals want more.
26 posted on 07/15/2006 8:18:14 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: libstripper

Ah, yes. Once again the brainy liberals define "children" as anyone who helps support their delusional ravings.


27 posted on 07/15/2006 8:27:19 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: Peach

Does this statistic recognise the SIZE or POPULATION in its math?


28 posted on 07/15/2006 8:44:38 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Yes absolutely correct, this is a fact that is lost, on purpose, by the main stream media to further their support of the anti gun crowd, so they paint sophisticated street thugs as "children" and unfortunately too many people buy in to it.


29 posted on 07/15/2006 8:54:13 AM PDT by leaky acres mac
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To: libstripper
The full Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." So it was the right of the people to organise and arm themselves as militias, repeat militias, that was being guaranteed, not the right to carry arms when on private business.

Wrong. It was necessary for the state to maintain a militia. In recognition of that and the fact that this could result in tyranny against an unarmed populace, the founders recognized the right of the people to also be armed.

30 posted on 07/15/2006 9:05:29 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
I remember this in Massachusetts in the early 60's, I used to go deer hunting in Vermont over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I went to a very liberal prep school and no one objected to much.
31 posted on 07/15/2006 9:18:01 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: libstripper
HERE is an amazing statistic for you— children in the United States are twelve times more likely to die of gunshot wounds than any other country in the world not actually involved in civil war.

And, here's another statistic back at ya - by opposing and obstructing teaching firearm safety, the leftists have caused the number of "children" killed/injured by guns to rise. Just as they have caused the numbers of people worldwide who die of mosquito-borne diseases to rise; and the number of aborted children to rise; and . . . . . .
32 posted on 07/15/2006 9:31:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: paul51; libstripper
Very good posts from nearly everyone.

Our founders knew that england had tough gun ownership laws from about 1720. Gun ownership was tied to land ownership. In their proven wisdom, they didn't want that to happen here.
33 posted on 07/15/2006 9:38:40 AM PDT by verbal voter
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To: libstripper
"When mass production made guns cheap, then every cowboy in the West carried a Colt, walked tall and was ready for a gun duel, just like in a Hollywood western. Not so, says Palmer. Tombstone, Arizona and Dodge City, Kansas, towns notorious in Hollywood mythology actually had very low murder rates because cowboys had their guns confiscated at the city limits."

So, they confiscated the guns they weren't carrying because almost no one had one?

Mr. Knightley cannot claim logic as his strong suit.

34 posted on 07/15/2006 9:40:09 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: libstripper
Philip Knightley is the writer who reported that the U.S. military was murdering reporters.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,977702,00.html

35 posted on 07/15/2006 9:42:48 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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