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Fair Enough (John Podhoretz on Free Republic)
The Corner ^ | 7/18/06 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 07/18/2006 6:17:17 AM PDT by finnman69

A reader e-mails: "John, I'm as conservative as they come but your correspondents could have a point about what gets written in these public fora. Check out some of the knuckle-draggers posting at www.freerepublic.com sometime." UPDATE: Gerry Daly of RedState e-mails that I'm being unfair to Free Republic, which does moderate and delete inappropriate material. Its guidelines include : "Free Republic reserves the right to remove any postings that are considered inappropriate. Examples of inappropriate posts are those that are off-subject or contain advertising, pornography, obscene material, racist material, bigotry, Nazi (or other hate group) material, materials promoting violence, threats or illegal acts, etc." Couldn't find anything comparable at tpmcafe or DailyKos.


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Podhoretz was trying to defend FR, but he did not have to post one of these seminar troll e-mails.
1 posted on 07/18/2006 6:17:18 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: Jim Robinson

FYI ping~


2 posted on 07/18/2006 6:23:34 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: finnman69

knuckle-draggers??

Sounds like something from the DU


3 posted on 07/18/2006 6:23:51 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: finnman69

There are more SMART people here at FR than anywhere!! I have requested very obscure things and within minutes, have gotten the answers WITH links!!! Thank you fellow freepers....proud to be amongst you!!


4 posted on 07/18/2006 6:26:15 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: finnman69
some of the knuckle-draggers posting at www.freerepublic.com

I just checked and my knuckles still don't hang below my knees, let alone drag. Must be self-projection.

5 posted on 07/18/2006 6:27:01 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: finnman69

Podhoretz did a very poor job of defending FR.

The least he could've done was format his post. ;-)


6 posted on 07/18/2006 6:27:03 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Suzy Quzy
I have requested very obscure things and within minutes, have gotten the answers WITH links!!! Thank you fellow freepers....proud to be amongst you!!

You've just pointed out that FReepers are obsessive compulsive political junkies. ;-)

7 posted on 07/18/2006 6:28:03 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: finnman69

I was going to send this in sooner, but there was too much blood on my keyboard from my bleeding knuckles. I accidently hit a liberal in his nose and broke his finger, then scrapped my knuckles on his teeth while trying to help him get up.


8 posted on 07/18/2006 7:19:28 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Well, I don't know about there being more here than anywhere!

However, we sure have our share of people who think they know it all. :)

9 posted on 07/18/2006 7:39:02 AM PDT by Constitution Day (HeadOn.ApplyDirectlyToTheForehead.HeadOn.ApplyDirectlyToTheForehead.HeadOn.)
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To: finnman69
A reader e-mails: "John, I'm as conservative as they come..."


10 posted on 07/18/2006 7:52:41 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: finnman69
Hmmm... I just checked my hands and neither my knuckles drag or my palms are hairy. This contrasts with posters at D.U. ...
11 posted on 07/18/2006 7:56:05 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: Mo1; Jim Robinson

Some of what is attributed to freeper posting are posted by quickly zotted trolls who are NOT freepers. I've seen perfectly awful things quoted elsewhere that came from someone who was here about half an hour (if that) and their posts removed or ridiculed in a zot thread. I think that in some cases, they come here solely for that purpose--they post something ugly just so they can claim freepers write that kind of stuff all the time.


12 posted on 07/18/2006 7:57:38 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: finnman69
DrAt i'M hAbIng TRuble POsTIng, mYY KNUuCLkes KeeeP DRaGiNg oN tHes KeWysBoErD.


:-)

13 posted on 07/18/2006 7:57:40 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: geezerwheezer
I almost lost my appetite to post Jpods comemnts.


14 posted on 07/18/2006 7:58:24 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

knuckle-draggers ?

better that than one's belly or rear end


15 posted on 07/18/2006 9:16:33 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --- Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: finnman69; Knuckledragger

knuckledragger would be a cool screen name


16 posted on 07/18/2006 1:18:38 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does ibtz mean?")
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To: finnman69

"I'm as conservative as they come"= "I'm a lifelong Republican, but..."


17 posted on 07/18/2006 1:23:39 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: finnman69

Who cares what the chardonnay Republican media elites think?


18 posted on 07/18/2006 1:26:19 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: finnman69
Podhoretz was trying to defend FR

Podhoretz posted a gratuitous and unsubstantiated slam on FR because he is no friend of FR. He got called on it and so he posted an update containing someone else's lame defense of FR. "JPod" blows.

19 posted on 07/18/2006 1:56:51 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Suzy Quzy
There are plenty of nutjobs around here as well, and I think they are starting to outnumber the smart ones. Check out this thread for one example of a heapin' dose of crazy. There was a better example (the one linked in comment #32), but it got pulled due to many FReepers calling for violence against the New York Times and the photographer (whose name and address were posted).
20 posted on 07/18/2006 7:14:53 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Just A Nobody

Some people on FR don't understand the need for zots and banning trolls. (A troll was baiting you today, I noticed.) This kind of slam underscores the need for giving trolls the immediate heave-ho.


21 posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:11 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: RedRover
(A troll was baiting you today, I noticed.)

Yep! A brand spanking newbie! At first I thought it was just ignorant, so offered some informative information. Then I realized it was just stupid and ignored it. ;*)

22 posted on 07/18/2006 8:57:05 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: finnman69
Any email that starts off like that isn't from any Conservative...My fave is start is "As a life long republican"
23 posted on 07/18/2006 9:00:56 PM PDT by skaterboy
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To: finnman69

The email was signed Andrew Sullivan


24 posted on 07/18/2006 9:04:21 PM PDT by skaterboy
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To: finnman69

He should know the proper form is, I voted for Bush two times but,.....

Knuckledragger is a complete giveaway.

Pray for W and Our Troops
Shalom Israel


25 posted on 07/18/2006 9:05:45 PM PDT by bray (Jeb '08, just to watch their Heads Explode!)
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To: finnman69

I'm surprised he doesn't know about DU.


26 posted on 07/19/2006 5:14:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
There are more SMART people here at FR than anywhere!

The brain trust here is AMAZING. I agree with you 100 percent, excepting those who worm their way into ZotLand. (Thanks to all the moderators.)

27 posted on 07/19/2006 4:00:07 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: JTN; Suzy Quzy
I'd stick with David Horowitz, whose praises I first heard on the Rush Limbaugh show, over poster JTN any day. Just look at what his profile is pushing.
28 posted on 07/19/2006 11:33:29 PM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: thoughtomator
Knuckledragger
Since Sep 28, 2005


I've seen stupendously stupid comments on FR. But better that than the crushingly moderated sites like Lucianne.
29 posted on 07/19/2006 11:37:32 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: FairWitness

My knuckles are kinda banged up but I think its from hitting my wife


30 posted on 07/19/2006 11:39:48 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

Attention FReepers!

For only $19.99 you can own a lovely set of 5 knuckle pads, designed with comfort and mobility in mind. No more bloodied knuckles every time you walk from the computer to the restroom and refrigerator. Pain-free wandering is at hand! Call now! Available in red, white and blue.

But wait! Call within the next 15 minutes, and we'll send an extra 3 knuckle pads at no extra charge! That's 8 knuckle pads for the price of 5!


31 posted on 07/19/2006 11:56:27 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Suzy Quzy
I have requested very obscure things and within minutes, have gotten the answers WITH links!!!

Absolutely correcto! That's one of the great things about F/R. I learn something on F/R about politics, history, literature, technology, and even cooking (!!!) just about every day. I wonder if the same could be said for Kos or DU. Even if one filtered out the volumes of 'hate Bush'-speak from those sites, I think not.

32 posted on 07/20/2006 6:13:17 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Suzy Quzy
There are more SMART people here at FR than anywhere!! I have requested very obscure things and within minutes, have gotten the answers WITH links!!!

That is one of the greatest advantages of FreeRepublic. No matter what happens, anywhere on the planet, and there is an actual expert who posts a full explaination, or description, or tells you why it can not possibly be what the "journalist" expert said.

A few years back Alamo Girl did a thread on the professions of Freepers. It was amazing!

33 posted on 07/20/2006 6:21:28 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If the intelligence agencies can't find the leakers how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: finnman69
Personally I think JPOD is offensive. Not because of his political views which by and large I agree with, but because of his snarky and nasty personality.

I know liberals who are wrong headed but who consistently argue politely and in good faith. I respect manners, and so I try to correct the liberals in question without insulting them or treating them like I think they are dirt. But if you disagree with JPOD he's as likely to call you an idiot and treat you as something he's scraped off his shoe as anything else. The other option of course would be for him to explain to you some detail that you were unaware of... these usually amount to something like "Well President Bush's father was president BEFORE him you know." or some other little piece of condescension.

Until recently I've been a BIG fan of NRO, and the people there. Jonah Goldberg will continue to be an increasingly important voice in conservative politics in America, and John Derbyshire cracks me up. The other contributors to NR vary from great to transcendent, but I've sworn off of the corner specifically because of JPod's tone.

As I said in an email to them, "you throw a great party, but when the guests start throwing drinks in my face it's time for me to leave."

I know I'm just one redneck, knuckle dragger and won't matter much, but I can't be the only one who was so offended by him. Or to say it in a tone more in keeping with what he's apparently accustomed, F!@@#! him..
34 posted on 07/20/2006 6:29:21 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: coconutt2000
He wasn't defending FR. It's at his discretion which of his emails to post and he picked that one. He was trying to tell America that he's better than the rednecked knuckle dragger's here because he agrees with that note.

I'm done listening to him.
35 posted on 07/20/2006 6:32:51 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Jaxter

Sounds like a Clown Pus*y post.


36 posted on 07/20/2006 6:33:22 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: tcostell

I agree...John Pod is SNARKY....and a slooooow talker.


37 posted on 07/20/2006 7:03:59 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: tcostell

You are right on target. I have stopped reading The Corner because of the twin smartasses Podhoretz and Derbyshire. Their insufferable elitism and pompousness are reminiscent of the self-assumed superiority of the Left.


38 posted on 07/20/2006 8:19:55 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: tcostell
I don't care what they think of this site. Here is where the two Freepers exposed Dan Rather's lies and changed political history.

Has DU changed anything but their pullups?

39 posted on 07/20/2006 10:31:36 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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To: tcostell
Personally I think JPOD is offensive. Not because of his political views which by and large I agree with, but because of his snarky and nasty personality.

I agree with your assessment exactly. I love NRO and The Corner, and I read it every day, but JPod is the skunk at the garden party. I've written K-Lo several times when JPod was particularly nasty, but it doesn't seem to help. I still read it since there is so much greatness there, I just skip JPod's stuff in The Corner usually. His columns are rarely so obnoxious.

40 posted on 07/20/2006 12:24:24 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: AmericaUnite
I'd stick with David Horowitz, whose praises I first heard on the Rush Limbaugh show, over poster JTN any day.

And, in the matter of the "assassination plot" theory that Horowitz is pushing, I'll go with Donald Rumsfeld and the Secret Service. They both said the uproar was over a whole lot of nothin'. But, don't let that stop you. You're free to believe any baseless, whackjob conspiracy theory you want.

Just look at what his profile is pushing.

If you have something on topic to say, then say it. If you would rather talk about the War on Drugs, then try this link. You're welcome.

41 posted on 07/20/2006 7:45:59 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: finnman69

"I'll have roast duck with the mango salsa."


42 posted on 07/20/2006 7:48:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: coconutt2000

<< .... FReepers are obsessive compulsive political junkies. ;-) >>

I'll drink to that!

NOISES OFF (MRS BA) "You'll drink to anything, Knuckle-Dragger!"

OK, I'll drink to those, too!


43 posted on 07/22/2006 11:55:10 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("In war there is no substitute for victory." General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Brian Allen; cardinal4

In my old working days, "knuckle-dragger" was something of a compliment.


44 posted on 07/22/2006 12:15:44 PM PDT by Ax ("Burn the Village to the Ground, Doo-dah, Doo-dah....")
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To: Ax; B4Ranch

<< In my old working days, "knuckle-dragger" was something of a compliment. >>

I like it still -- and also and with alacrity, answer to "Red-Neck!"


45 posted on 07/22/2006 2:31:24 PM PDT by Brian Allen ("In war there is no substitute for victory." General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: finnman69

He's just jealous 'cause us knuckle draggers get all the bitchin' hot chicks. Quiche eaters need chardonnay to get the fat fugly ones drunk enough to take advantage of.


46 posted on 07/24/2006 9:02:00 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Dales

Thanks for defending the site.


47 posted on 07/24/2006 9:04:04 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: Dr. Thorne; tcostell
"Their insufferable elitism and pompousness are reminiscent of the self-assumed superiority of the Left."

Exactly why I try to keep my elitism, pomposity and self-assumed superiority sufferable.

48 posted on 07/27/2006 6:51:34 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mohammed was born in the wrong century. He would have made a Wonderful used-car salesman!)
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To: MizSterious

Yes, there are "seminar posters", but I've seen some pretty outrageous things posted here and, often times, when posters try to chime in for civility they are pounced upon, their motives questioned etc. Of course, the liberal sites are just as bad if not worse, but you have to admit we have our share. I speak up, precisely because I don't want FR pointed to in that way. I've been berated on another thread for daring to suggest we refrain from personal attacks.


49 posted on 07/28/2006 8:49:57 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Mo1
Sounds like something from the DU

I dunno...the following excerpt is from Will Grigg of the John Birch Society. JBS is hardly what you would call liberal. Grigg is talking about the reactions on FR to comments bill orielly made about his interview with Jeremy Glick:

[begin excerpt]

“Hey mister, who gave you that shiner?” “Nobody gave it to me, son – I fought for it.”

Like nearly all the heroes brought to life by the pen of the incomparable Louis L'Amour, Conagher was an unpretentious man who fought when he had to, but only to defend the innocent and vindicate the claims of honor – never to gratify his ego or in search of illicit gain. He had better things to do with his time than fighting, particularly when killing was involved.

Immortalized in the documentary Outfoxed, the Jeremy Glick segment clearly shows a bully getting the worst of a scrap he did everything to provoke. That's not how O'Reilly sees the episode when he replays it in the theater of his mind, of course.

“I am glad I gave him what-for,” he boasted to his Fox cohorts on The Lineup. “I did give him what-for, you might remember that. I'm glad I did.”

Imagine a High School senior boasting about fighting his eight-year-old sister to a draw, emerging from the tussle with a shiner while leaving the little girl's face unmarked, and you'd have a fair approximation of the repulsive spectacle O'Reilly offers.

Of course, from O'Reilly's perspective (which, to be fair, in his derangement is probably the version he really recalls), it was Glick who was “out of control,” a rampaging bully intimidating everybody on the set, and O'Reilly was ready – really! -- to unload on him: “If I could have whacked him, I would have.”

At the time of the interview, O'Reilly's fan-boys at at Freerepublic.com – sort of an on-line opium den for people hopelessly addicted to vicarious machismo – were eager to play the part of schoolyard sycophants to the class bully.

“I'd like to punch out the little POS!” exclaimed one heroic Freeper. “That Glick punk should be slapped silly,” agreed a second. “That kids needs a good punch!” chimed a third. “The best part was when they were going to commercial and the O'Reilly music came on -- Bill O'Reilly motioned to one of his guys off camera to throw the kid out!” swooned yet another.

Yes, few things scream “tough guy” louder than gesturing to hired goons to deal with a small, well-mannered pacifist.

Few things better capture the Freeper syndrome better than this comment from the thread about the O'Reilly-Glick fracas: “I was watching it. I could never do live TV. I would have been in a fistfight, and I would have won. I would have whupped his a--.”

Conn Conagher – a fictional character drawn faithfully on the model of thousands of real-life Americans – wasn't inclined to boast about battle scars honorably won in single combat. Heroism as defined by O'Reilly and Freeper-style conservatives is a little less demanding.

[end excerpt]

Anyone recognize themselves?

50 posted on 07/28/2006 6:55:38 PM PDT by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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