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Child Killed By Falling Mirror At Wal-Mart
The Indy Channel ^ | 7-23-2006

Posted on 07/24/2006 6:12:21 AM PDT by Samwise

INDIANAPOLIS -- A 3-year-old boy was fatally injured when a floor-mounted mirror fell on him at an Indianapolis Wal-Mart.

Police said Christopher Antonio was apparently playing near the 5-foot-tall mirror in the children's section of the store Saturday evening when it fell at the store in the 3200 block of 86th Street.

The boy was with his 5-year-old sister and his mother. The mother told police she was about 5 feet away from her son when she heard a loud crash.

Police said it took two people to pull the mirror off the boy.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: child; itsallfunngamesuntil; killed; mirror; ningnpaso; peligro; storesarentplaygrnds; walmart
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To: Samwise

Wow! This scared me! I was reading this thread when I heard a loud crash from the kitchen. Turned around and found out a faulty large middle drawer had fallen onto my six year old. He hadn't touched it. Thankfully, he only has a scrape on his leg.


101 posted on 07/24/2006 8:21:28 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: two134711

I can't believe the nonsense being suggested on this thread. A three year old can't be out of arm's reach in a department store? That it's not unreasonable to expect that a huge glass object might fall on a three year old?

Walmart is a great company and accidents happen. But Walmart will rightly have to pay, probably dearly, for this accident.


102 posted on 07/24/2006 8:21:33 AM PDT by zook ("We all knew someone in primary school who had a really powerful magnet")
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To: ShandaLear
How does the parent bear responsibilty?

She was not watching her child. The child was THREE! He should have been right next to her, even hand-holding. It is not up to society to babysit.

103 posted on 07/24/2006 8:22:22 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: HungarianGypsy
Get ready for a firm round of condemnation!

Seriously, thank the Lord that your child is OK.

104 posted on 07/24/2006 8:23:47 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: doc30

You're right doc. Too many parents think Wal-Mart is a playground! Wal-Mart should post a disclaimer after this one.


105 posted on 07/24/2006 8:23:57 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: Warren_Piece
Of course, that would mean, with the attitude of many here, the mom deserved to lose her kid becasue she let him get fat!

Was his hand too fat to hold?

106 posted on 07/24/2006 8:25:43 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: Westlander
And by parenting you mean never letting the kid more than four feet away in the toy section of a store? Give me a break your lying... You're either lying to us, or your lying to yourself...
107 posted on 07/24/2006 8:26:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Warren_Piece

None of the really really good parents here will ever lose a child to an accident. Yessirree, this could never happen to them. If all parents were just careful there wouldn't be any accidents. If the crushed child had been 11 yrs old, there would still be people here who critiqued the mother for not having him in a cart or holding his hand.

(sarc meter pegged at high)


108 posted on 07/24/2006 8:26:24 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: PattonFan

I'll agree that many parents let their kids run wild in Walmart, and it's annoying.

However, with all the hovering, overprotective parenting that's being suggested here, I think I'll switch careers in about 10 years and become a therapist - bound to make a fortune!

Good Lord, people! There is a middle ground.


109 posted on 07/24/2006 8:27:38 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Skooz; Darkchylde
That makes no sense.

You said: Nothing, nothing, nothing in the article suggests the mother approached the store as a "playground." That is your invention.

I replied: She didn't have the child in a cart. He wandered at least 5 feet away. What was he doing, reading "War and Peace"?

If he wasn't playing, he must have been doing something constructive at the age of 3, right?

That is correct. However, that scenario has nothing to do with this case.

It has EVERYTHING to do with this case. What control did she have of WalMart?!

It is easy for a normal sized person to reach for something 5 feet away. Most people don't have to take a step. Some will have to take one step.

No ones arms are 5 ft long.

I am using facts and reason.

No you aren't.

If the mirror were secured.

Do you know for a fact, since you claim you're using them, that the mirror wasn't secured?

My kids were always under my control no matter their age. This Mom, tragically, did not have her kids under her control.

From my post 73: I'm assuming that most parents are smart enough to control their kids. When mine got too big for the carts, they were either in the basket or holding the pocket of my jeans. The MINUTE they let go I knew it and they were back by my side where they belonged. As they got older, when Hubby was along, he'd say, "where do your hands belong?". My boys put their hands in their pockets and stayed beside us.

I'm pinging one of my 3 Freeper kids to verify.

110 posted on 07/24/2006 8:27:41 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Westlander
Read the replies yourself, there are even more people who think you're being a jerk than those who think 5ft away automatically means the mother is negligent..
111 posted on 07/24/2006 8:29:13 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Skooz
They were shopping at WalMart, not patrolling the backstreets of Beirut.

Kidnappings have occurred at Wal-Mart, muggings have occurred at Wal-Mart. It is not OK to leave a child unattended just because this is the USA.

A three-year-old needs to be watched at Wal-Mart or any other public place - for many reasons!

112 posted on 07/24/2006 8:29:24 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: HungarianGypsy

Your six yr old should have been holding your hand or in a cart. Certainly never out of your reach.

sarc meter off.

Seriously they sell devices to stop drawers from sliding all the way out. Maybe your cabinets could be retrofitted. Sadly almost every safety device on the narket is the result of someone elses' bad experience (or as the freeper righteous parenting squad would call it, bad parenting).


113 posted on 07/24/2006 8:29:48 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Jrabbit
What's a floor-mounted mirror?

The mirrors I can think of in an average Wal Mart...

1 Dressing rooms

2 Furniture Department

3 Cosmetics and hair care items areas

4 Clothing sections, mounted on clothing display racks so shoppers can look at the mirror while holding items in front of them.

114 posted on 07/24/2006 8:30:06 AM PDT by wanderin
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To: DJ MacWoW
It is NOT safe to let a child wander off in an environment that you have no control over.

I am to assume then that at Church or the park you never let your kid get more than 5 ft away?

115 posted on 07/24/2006 8:30:18 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Warren_Piece
There is a middle ground.

Apparently not.

116 posted on 07/24/2006 8:30:35 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: PattonFan
Still sad that Wal-Mart may have to settle. They will, and prices will just go up for everyone once again.

Hello, I hope they will settle and settle well. There is nothing that a three year old should be able to do to dislodge a mirror of that size. WalMart is definitely at fault. You are assuming that the child did something. Not necessarily. My sympathies go to the parents of the child. Great negligence on the part of Wal-Mart.

117 posted on 07/24/2006 8:31:12 AM PDT by Pure Country
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To: linn37
The child should be safe in the child's department area of any store. Its Walmarts job to make sure of that.

There are reasonable limits to what any establishment can do to prevent injury. Wal Mart is a store, not a plyaground. And like I said before, it depends on what caused the mirror to fall. If it was loose and tradgically came down on the child without any action of the child causing it to fall, the Wal Mart is in deep trouble. But Wal Mart should not be expected to make everything in the store secure or safe for children to play with. If the child sadly precipitated the falling of the mirror through play, the parents bear some responsibility for not controlling their child's actions. A store is not a playground and that needs to be taught to parents and children.

118 posted on 07/24/2006 8:31:21 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Mr.Atos

I hate to inform you, but Starbucks would not exist if not for lefties swilling $4 cups of that coffee.


119 posted on 07/24/2006 8:32:14 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: PattonFan

Too many parents let their kids run wild in places like Walmart. They think it's okay to let a 6 year old supervise a 2 year old. The kids chase one another and endanger themselves and other customers.

I don't know what happend in this particular case but I do know I'd put a 3 year old in the basket. He wouldn't be 5' away from me.


120 posted on 07/24/2006 8:32:50 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: PattonFan
I blame the parent because the parent was clueless.

Right cause you never, not once lost track of your kids for 5 seconds while you were dealing with another of your kids! I have a great deal of trouble believing anything you might say if you're honestly trying to convince us you're the Uber parent of the century..

121 posted on 07/24/2006 8:32:52 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Warren_Piece
The point is that you need to watch your kids like a hawk and not expect they are safe in a public venue.

This story is heartbreaking but there are facts in the article. My kids are now adults but I have grandkids and I WILL keep control of them in a store the same way I did their parents whether they are in a cart or holding my hand. Parents should never trust someone else to make certain that an area is safe.

122 posted on 07/24/2006 8:33:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: doc30
I don't think Wal Mart should be responsible for designing and installing mirrors that will withstand being played with by children. It's common sense not to let your kids play with such things.

How do you know the kid was playing? If the mirror was properly secured, then how could a 3 year old have been strong enough to cause it to fall? Especially if it took two adults to lift it off his body. Presumably they were in the clothing section when this happened, so this wasn't a dangerous area. A person should be able to turn their head for a few moments without worrying about a heavy item falling. If an old lady's scooter nudged into the mirror and it fell on her, would wouldn't that be equally tragic and senseless?

Walmart--any store--should leave ample room for customers to shop, aisles free of clutter and spills and heavy items secured safely. That IS their responsibility.

123 posted on 07/24/2006 8:34:13 AM PDT by two134711
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To: DJ MacWoW
If he wasn't playing, he must have been doing something constructive at the age of 3, right?

Most of us call that "tagging along with mom while she shops at WalMart."

It has EVERYTHING to do with this case. What control did she have of WalMart?!

Nope. You said: "It is NOT safe to let a child wander off in an environment that you have no control over."

The child did not "wonder off." He was FIVE FEET AWAY. That's why your make believe scenario has nothing to do with this case.

No ones arms are 5 ft long.

I didn't say they were. I said this: "It is easy for a normal sized person to reach for something 5 feet away. Most people don't have to take a step. Some will have to take one step."

Do you know for a fact, since you claim you're using them, that the mirror wasn't secured?

If a 3 year old can pull it over, then, no, it wasn't secured.

My kids were always under my control no matter their age.

Good for you. Mine are, as well.

This Mom, tragically, did not have her kids under her control.

Baseless assumption.

124 posted on 07/24/2006 8:34:58 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: silverleaf
Whats funny is that minus your disclaimer it reads just like some of the post from our local Uber parents..
125 posted on 07/24/2006 8:35:20 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Gabz
Yes, it is a tragic accident. However there is no way of knowing it "could" have been prevented. The mirror could very well have fallen on someone else, possibly the child's mother if there location had been reversed.

There is not enough information provided to determine who, if anyone is at fault here.

The Mom was at least 5 feet away according to the article. If she'd had the 3 yr old beside her.........

And that makes it more of a heartbreak.

126 posted on 07/24/2006 8:36:03 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PattonFan
Kidnappings have occurred at Wal-Mart, muggings have occurred at Wal-Mart. It is not OK to leave a child unattended just because this is the USA.

True. But walking with your child 5 feet away is far from leaving the child unattended.

127 posted on 07/24/2006 8:36:31 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: PattonFan
No one has said they were happy about the incident...

True. But some did show immediate concern for Walmart's rising prices and falling profits, which is creepy, IMO.

129 posted on 07/24/2006 8:38:31 AM PDT by two134711
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To: N3WBI3; Darkchylde
I am to assume then that at Church or the park you never let your kid get more than 5 ft away?

There are mirrors, racks of clothes and stock piled above your head at those places? Who knew?

130 posted on 07/24/2006 8:39:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Skooz; Darkchylde
If he wasn't playing, he must have been doing something constructive at the age of 3, right?

False Dichotomy: You are stating either he was reading war and piece or he was running around playing... Maybe, just maybe he was looking at a toy near the Mirror, maybe taking it off the shelf but not in a manner that is 'playing'.

What control did she have of WalMart?!

The question could be asked what control does walmart have over how well it secures heavy objects in its kids department

Fact is we don't know who's, if anyones, fault this it. Freak accidents happen, even to perfect parents like you be careful in what you boast because, Lord forbid, someday you or someone you love might need a compassionate friend after such an accident..

131 posted on 07/24/2006 8:39:40 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: linn37
The child should be safe in the child's department area of any store. Its Walmarts job to make sure of that.
You are saying it is Walmarts job to ensure the safety of every child in the child's department of ANY store?

Next, parents will be suing Walmart to provide graham crackers and milk because little johnny got hungry while in the child's department..

132 posted on 07/24/2006 8:39:58 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: two134711
In my post I described two possible scenarios: a) the child caused the mirror to fall and b) the mirror mounting failed while the child was under it. You suggested a third, that someone else hit the mirror and it fell. The whole point is that something caused the mirror to fall. The police report did say the child was playing near the mirror. Only once the actual cause of the falling mirror is clearly established can blame be accurately applied. But the possible nature of the falling mirror can be ascribed to discrete categories.

And I agree about having ample room and clutter free ailses. That's one reason why I typically avoid my local Wal Mart.

133 posted on 07/24/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: silverleaf
Actually what we need to do is build new cabinets. They are cheap ones the former owner put in. I just didn't expect the drawer to practically jump at him. I have two witnesses (his older siblings) who both said he never touched it. Weird things just happen around our house sometimes. Ugh!

At this time I want to mention the three year old who was playing near the mirror. Playing near a mirror could consist of making faces in it. Playing near a mirror could be playing on the floor next to it. The article is not specific enough. A few weeks ago we bought a new washer. Since the store wasn't very big and was empty we had our boys wait on the couches in front of the store. I turned away for a few seconds at a time (yes, I must be a bad parent) and would check back. When they were out of eyesight I panicked for a second. They were on the checkered carpet jumping from square to square. The manager at the store was impressed that three boys could be so quiet and well behaved as long as they were. My point being that the phrase "playing" wasn't specific enough.

134 posted on 07/24/2006 8:41:14 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Warren_Piece

Excellent post.


135 posted on 07/24/2006 8:41:36 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Your right, the mother is worse than Andrea Yates and should be drawn and quartered. 5 feet away is a whole 58 inches and that's too damn much to let a tike out of reach. Do you wrap your kids in bubble tape every time you leave the house? Ah..another contrarian Freeper wanting to argue the world's flat. Your assertion is idiotic, I'd drop it.


136 posted on 07/24/2006 8:43:11 AM PDT by lwg8tr
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To: Skooz
I HAVE to agree that 5 feet is very close!
AND...as far as someone suggesting that 3 year olds SHOULD be IN the cart...
Well...my 3 year can sort of still fit in the cart...but BARELY...I MEAN BARELY!
He doesn't really care about BEING in the cart...but trying to get in it usually causes tears.
His legs are just too long...(and in case ANYONE wants to suggest that he is TOO FAT...he is 43 inches tall and weighs 43 pounds)

That being said..there have been many, MANY times when my kids have been farther than 5 feet away from me. (GASP!!)
If I stop to look at candles or plants or WHATEVER, and they ask if they can go "over here" (still in sight) to look at the comic books, or the cartoon beach towels, or the fish OR WHATEVER I will certainly let them as long as I can see them and HEAR THEM~
If they are being well behaved they are allowed to walk away from the cart to look at "stuff"...if not...they have to have a hand on the cart.
You are SO right about the mom having a reasonable expectation about heavy fixtures..
I CERTAINLY have that same expectation.

I really LIKE Walmart..our local store is just fine. It isn't what you would call "very nice" or anything..but it is NO DIFFERENT than going to a grocery store.

I am so very sad for this family.
I would hope that as these people decide to criticize the parents or Walmart or the child...that they first stop to at least mutter a prayer of support for the family. Or at least, a bit of thanks that it wasn't them.
137 posted on 07/24/2006 8:43:19 AM PDT by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: DJ MacWoW; Darkchylde
LOL, ever hear of Stairs, Candles, Crosses (Some of which hang and are rather large)? You seriously think because its a church there are not things there a kid could do to hurt themselves?
138 posted on 07/24/2006 8:44:05 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: two134711; All
Well, OK, some of us have shown immediate empathy for Walmart, but both sides seem to have legitimate points.

I'm going to have to work a bit now, if I don't get back to anyone for awhile, its not because I cant stand the heat..

139 posted on 07/24/2006 8:44:22 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: Mr.Atos; Minutemen
I hate to inform you, but Starbucks would not exist if not for lefties swilling $4 cups of that coffee.
And the insane Left hates WalMart more than the logging industry and Starbucks combined.
Oh, the irony.
140 posted on 07/24/2006 8:44:23 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Pure Country
WalMart is definitely at fault. You are assuming that the child did something. Not necessarily. My sympathies go to the parents of the child. Great negligence on the part of Wal-Mart.

You are assuming negligence on the part of Wal-Mart. Not necessarily. It is possible it was just a freak accident and NO ONE is at fault.

There is not enough information to lay blame or negligence on any party involved, be it the parent, the child or WalMart.

NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.

141 posted on 07/24/2006 8:44:42 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
" Yes, it is a tragic accident. However there is no way of knowing it "could" have been prevented. The mirror could very well have fallen on someone else, possibly the child's mother if there location had been reversed.

There is not enough information provided to determine who, if anyone is at fault here."

Absolutely you are right..
If the mirror was secured but the child was playing ON IT..then that is one scenario..
If the child was just standing there and the mirror randomly FELL on the child..then that is another.

You are right, there IS NOT enough information here to make any judgment as to fault.

There IS enough information to feel some compassion for the family with a dead kid!

Just wanted to bump up your comment...
142 posted on 07/24/2006 8:46:19 AM PDT by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: Skooz
Most of us call that "tagging along with mom while she shops at WalMart."

At 3?!

Nope. You said: "It is NOT safe to let a child wander off in an environment that you have no control over."

The child did not "wonder off." He was FIVE FEET AWAY. That's why your make believe scenario has nothing to do with this case.

I call 5 ft wandering off. If the child had been by Mom, that 5 ft would have saved his life. Mom has NO control of WalMart and it's environs. She only has control over her children. I take it you're a younger parent. I'm 56 and remember being under control in a store. I raised my kids the same way.

If a 3 year old can pull it over, then, no, it wasn't secured.

If he could pull it over, Mom wasn't watching him, was she.

Baseless assumption.

Is it?

143 posted on 07/24/2006 8:47:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: N3WBI3

After 35 years in imaging in a Level 1 Pediatric hospital, and moonlighting work for the county coroner, you have not a clue. We just direct those grieving parents to 'that room down the hall.'


144 posted on 07/24/2006 8:47:15 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: FearlessFreep

"next thing all places of business will have to do is put disclaimers on their mirrors."

This mirror doesn't break when you look in it and scsre it, it flattens you!


145 posted on 07/24/2006 8:49:16 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: DancingMyRainbow

When I go to WalMart, my three-year-old is in the seat of the cart, and my five-year-old is in the basket.

My Wife gets the stuff we came for in the second cart.

WalMart's just too crazy to hope that someone won't plow a cart into my Sons from around a corner. Let all the other kids run rampant, I'll keep mine safe in their little buggy with me.


146 posted on 07/24/2006 8:49:33 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: DJ MacWoW
The Mom was at least 5 feet away according to the article. If she'd had the 3 yr old beside her.........

And if you paid attention to my comment, that you quoted, had the positions been reversed the mirror could just as well fallen on mom. Or if they were all together, on all of them.

As I said - there is not enough information to point fingers of blame at anyone here.

147 posted on 07/24/2006 8:49:52 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: HIDEK6
I'm speaking on behalf of all the mirrors out there. My father was a mirror, and it's unfair of you to automatically pin the blame on mirrors. This is reflective profiling.

Being 5 feet away from your kid is nothing, and the employee who set up that mirror should be fired. Big Bad Wal-Mart will be paying up.
148 posted on 07/24/2006 8:50:14 AM PDT by justt bloomin ("Political correctness is really the only form of hate speech." Mike Adams, UNC-W)
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To: Westlander
After 35 years in imaging in a Level 1 Pediatric hospital, and moonlighting work for the county coroner, you have not a clue.

As someone who has had family lose a baby to a freak accident I can tell you that you have no clue. In addition to my own kids I have over a dozen nieces and nephews and have seen them will their way through most any preventative measure thrown at them if they wanted something badly enough.

Maybe all that work has seriously jaded any compassion you might have had, and thats truely a terrible thing.

149 posted on 07/24/2006 8:50:41 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: dc27
"When I go to Home Depot, I try and leave the kids at home. If I must go, I keep them glued to my side. Too much stuff that could fall and the forklifts. However, going to Walmart, I am not as protective. I don't let them out of my sight. I just don't walk through the door thinking that something could kill them inside the store."

ME TOO!!!
(and I get looks all the time for being a "mean parent")
My kids are allowed to "go look at stuff" as long as they are BEING GOOD..and I can still see and hear them.
150 posted on 07/24/2006 8:51:26 AM PDT by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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