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Bill Press gets taken in by Lovenstein IQ hoax
billpresssshow.com ^ | July 18, 2006 | Bill Press

Posted on 07/25/2006 1:02:53 PM PDT by lowbridge

From the page of Bill Press' podcast website:

July 18, 2006 Parting Shot

Nate wrote this at 8:56 am:

In six years in the White House, George W. Bush has screwed up so many things, you have to wonder: Is he unlucky or incompetent?

Well, now we know.

Thanks to the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania, which just released a study of the IQ of twelve American presidents, over the last 50 years. And the results are – well, not surprising.

The average IQ of six Republican presidents – Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 – was 115.5. President Nixon topped the list, at 155.

The average IQ of six Democratic presidents – Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton – was 156. With President Clinton leading the class at 182.

The smartest president of the last 50 years?

You guessed it: Bill Clinton, with his 182 IQ.

The least intelligent president of the last 50 years?

You guessed it again: George W. Bush, with his rock bottom IQ of 91: seven points lower than his Daddy.

So now we know. Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Social Security, Medicare, Stem Cells, FEMA, the deficit, immigration…

The reason George Bush has screwed up in so many areas the last six years.

He’s not just incompetent. He’s just plain dumb – the dumbest president in the last 50 years. And, probably, the dumbest president ever!

That’s my parting shot for today. I’m Bill Press.

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(Yes, his article also accepts readers comments)

Also archived on google

Be sure to get screen caps before he censors it! :-)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: billpress; billpressisdumb; bush; dopeydems; dumberthanarockpress; hoax; iq; lovenstein; owned; presidents; pwnd; topten
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To: Echo Talon

Well i took the test and failed

actually i think i did pretty good until i got to the end and saw they wanted my email. Then i remembered i had taken the test some time ago and did not get a score because i dont give out my email for no reason. So, just as before i did all that thinking for nothing. I guess if i had an IQ over 100, i would have remembered the test from before


151 posted on 07/25/2006 8:30:57 PM PDT by cmet
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To: Echo Talon

Yeah, a guy who does not know what "is" is.

Real bright!

And 125 would be about right. Hillary pulled him up that high.


152 posted on 07/25/2006 8:34:11 PM PDT by Prost1 (We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
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To: cmet

you vould have just put in a false email like bilboma4884@aol.com or something...


153 posted on 07/25/2006 8:49:15 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Prost1

lol


154 posted on 07/25/2006 8:49:52 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Reactionary
An IQ of 125 is nearly two full standard deviations above the average Caucasian IQ of 100.

Anyone with any understanding of IQ distribution knew this "study" was a raving idiocy at the time it was published.

IQ scales vary from test to test. The only way to make sense of the score is to look at the percentile ranking a test's score represents. If you look at the entry requirements for organisations like Mensa, you will see different score requirements depending on the test. They require one to be in the 98% percentile on any of their approved tests.

155 posted on 07/25/2006 9:00:36 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle
"IQ scales vary from test to test."

Is that so? Tell me, which "tests vary?"

Does the WAIS vary with the Stanford-Binet? Or does Mensa use astrology to measure IQ?

156 posted on 07/25/2006 9:42:57 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: MikeA
"And Gore flunked out of a Divinity School Master's program. That's the media's genius golden boy for you."

Our boy Bonehead also worked as a golden boy reporter in Nam where his main accomplishment was inspecting his rifle by looking down the barrel (as per a famous photo). Then back in the States, he worked as a crack reporter for a Nashville newspaper (as I recall) where he did an investigative piece with information fed to him by a source named Erog Trebla (he didn't figure out that some darned old mean Pubbie had tricked him until after the story ran).

Of course, all of this was caused by his traumatic childhood of living in the Biltmore Hotel by night and chopping, stripping and hanging tobacco by day.

Fortunately, the ever resilient one recovered enough gray matter to invent the Internet, become a professor at the Columbia School of Journalism, and produce a cutting-edge scientific crocumentary movie.

And to think, had the Democraps only managed to manufacture a few more dimpled, hanging chads, this genius would have become president.

157 posted on 07/25/2006 10:03:06 PM PDT by Zakeet (All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance)
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To: Reactionary
Does the WAIS vary with the Stanford-Binet? Or does Mensa use astrology to measure IQ?

Yes indeed. They all have different (slightly in some cases) scales so the only way to compare is to go by the percentile for a given score for that test.

Saying something like "my IQ is 123" is meaningless unless the test used is known. This is a popular misconception about IQ scores.

158 posted on 07/26/2006 3:21:17 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Echo Talon
Clinton certainly has a facile mind; he's incredibly glib and seems to understand and grasp concepts easily. He's clearly intellectually lazy and not particularly given to reflection. It's his character that bothers me. It would not be true to say that his character borders on the pathological; it's clearly crossed the border and is somewhere south of Vera Cruz and heading further south.

Gore, otoh, is ponderous and exhibits the tendency of people who struggle with basic concepts to cleave tenaciously to some single insight and inflate it all out of portion, drawing unwarranted and unsound conclusions. IOW, he is a natural bore cultivated to monumental status by a fawning media. He is a weak and opportunistic character.

President Bush can be painfully inarticulate, but he is certainly above average in intelligence, while hardly a genius. He would have been modestly successful in his own right, but would have been very unlikely to have aspired to high political office except for his heritage. His one outstanding trait is his character. I believe he puts principle before ambition, and never weighs his own interest, but always tries to advance the right, as it is given to him to see it. What more can we ask for?
159 posted on 07/26/2006 3:40:09 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: lowbridge

This guy is so stupid. Talk about old news - I had forgotten about this hoax. And now he writes an article in 2006 on it again? LOL - how ironic he does this in an attempt to question the President's intelligence and demonstrates himself to be the one that is stupid.


160 posted on 07/26/2006 3:43:26 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Dilbert56

Yes. LOL. That's exactly the message I just sent to him with a link to the snopes findings. "You did not succeed in your attempt to expose the President as stupid, and, indeed, you exposed your own apparent lack of intelligence. This was exposed as a hoax five years ago."


161 posted on 07/26/2006 3:50:42 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: lowbridge
Big bucks big bucks no whammys!

Oh, too bad, Bill. Give Joe Lieberman our best though.

The Lovenstein Institute at work.

162 posted on 07/26/2006 3:52:34 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Mr. Lucky

I used the web form.


163 posted on 07/26/2006 3:54:45 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Dr.Deth

LOL.

It's sad the host of that show died in a plane crash earlier this year.


164 posted on 07/26/2006 3:58:57 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: DBrow

"Ah, yes. I know people with that and it even clouds their ability at work."

I have worked with people like that. One lasted only one month before I ran him off the jobsite. Nothing but HATEBUSHHATEBUSHBUSHISSTUPIDNOWARFOROIL...... And this bozo claims to be an engineer? I wound up having to fix 3/4's of what little work he did. I will say one thing for the dude, he would have fit in well in Minnesota.


165 posted on 07/26/2006 4:07:04 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Zakeet

And isn't it funny how Dems. claim Bush never had any success or made anything of himself before becoming president. Bush was the successful owner of a profitable baseball franchise and came into the White House a millionaire with his own money, not daddy's. What was Gore ever other than a hack politician??


166 posted on 07/26/2006 8:15:50 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA
What was Gore ever other than a hack politician??

Let's see. How about war hero, tobacco farmer, investigative reporter, environmental scientist and inventor of the Internet for starters?

And while we're at it, what was Bubba Clinton ever other than a hack politician, or Hitlery Clinton, or Lurch Kerry, or any of the Kennedy's, or Johnson, or any other Dempcrap presidential candidate for the past century? The only one I can think of who ever had a paying job was Give'em-Hell Harry, and he sold men's suits off the rack. Not exactly a great legacy, is it?

This seems to explain why the Democraps are so eager to give away money wrung out of the working class. They have no concept of gainful employment, let alone owning a business.

167 posted on 07/26/2006 8:44:05 AM PDT by Zakeet (All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance)
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To: Cementjungle
"They all have different (slightly in some cases) scales so the only way to compare is to go by the percentile for a given score for that test."

There are only two generally recognised IQ tests that are used for adults. Those tests are the Stanford-Binet and the WAIS. Both tests do not vary in any meaningful way concerning what they are designed to measure, namely "g" or general intelligence.

168 posted on 07/26/2006 9:15:30 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: lafroste
How many people do you really know with an IQ of 92?

More than you think. 100 is average -- you should know as many folks with 92 as you do with 108.

It generally takes scores into the lower 80s and below to be truly mentally challenged.

169 posted on 07/26/2006 9:22:16 AM PDT by kevkrom (Posting snarky comments so you don't have to)
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To: samadams2000

But you repeat yourself. :)


170 posted on 07/26/2006 10:07:19 AM PDT by liberte
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To: Rocky
Didn't you use this "Lovenstein Institute" in one of your spam spoofs?

Yes I did. I was Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein and I snuck in references to Marcus Welby and the movie Its a Mad, Mad, Mad World. :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171051/posts

171 posted on 07/26/2006 4:39:29 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: techcor
Awww. It's been pulled.

But archived on google. :-) Get screen caps while you still can! :-)

172 posted on 07/26/2006 4:58:13 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
But archived on google. :-) Get screen caps while you still can! :-)
173 posted on 07/26/2006 5:05:52 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Press pulled his own post!!!

He's going to go blind if he keeps doing that.

174 posted on 07/26/2006 5:18:44 PM PDT by SunTzuWu (Hans Delbruck - Scientist and Saint.)
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To: TMD

Hey Bro, I think we're related.


175 posted on 07/26/2006 5:24:14 PM PDT by Balata
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To: coconutt2000
Just wait until he uses the defense, "It may be fake, but I believe it is 100% accurate."

This is the EXACT defense almost every liberal gives once they learn that they have been taken in by the lovenstein hoax. I've seen it happen dozens of times on message boards and blogs.

"Well, it may be a hoax, but its still close to the truth!"

176 posted on 07/26/2006 5:33:15 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL!

Now, that is funny!


177 posted on 07/26/2006 5:36:38 PM PDT by Balata
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To: coconutt2000
Bill just proved that he's as gullible as every other pseudo intellectual

The number one requirement to be a Democrat is to be gullible.

178 posted on 07/26/2006 5:41:28 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Freee-dame

Bill has/had a great memory and that was it.

No understanding the data, just memorized it.


179 posted on 07/26/2006 5:43:47 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: lowbridge

The link at the top of your post no longer works. Has this been pulled?


180 posted on 07/26/2006 6:04:51 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: outofsalt
The link at the top of your post no longer works. Has this been pulled?

Yes it has been pulled, but its archived on google.

181 posted on 07/26/2006 6:40:37 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: lowbridge

Ah, behold the Google cache! :-)


182 posted on 07/26/2006 6:48:01 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: lowbridge
In July 2006, issuing his first-ever presidential veto, Bush insisted there was no need for further research with embryonic stem cells because adult stem cells could do the trick. Wrong again. True, adult stem cells are very valuable, and are being used to treat some forms of cancer and certain bone and blood disorders. But because they are already fully formed, they have very limited applicability. Only embryonic stem cells have the capacity to form whatever tissues — lung, kidney, heart or liver — medical scientists need to work on a cure.

This is his latest piece of filth. Does this guy ever do any research before he writes?

183 posted on 07/26/2006 7:09:01 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Freee-dame

Yes. He is great at politics.


184 posted on 07/26/2006 7:35:28 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I'm sick of the media leaks & lies. God Bless America.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Does this guy ever do any research before he writes?

I doubt it :-)

185 posted on 07/26/2006 8:41:36 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: lowbridge

I was suspicious of this when it came out, for the simple reason that Clinton's IQ was EXACTLY twice Bush's IQ.

After I found out that it was a hoax, I watched an episode of Seinfeld where it was Elaine's birthday, and George and Jerry were both giving her cash. Jerry told George not to give her more than half of what he was giving her. George gave her $91 and Jerry gave her, you guessed it, $182.

When I saw that I felt like Chaz Pallminteri at the end of "The Usual Suspects".


186 posted on 08/02/2006 2:26:19 PM PDT by murdoog
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