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Israel 'using chemical weapons' [Lebanese doctor "accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs"]
News.Com.AU | July 27,2006 | From correspondents in Beirut

Posted on 07/27/2006 3:31:44 AM PDT by yankeedame

Israel 'using chemical weapons'

From correspondents in Beirut
27-07-2006

From: Reuters

 

LEBANON is investigating reports from doctors that Israel has used weapons in its 15-day-old bombardment of southern Lebanon that have caused wounds they have never seen before. "We are sending off samples tomorrow, but we have no confirmation yet that illegal weapons have been used," Health Minister Mohammed Khalife said.

The Israeli army said it had used only conventional weapons and ammunition in attacks aimed at Hezbollah guerrillas and nothing contravening international law.

Blackened bodies have been showing up at hospitals in southern Lebanon two weeks into the war between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas that has seen at least 418 people, mostly civilians, killed in Lebanon and at least 42 Israelis.

Killed by Israeli air raids, the Lebanese dead are charred in a way local doctors, who have lived through years of civil war and Israeli occupation, say they have not seen before.

Bachir Cham, a Belgian-Lebanese doctor at the Southern Medical Centre in Sidon, received eight bodies after an Israeli air raid on nearby Rmeili which he said exhibited such wounds.

He has taken 24 samples from the bodies to test what killed them. He believes it is a chemical.

Dr Cham said the bodies of some victims were "black as shoes, so they are definitely using chemical weapons. They are all black but their hair and skin is intact so they are not really burnt. It is something else".

"If you burnt someone with petrol their hair would burn and their skin would burn down to the bone. The Israelis are 100 per cent using chemical weapons."

Lebanese President Emile Lahoud has repeatedly accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs in its offensive.

Human Rights Watch, which has accused the Israeli army of using cluster bombs in populated areas of southern Lebanon, said it had not verified claims that Israel had used phosphorus.

"We are investigating but we haven't confirmed anything yet. We have seen phosphorus used before and we have seen it in the artillery stocks of the Israeli army in the north," said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch.

"Phosphorus shells do have a legitimate use in illuminating the battlefield at night. The offensive use of phosphorus would be a violation of international conventions."

Television footage shows some bodies, such as those of 20 civilians killed when an Israeli missile hit the van in which they were fleeing the border village of Marwaheen, blackened in the way Dr Cham describes. No one knows what killed them.

"We are seeing abnormal burns, different from wars we've seen in the past. The corpses of these victims are shrinking to half their normal size. You think it is the corpse of a child at first but it turns out to be a grown man," said Raed Salman Zeinedine, director of Tyre Government Hospital.

"We've never seen anything like it but what the causes are I don't want to speculate. We have no scientific answer."

The Israel Army said it did not target civilians at all.

"We use only weapons and ammunition which will best hit our targets and cause least collateral damage," said army spokesman Captain Jacob Dallal.

"It could be that a body is burned from fire or the force of an explosion, but between that and suggesting we do something illegal under international law are two different things."

 
 



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar

1 posted on 07/27/2006 3:31:45 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

OK, so why don't someone call the cops.


2 posted on 07/27/2006 3:33:05 AM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: yankeedame
More or less the same article here with quite a good discussion.
3 posted on 07/27/2006 3:33:49 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: yankeedame
Libs will FINALLY believe there are WMD in the Middle East!

It was The Jooos all along!

4 posted on 07/27/2006 3:33:57 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: yankeedame
The Israelis are 100 per cent using chemical weapons.

Technically, any explosive compound is a chemical.

Human Rights Watch, which has accused the Israeli army of using cluster bombs in populated areas....

That's where they work best......in clusters.

The corpses of these victims are shrinking to half their normal size. You think it is the corpse of a child at first but it turns out to be a grown man.....

This may explain why so many of the casualties are reported as children.

5 posted on 07/27/2006 3:45:09 AM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: yankeedame

In Okinawa the U.S. used flame throwers to kill suicidal Japanese holed up in underground bunkers.

The Islraelis should use poison gas and falme throwers to rout these Hezebollah rats out their burrows.

Complaininig about using these kinds of weapons on creatures like the Hezebollah murderers is utter nonensense.


6 posted on 07/27/2006 4:04:01 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: yankeedame
...we have no confirmation yet that illegal weapons have been used," Health Minister Mohammed Khalife said.

Surprising objectivity.

7 posted on 07/27/2006 4:04:35 AM PDT by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: yankeedame
...the war between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas that has seen at least 418 people, mostly civilians...

Earth to Reuters: Terrorists don't wear uniforms! And Hezbollah is certainly NOT going to tell you they've had 1,283 (whatever) DRT (Dead Right There) terrorists comrades.

8 posted on 07/27/2006 4:08:28 AM PDT by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: yankeedame
"Phosphorus shells do have a legitimate use in illuminating the battlefield at night. The offensive use of phosphorus would be a violation of international conventions."

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9 posted on 07/27/2006 4:10:07 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: libertylover

The Hezzies have their insidious (CBR) munitions scattered all through a complicit civilian populace .. a conventional, Israeli weapon sets one or more off .. the 'blame' is laid on Israel.


10 posted on 07/27/2006 4:11:00 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: yankeedame
Let me ask a question: The article states "Blackened bodies have been showing up at hospitals in southern Lebanon two weeks into the war between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas that has seen at least 418 people, mostly civilians, killed in Lebanon and at least 42 Israelis."

Now my question, How does one tell the difference between a dead terrorist and a dead civilian when both wear civilian clothing? And if you can't tell, then why cliam they are dead civilians and not dead terrorist?

11 posted on 07/27/2006 4:13:47 AM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: yankeedame
"Lebanese doctor "accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs"

Hizbullah "doctor" spewing out anti-Israeli propaganda?
Non-story.
The hammering of Hizbullah vermin is going to continue unabated sucker.
12 posted on 07/27/2006 4:19:07 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing
"How does one tell the difference between a dead terrorist and a dead civilian when both wear civilian clothing?"

They can't. They simply repeat what Hizbullah tells them as gospel.

"And if you can't tell, then why claim they are dead civilians and not dead terrorist"

That's hate-Israel, hate-America Al Reuters doing its normal pro-terrorist shilling.
Difference is, we now have the conservative blogs/news sites/boards, talk radio, Fox News etc to hammer them when they come up with this BS.
13 posted on 07/27/2006 4:25:10 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: yankeedame

When does a bomb become a chemical bomb? It is my understanding that a phosphorus bomb is an incendiary device, and that it uses a chemical to start a fire. It doesn't use chemical interactions with human physiology to kill, which is the usual definition of a chemical weapon.

Similarly, a conventional high explosive bomb uses chemicals to create an explosion. This is not a chemical weapon, just because it uses chemicals.

Ain't none of them nice bombs, however.


14 posted on 07/27/2006 4:33:27 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: yankeedame

He never assumed they might be Hez weapons?


15 posted on 07/27/2006 4:48:06 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: wolfcreek
This is a classic case of fuel air bomb explosion.
16 posted on 07/27/2006 5:10:45 AM PDT by man from mars
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing
Now my question, How does one tell the difference between a dead terrorist and a dead civilian when both wear civilian clothing? And if you can't tell, then why cliam they are dead civilians and not dead terrorist?

They're all civilians. Some are innocent civilians, and some are criminal terrorist civilians. Differentiating between the two types of civilians is very difficult.

Omlettes and eggs.

17 posted on 07/27/2006 5:11:26 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: yankeedame
The corpses of these victims are shrinking to half their normal size.

Bravo Sierra.

18 posted on 07/27/2006 5:30:42 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

Well approximately one-third are little kids, according to most published reports from a variety of sources. The photos of the mass burials show shorter coffins, for the children, and they seem to number about one-third of the burials.

While there is no guarantee that a child under 10 is not a terrorist, the majority are likely to be just kids killed accidently.


19 posted on 07/27/2006 5:49:02 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: yankeedame

Just out of curiosity, what would the combustion products be from secondary explosions when a rocket stash was hit? I'd think there'd be some similarity to willie pete. My bet is that rocket propellant residue is what will be found.


20 posted on 07/27/2006 6:17:59 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupation does not cause terrorism; terrorism causes occupation. (A. Dershowitz))
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To: All

The more dead Lebanese the better for the propaganda of the Islamic terrorists. I really wouldn't put it past them to lob a few of their own bombs into Lebanon. They have absolutely no remorse when it comes to murdering their own for the overall good of their sacred jihad.


21 posted on 07/27/2006 6:31:02 AM PDT by Elyse
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To: gridlock

Exactly. It's a "Willy Pete" (White Phosphorous) round. It generate extreme heat. This is not a WMD.


22 posted on 07/27/2006 6:31:08 AM PDT by goodform
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To: GonzoGOP; yankeedame
N.B.: Phosphorus is used as a smoke round, not an illumination round. Phosphorus can also be used to ignite munitions and other supplies that burn.

Magnesium is used for illumination.

Because phosphorus burns, it does provide some illumination at night, until the smoke cloud covers it.

I would suggest we are seeing casualties generated here by burning Hezboobo munitions (phosphorus, rocket motors, etc.).
23 posted on 07/27/2006 6:39:50 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: EricT.

Yeah, the bones are shrinking...IIIIIIIMMMMMMM MEEEELTTTING...


24 posted on 07/27/2006 6:40:55 AM PDT by Edgerunner (The WOT will not be won without Iran and Syria going down)
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To: gridlock

"The corpses of these victims are shrinking to half their normal size."

Simple! These chemical bombs must contain alum.


What's the old joke about convincing your girlfriend to use alum and Kentucky Fried Chicken batter? Make it up tight and finger licking good?


25 posted on 07/27/2006 6:42:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: EricT.

I would think that bodies have a tendency to do that when they become "crispy critters". It's a matter of the water evaporating off.


26 posted on 07/27/2006 6:42:56 AM PDT by MinstrelBoy (Welfare shouldn't be a career choice.)
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To: fireforeffect
I would suggest we are seeing casualties generated here by burning Hezboobo munitions (phosphorus, rocket motors, etc.).

Yup; that was my first thought, too!

Dang! If the RATS are holed up in their OWN 'weapon' bunker, when it goes, THEY will be the ones affected by THEIR own weapons!

27 posted on 07/27/2006 7:00:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: yankeedame
Killed by Israeli air raids, the Lebanese dead are charred in a way local doctors, who have lived through years of civil war and Israeli occupation, say they have not seen before.

Stupid dumb crap. If it is really something they never saw before maybe they should check and see what munitions the terrorist have that we are blowing up in the raids. Damn, what pure a@@holes.

28 posted on 07/27/2006 8:13:26 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: yankeedame

We were taught in basic to use Willie Pete on anything flamable. Have the Geneva rules changed in the last 20 years?


29 posted on 07/27/2006 8:23:08 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "Nothing smells like security like gun smoke.")
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To: yankeedame
"Israel 'using chemical weapons'"

More Hezbollah/Jihadstinian/allahu fubar lies. They lie so much its a wonder they don't all have noses like Pinocchio!
30 posted on 07/27/2006 9:00:55 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: yankeedame

Another bunch of idiots spouting off about something they know absolutely nothing about.

Cluster bombs, WP, FAEs... all are conventional munitions. Next thing you know, the reaction will be: "(GASP!) We have evidence that the Israelis have actually used REAL BULLETS!"


31 posted on 07/27/2006 9:59:37 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: yankeedame

BTW, is it just me or do the 'human rights' in "Human Rights Watch" only apply to terrorists, thugs, criminals and dictators?

I guess the rest of us just don't need human rights.


32 posted on 07/27/2006 10:01:59 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: yankeedame
Lebanese President Emile Lahoud has repeatedly accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs in its offensive.

This is the problem with stupid leaders and stupid journalists.

White Phosphorus is an incindiary and normal round.
Phosgene is a chemical weapon. Both have phosphorus in them.

People need to be more specific. Of course the MSN will play this so as to display the IDF in the worst possible light.

33 posted on 07/27/2006 10:06:11 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (You can't qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it-Sherman)
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To: yankeedame

This "so-called" doctor has his head so far up his a$$ he could chew his food and s**t from the same orfice! Willie Pete (WP) does not cause burns of this type.


34 posted on 07/27/2006 11:17:05 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: yankeedame

IslamoBS


35 posted on 07/27/2006 11:41:26 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: Panzerlied
"This "so-called" doctor has his head so far up his a$$ he could chew his food and s**t from the same orfice! Willie Pete (WP) does not cause burns of this type."

Dude needs a plexiglass window in his belly button for navigation. IIRC, W.P. burns holes through just about anything it touches (certainly anything organic), including flesh and bones.

Intense heat will cause a body to shrink as described; once saw a body like that, still standing, in the doorway of a C-130 that burned to the ground after crashing in the desert...

If the flames don't touch the body, the hair and clothing will still be more or less intact.
36 posted on 07/27/2006 2:39:47 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: worst-case scenario
Well approximately one-third are little kids, according to most published reports from a variety of sources. The photos of the mass burials show shorter coffins, for the children, and they seem to number about one-third of the burials.

While there is no guarantee that a child under 10 is not a terrorist, the majority are likely to be just kids killed accidently.

There is also no assurance that there is a child inside the coffin. And even if there is, I would hold the one who started the war responsible for the death of those children, not the ones who were attacked.

37 posted on 07/28/2006 7:35:07 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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